A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[HMF]

That was Lucasfilm's decision, right from when George wanted to start making movies again and being decided about a year before the buyout. It had just become too big to manage and all the spots on the map filled in. And even before that, the writing was on the wall when the CG Clone Wars started overwriting EU stories.

What we have now with Lucasfilm Story Group and the new continuity is a greater effort to keep things coordinated, cohesive and interconnected across different media. Story crumbs introduced in comics before being brought into films and television. We just had a character introduced in a cartoon show up in a movie. And while the old EU is ended, you have bits and pieces being reintroduced and brought into new stories.

I agree that it's managed better today. What should have happened is the story group should have gone through all the EU sources and decide what was canon and what was not rather than throwing the whole thing out. Of course what really should have happened is the Story Group should have started in 1991 if not 1977.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I agree that it's managed better today. What should have happened is the story group should have gone through all the EU sources and decide what was canon and what was not rather than throwing the whole thing out. Of course what really should have happened is the Story Group should have started in 1991 if not 1977.

Part of the motivation behind the reset is that the core six movies and the CG Clone Wars series together represents "George's Star Wars". And while one of the general rules they had for writers before the prequels was "Don't talk about the Clone Wars because George eventually wants to do stuff with that", you still had writers hinting at it in ways that contradicted what George would eventually do. Same thing goes for Boba's assorted backstories pre-AOTC and even some really minor stuff like the history of Ackbar's people as discussed in this Twitter chain of Pablo Hidalgo's that talks about how EU stuff was already being overwritten in 1999.

Starting over from the Core Star Wars means that writers now have a fuller picture to build and expand upon, and with an Idea Bag full of the Little Sparks that are ships, characters, planets and concepts from Legends, they can rebuild.

Also, going full Nicean Council over 35 years of endless tie-ins to a space opera is a lot of work and would just slow things down.

 

[Rodan75]

See-Dumping the Expanded Universe.

I somehow doubt he had a hand in that. That is likely all Kennedy's decision. And one, from my perspective, was a good one. I like how they are currently shaping the universe and bringing in the elements from the expanded universe that make sense.

Although I wonder if any of those characters get 'creator' credit like they do with Marvel?

Edit: I see @Tahu has the real deets. =-)

 

[TP2000]

We made the mistake of assuming that Disneyland had cleaned up their act on this stuff last year without thinking about show schedules (we don't need to check them here, as most stuff is just daily throughout the year) and we ended up missing a large portion of DLR's entertainment because of it. Every day, you have the castle show, a day parade, fireworks (and night parade nightly for decades up till MSEP left), you have Fantasmic, Frozen, Beauty and the Beast, Indy Stunt Show, the Star Wars show (previously lights motors action as well), Lion King, FInding Nemo, and all of the EPCOT entertainment. This stuff doesn't have an "off peak", and it doesn't "go dark" during the week even during peak times like Disneyland does.

Just so folks know, those stage shows you sight were counted as an "attraction" for the various park tallies I did last night. Indy Stunt Show, BatB & Frozen were included in the DHS total count of 12 attractions, Lion King and Nemo were included in the DAK total count of 13 attractions, etc..

Fantasmic! is the exception and was not counted as an attraction for DHS, as I'd lump that into "night spectacular" along with the other water shows and fireworks performances. As for Fantasmic! at Disneyland, it has closed for long refurbishments and plussing three times in the last decade, with the Rivers of America drained for refurbishment. This latest Fantasmic! closure is the longest, connected to Star Wars Land construction, but will result in an entirely new show debuting this summer. I will let the artistic merits of Disneyland's multi-refurbished Fantasmic! versus DHS's version of the show go for another thread.

This summer, when Fantasmic! 2.0 opens at Disneyland, and based on the latest news and rumors, here is the daily entertainment schedule for the two properties for parades and major "spectaculars" on water or in sky;

Disneyland Resort (6 differents shows with 9 daily performances)
(DL) Mickey's Soundsational Parade - 3:00pm
(DL) Paint The Night - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DL) Remember Fireworks - 9:30pm
(DL) Fantasmic! - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DCA) Pixar Play Parade - 5:30pm
(DCA) World of Color - 9:00pm & 10:15pm

WDW Resort (6 different shows with 8 daily performances)
(MK) Festival of Fantasy Parade - 3:00pm
(MK) Happily Ever After Fireworks - 9:00pm
(Epcot) IllumiNations - 9:00pm
(DHS) Fantasmic! - 8:00pm & 10:00pm
(DHS) Star Wars Fireworks - 9:00pm
(DAK) Rivers of Light - 8:00pm & 10:00pm

The equity between the two properties is fascinating. And that's after a big expansion push at WDW that has added two new offerings in the last year (DHS pyro and DAK water show). One would think that with four big parks compared to two small parks, the WDW property would be offering at least several additional entertainment options when it comes to parades and night spectaculars.

 

[bcoachable]

Just got this from an undisclosed source; thought I would post it up. I think this place has the potential to really rock!
(I realize there are probably better places to post this, so ahead of time i say sorry, (not sorry))

 

[rushtest4echo]

Just so folks know, those stage shows you sight were counted as an "attraction" for the various park tallies I did last night. Indy Stunt Show, BatB & Frozen were included in the DHS total count of 12 attractions, Lion King and Nemo were included in the DAK total count of 13 attractions, etc..

Fantasmic! is the exception and was not counted as an attraction for DHS, as I'd lump that into "night spectacular" along with the other water shows and fireworks performances. As for Fantasmic! at Disneyland, it has closed for long refurbishments and plussing three times in the last decade, with the Rivers of America drained for refurbishment. This latest Fantasmic! closure is the longest, connected to Star Wars Land construction, but will result in an entirely new show debuting this summer. I will let the artistic merits of Disneyland's multi-refurbished Fantasmic! versus DHS's version of the show go for another thread.

This summer, when Fantasmic! 2.0 opens at Disneyland, and based on the latest news and rumors, here is the daily entertainment schedule for the two properties for parades and major "spectaculars" on water or in sky;

Disneyland Resort (6 differents shows with 9 daily performances)
(DL) Mickey's Soundsational Parade - 3:00pm
(DL) Paint The Night - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DL) Remember Fireworks - 9:30pm
(DL) Fantasmic! - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DCA) Pixar Play Parade - 5:30pm
(DCA) World of Color - 9:00pm & 10:15pm

WDW Resort (6 different shows with 8 daily performances)
(MK) Festival of Fantasy Parade - 3:00pm
(MK) Happily Ever After Fireworks - 9:00pm
(Epcot) IllumiNations - 9:00pm
(DHS) Fantasmic! - 8:00pm & 10:00pm
(DHS) Star Wars Fireworks - 9:00pm
(DAK) Rivers of Light - 8:00pm & 10:00pm

The equity between the two properties is fascinating. And that's after a big expansion push at WDW that has added two new offerings in the last year (DHS pyro and DAK water show). One would think that with four big parks compared to two small parks, the WDW property would be offering at least several additional entertainment options when it comes to parades and night spectaculars.

Except that the majority of WDWs shows are daily throughout the year. None of Disneylands are, and during the off season youre lucky to see half of those. In fact, if you are at Dizneyland 30 days from now on a weekday, only two of those mentioned shows are playing across both parks- which is ridiculous! Besides RoL, everything else is playing that same day at WDW regardless of attendance or hours. RoL will be nightly once its officially open yet Disneylands night shows will go to weekends only or just be mothballed completely outside of peak season. Size isnt really a factor either, Disneyland and MK have comparable attendance and hours, with DCA meeting DHS's numbers as well (for some reason DCAs numbers are the most underestimated in the industry). This applies to parades and stage shows too - 365 days a year at WDW and less than half that for DLR.

 

[SorcererMC]

Whoops that's a 'Career Limiting Move' if I ever heard one...

On the contrary, he could be seeking leverage, and he's not really alleging something that isn't true nor outright attacking Disney quality (he's contrasting it).....so his speech would likely be protected and upheld in court, if he were fired (or the subject of other disciplinary measures). Hypothetically - if Disney fired him and he sought legal recourse, Disney would have to demonstrate that the Yeti is fully functional.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Just got this from an undisclosed source; thought I would post it up. I think this place has the potential to really rock!
(I realize there are probably better places to post this, so ahead of time i say sorry, (not sorry))
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Very pretty.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Just so folks know, those stage shows you sight were counted as an "attraction" for the various park tallies I did last night. Indy Stunt Show, BatB & Frozen were included in the DHS total count of 12 attractions, Lion King and Nemo were included in the DAK total count of 13 attractions, etc..

Fantasmic! is the exception and was not counted as an attraction for DHS, as I'd lump that into "night spectacular" along with the other water shows and fireworks performances. As for Fantasmic! at Disneyland, it has closed for long refurbishments and plussing three times in the last decade, with the Rivers of America drained for refurbishment. This latest Fantasmic! closure is the longest, connected to Star Wars Land construction, but will result in an entirely new show debuting this summer. I will let the artistic merits of Disneyland's multi-refurbished Fantasmic! versus DHS's version of the show go for another thread.

This summer, when Fantasmic! 2.0 opens at Disneyland, and based on the latest news and rumors, here is the daily entertainment schedule for the two properties for parades and major "spectaculars" on water or in sky;

Disneyland Resort (6 differents shows with 9 daily performances)
(DL) Mickey's Soundsational Parade - 3:00pm
(DL) Paint The Night - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DL) Remember Fireworks - 9:30pm
(DL) Fantasmic! - 9:00pm & 10:30pm
(DCA) Pixar Play Parade - 5:30pm
(DCA) World of Color - 9:00pm & 10:15pm

WDW Resort (6 different shows with 8 daily performances)
(MK) Festival of Fantasy Parade - 3:00pm
(MK) Happily Ever After Fireworks - 9:00pm
(Epcot) IllumiNations - 9:00pm
(DHS) Fantasmic! - 8:00pm & 10:00pm
(DHS) Star Wars Fireworks - 9:00pm
(DAK) Rivers of Light - 8:00pm & 10:00pm

The equity between the two properties is fascinating. And that's after a big expansion push at WDW that has added two new offerings in the last year (DHS pyro and DAK water show). One would think that with four big parks compared to two small parks, the WDW property would be offering at least several additional entertainment options when it comes to parades and night spectaculars.

There are also "side acts," such as The Bootstrappers, Royal Street Bachelors, Jambalaya Jazz Band, random games of Musical Chairs, the Disneyland Band, etc. To say entertainment is lacking is just plain wrong.

 

[HMF]

On the contrary, he could be seeking leverage, and he's not really alleging something that isn't true nor outright attacking Disney quality (he's contrasting it).....so his speech would likely be protected and upheld in court, if he were fired (or the subject of other disciplinary measures). Hypothetically - if Disney fired him and he sought legal recourse, Disney would have to demonstrate that the Yeti is fully functional.

Unfortunately, Legally, they could fire him.(and I am sure the fans on the West Coast would throw a party) the rules are different in business than in Government. Most businesses are de-facto dictatorships thus why Iger can be CEO for so damn long and can have the conflict of interest that is being both CEO and Chairman.

 

[SorcererMC]

Unfortunately, Legally, they could fire him.(and I am sure the fans on the West Coast would throw a party) the rules are different in business than in Government. Most businesses are de-facto dictatorships thus why Iger can be CEO for so damn long and can have the conflict of interest that is being both CEO and Chairman.

It would depend on the terms of Rohde's contract. The case law I cited applies to businesses (the US Court of Appeals upheld the ruling of the National Labor Relations Board on protected speech).

ETA: It falls under Section 7 of the Natl Labor Relations Act on Interfering with Employee Rights, which typically is used re: labor unions, but the Natl Labor Relations Board expanded the scope with that 2016 Miklin case. CEO tenure usually falls under Sarbanes-Oxley.

 

[ElreTigo]

Unfortunately, Legally, they could fire him.(and I am sure the fans on the West Coast would throw a party) the rules are different in business than in Government. Most businesses are de-facto dictatorships thus why Iger can be CEO for so damn long and can have the conflict of interest that is being both CEO and Chairman.

Joe isn't leaving. It was a small, non-personal jab at an ongoing, well-known flaw. Nothing dirty or vulgar in his post. No shocking attack toward the company. The public & company alike are both well aware of the issue he was joking about. If Disney is so tight-collared that they can't handle his simple, harmless, yet true comments, well then he deserves better anyway.

 

[ChrisFL]

OK I will agree in general, but WDW's Spcae Mountain (Aside from needing some work done to smooth out the track) has always been the better version.

Completely disagree....I MUCH prefer DL's Space Mountain to WDW's

 

[HMF]

Joe isn't leaving. It was a small, non-personal jab at an ongoing, well-known flaw. Nothing dirty or vulgar in his post. No shocking attack toward the company. The public & company alike are both well aware of the issue he was joking about. If Disney is so tight-collared that they can't handle his simple, harmless, yet true comments, well then he deserves better anyway.

Of course they are not going to fix it.

 

[Travel Junkie]

Except that the majority of WDWs shows are daily throughout the year. None of Disneylands are, and during the off season youre lucky to see half of those. In fact, if you are at Dizneyland 30 days from now on a weekday, only two of those mentioned shows are playing across both parks- which is ridiculous! Besides RoL, everything else is playing that same day at WDW regardless of attendance or hours. RoL will be nightly once its officially open yet Disneylands night shows will go to weekends only or just be mothballed completely outside of peak season. Size isnt really a factor either, Disneyland and MK have comparable attendance and hours, with DCA meeting DHS's numbers as well (for some reason DCAs numbers are the most underestimated in the industry). This applies to parades and stage shows too - 365 days a year at WDW and less than half that for DLR.

I can only assume you are trolling at this point. About 2% of your post is accurate.

 

[BrianLo]

Except that the majority of WDWs shows are daily throughout the year. None of Disneylands are, and during the off season youre lucky to see half of those. In fact, if you are at Dizneyland 30 days from now on a weekday, only two of those mentioned shows are playing across both parks- which is ridiculous! Besides RoL, everything else is playing that same day at WDW regardless of attendance or hours. RoL will be nightly once its officially open yet Disneylands night shows will go to weekends only or just be mothballed completely outside of peak season. Size isnt really a factor either, Disneyland and MK have comparable attendance and hours, with DCA meeting DHS's numbers as well (for some reason DCAs numbers are the most underestimated in the industry). This applies to parades and stage shows too - 365 days a year at WDW and less than half that for DLR.

Now 365 days a year you are privledged to experience one parade, across the entire WDW resort.

 

[NearTheEars]

I counted. Because I'm very, very busy.

Disneyland Resort (Disneyland & DCA) has 77 "Attractions", 55 of which are rides that involve a moving ride vehicle. 16 of those current rides are E Tickets. (E Tickets = Jungle, Indy, Pirates, Mansion, Splash, Thunder, Small World, Matterhorn, Space Mt., Submarines, Star Tours, Soarin', Grizzly, Screamin', Guardians Mission:Breakout, Radiator Springs Racers)

WDW Resort (MK, Epcot, DHS & DAK) has 78 "Attractions, 46 of which are rides that involve a moving ride vehicle. 20 of those current rides are E Tickets. (E Tickets = Jungle, Pirates, Mansion, Splash, Thunder, Small World, Space Mt., Soarin', Energy, Mission: Space, Test Track, Spaceship Earth, Star Tours, Tower of Terror, Rock n' Roller, Great Movie Ride, Everest, Dinosaur, Kali, Kilimanjaro Safari)

You could be generous and count the five World Showcase pavilions that have no theater or ride (UK, Morocco, Japan, Italy, Germany) as an "Attraction", even though they are just a nicely themed courtyard with shops/dining. If you count those five pavilions as separate "Attractions", that gets you to a total of 83 attractions for WDW, compared to Disneyland Resort's 77 attractions.

There are currently six new rides under construction at WDW (Nav'i River Journey, Flight of Passage, Star Wars Ride 1, Star Wars Ride 2, Slinky Dog Dash, Alien Saucer Swirl), and two new rides under construction at Disneyland (Star Wars Ride 1, Star Wars Ride 2).

By 2019 when those rides are completed, that would take the total number of attractions with moving ride vehicles to this total:

Disneyland Resort: 57 Rides, 18 are E Tickets
WDW Resort: 52 Rides, 23 are E Tickets

Or the grand total of attractions, as rides or theater shows, at this total for 2019:

Disneyland Resort: 79 Attractions
WDW Resort: 86 Attractions

This doesn't include major live entertainment in the parks like parades, water shows, and fireworks. Nor does it include minor park entertainment like bands, characters, streetmosphere, or dancing (Disneyland only).

Thanks for breaking that all down!

The glaring difference IMO is that at DLR you can do all of that with just two park admission tickets. And at WDW it takes 4.

Obviously unless you go on a record-breaking park-hopping extravaganza.

 

[Mike S]

OK I will agree in general, but WDW's Spcae Mountain (Aside from needing some work done to smooth out the track) has always been the better version...Also WDW's Splash Mountain is better...but most everything else I will agree is better at Disneyland...

Don't forget Tower of Terror.

Especially now.

Rohde on instagram last night:

The Natural History Museum of London. Where I had the pleasure of seeing a very large animated
figure that worked perfectly well. I'm just saying…
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(I already posted this in the Expedition Everest Effects Watch thread, but adding it here since it seems apropos).

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Uh, No.

Uh, yes.

WDW's Sapace Mountain actually has drops.

Just got this from an undisclosed source; thought I would post it up. I think this place has the potential to really rock!
(I realize there are probably better places to post this, so ahead of time i say sorry, (not sorry))
View attachment 188711

If this music doesn't play as you enter the land, I'm deducting huge points from Disney.

 

[HMF]

WDW's Sapace Mountain actually has drops.

Wonderful, Disneyland's has
*Synchronized on-board audio
*Updated effects
*Super-Smooth Tracks
*The ability to be updated into different versions
Need I go on?

 

[Mike S]

Wonderful, Disneyland's has
*Synchronized on-board audio
*Updated effects
*Super-Smooth Tracks
*The ability to be updated into different versions
Need I go on?

And should WDW's ever get those updates it would clearly be the best one. That's my point and I think anyone else's too.