I am Timmy
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No touching the Tower.
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A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...
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rle4lunch
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Just don't *make* her ride Dinosaur, she'll be disappointed!
Animaniac93-98
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Looks like Eisner never really left the company 
Mike S
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Looks like Eisner never really left the company
Did they go to location though?
matt9112
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Tear the tree house down!!!!!
Sped2424
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They went to england
DDLand
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Or don't!!!!!!!
matt9112
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Waste of space and no direct revenue stream from merch.....boom i just said exactly what the current management team would
Princess Leia
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Nooooooope. I love the treehouse.
DDLand
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I imagine maintenance can be a pain, but it's doing its job. Attracting guests and reinforcing the visuals of Adventureland.Waste of space and no direct revenue stream from merch.....boom i just said exactly what the current management team would
As I always say, instead of destroying an existing attraction that's doing its purpose, build whatever needs to be built on an expansion pad instead.
That's not to say attractions can never be replaced, but when it's something as timeless as exploring a grand treehouse, you don't have to be in the 1970s to appreciate how cool it is.
Addition by addition.
Princess Leia
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Here's what I don't understand: Disneyland has less space but more attractions, while at the Magic Kingdom, it's the opposite. If Disney wanted to add more rides or attractions to MK, they really don't have the excuse of saying there isn't enough space.
Because in Florida Disney got lazy and in doing so turned what Walt called "the blessing of size" into a curse. There's absolutely no logic as to why the rip-and-replace mentality took hold in Florida, but it did. Think about how far one has to walk at Disneyland before encountering an attraction - it seems like it's 2-3x less than at Magic Kingdom. TDO is too busy thinking up the next money grab and where to put the next M&G rather than thinking about adding actual capacity.
DDLand
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I like to say that at the center of Orlando, the heart of their tourism is Walt Disney World. No offense to Universal or the many other options out there, but Walt Disney World helps put it on the map.
What puts Walt Disney World on the map? I'd say the heart of Walt Disney World is Magic Kingdom. It drives Orlando and Disney tourism like no other attraction can.
Of course value is obviously added by the other parks and attractions in Orlando, but Magic Kingdom is truly remarkable. It's in a league of its own with around twice the attendance of its next peers, and that doesn't even factor in millions more guests that park hop in the evening (first clicks tend to happen at the others, and while that might change, that's how it's been).
Even if Disneyland surpasses Magic Kingdom attendance after Star Wars Experience, Magic Kingdom will remain the keystone of the entire Walt Disney World, Disney Vacation Club, and even to an extent Disney Cruise Line.
In terms of sheer value, one park is filling 30 thousand hotel rooms, driving 3 parks to 10 Million+, and selling millions of dollars in real estate.
Magic Kingdom.
The fact they treat it with such disrespect is actually remarkable. It needs massive additions in park capacity, total remakes of several attractions, and several areas need to be rethought.
Disneyland in the last decade has received significant updates to:
1) Matterhorn
2) Big Thunder
3) Peter
4) Alice
5) Space Mountain
6) Outdoor entertainment
And several others too. They're also adding two massive (albeit misplaced [it's fact obviously
]) E Tickets and a new land. Magic Kingdom has received some updates and love here and there, but a more aggressive approach is needed if it wants to keep pace with 21st Century audiences. New Fantasyland was primarily replacing capacity lost earlier.
They need to start asking what's next for Magic Kingdom. They need to build, and not just hubs for Steve's floating projection characters on walls (that arrogant guy is on my dark list), no they need real capacity improvements and diversity of offerings.
Though I guess you could say that about all the parks, so...
Princess Leia
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While I don't think that the Magic Kingdom needs another attraction, there's definitely room for one. However, using the Indiana Jones example, I'd rather an Indy ride go to DHS as that park will need more rides than MK. If Disney ever decides to put a Beauty and the Beast ride at WDW, theoretically, there's space behind Be Our Guest (I'm okay with this going to MK rather than DHS or Epcot). All four of the major 'lands' (Frontier, Adventure, Fantasy, and Tomorrow) could get something new, Disney just needs to spend the money.
Princess Leia
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If I was in charge of Disney World, this is what I would add:I like to say that at the center of Orlando, the heart of their tourism is Walt Disney World. No offense to Universal or the many other options out there, but Walt Disney World helps put it on the map.
What puts Walt Disney World on the map? I'd say the heart of Walt Disney World is Magic Kingdom. It drives Orlando and Disney tourism like no other attraction can.
Of course value is obviously added by the other parks and attractions in Orlando, but Magic Kingdom is truly remarkable. It's in a league of its own with around twice the attendance of its next peers, and that doesn't even factor in millions more guests that park hop in the evening (first clicks tend to happen at the others, and while that might change, that's how it's been).
Even if Disneyland surpasses Magic Kingdom attendance after Star Wars Experience, Magic Kingdom will remain the keystone of the entire Walt Disney World, Disney Vacation Club, and even to an extent Disney Cruise Line.
In terms of sheer value, one park is filling 30 thousand hotel rooms, driving 3 parks to 10 Million+, and selling millions of dollars in real estate.
Magic Kingdom.
The fact they treat it with such disrespect is actually remarkable. It needs massive additions in park capacity, total remakes of several attractions, and several areas need to be rethought.
Disneyland in the last decade has received significant updates to:
1) Matterhorn
2) Big Thunder
3) Peter
4) Alice
5) Space Mountain
6) Outdoor entertainment
And several others too. They're also adding two massive (albeit misplaced [it's fact obviously
Magic Kingdom has received some updates and love here and there, but a more aggressive approach is needed if it wants to keep pace with 21st Century audiences. New Fantasyland was primarily replacing capacity lost earlier.
They need to start asking what's next for Magic Kingdom. They need to build, and not just hubs for Steve's floating projection characters on walls (that arrogant guy is on my dark list), no they need real capacity improvements and diversity of offerings.
Though I guess you could say that about all the parks, so...
Magic Kingdom:
- Fantasyland- Beauty and the Beast ride (though it's got to be more than a book report attraction like Little Mermaid, especially since Enchanted Tales with Belle already covers the basic plot)
- Alice in Wonderland ride (from the videos I've watched, I like Disneyland's)
- Frontierland- Western River Expedition
- Wonders of Life: Inside Out attraction taking over Cranium Command
- Imagination: Replace the ride (again) with trackless tech and Dreamfinder
- Germany: Matterhorn- I know it's Swiss based in Disneyland, but I biked into Austria from Germany 8 years ago, and I can attest that yes, there are mountains in Germany (though the woman at the bike rental place called them 'small rolling hills').
- Japan: Fuji coaster
- Italy: Gondola boat ride
- France: Ratatouille
- Canada: Whitewater raft ride
- Brazil (adding a pavilion here): boat ride through the Amazon rainforest
- Indiana Jones mine cart ride
- Indiana Jones boat ride
- Star Wars peoplemover
- Jungle Book dark ride
UpAllNight
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I think Magic Kingdom could do with a few new attractions for sure, but for me the major issue at the moment is both getting the current line up, up to shape, and updating some of the more dated areas in the park.
Tomorrowland looks great at night, not so much during the day....that passageway that links Fantasyland and Tomorrowland by the Speedway (inc the speedway) is stuck in the 70s.
The old style fascades in fantasyland somehow look even older and stand out like a sore thumb when put against the likes of Disneyland, and Disneyland Paris, and even New Fantasyland. I personally think New Fantasyland is great because it brings up the theming of the land a notch, but it should be extended towards tomorrowland.
Adventureland could do with some more adventure too that's for sure.
Tomorrowland looks great at night, not so much during the day....that passageway that links Fantasyland and Tomorrowland by the Speedway (inc the speedway) is stuck in the 70s.
The old style fascades in fantasyland somehow look even older and stand out like a sore thumb when put against the likes of Disneyland, and Disneyland Paris, and even New Fantasyland. I personally think New Fantasyland is great because it brings up the theming of the land a notch, but it should be extended towards tomorrowland.
Adventureland could do with some more adventure too that's for sure.
rushtest4echo
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I understand that you're upset with "rip-and-replace" and think Disneyland is somehow better in this aspect. But what exactly do you want preserved at WDW that was replaced? Also, you're complaining about how closely spaced apart WDW's attractions are? Have you been to Disneyland lately? I'm very glad that Magic Kingdom (and all other castle parks after Disneyland- and all DIsney parks in general) didn't try to shove everything into Disneyland's tiny footprint. It's not a good thing when Disneyland has Indy's queue dumping over past Jungle Cruise, who's queue is dumping into a gift shop. It's not good that Pirates's queue weaves over into Tarzan's Treehouse, whos queue dumps out into the middle of Adventureland. Fantasyland has lines dumping all over the place too. Same for Tomorrowland- it's not a positive to have Star Tours, Astro Orbiter, and Buzz Lightyear all flooding into the tiny Tomorrowland paths. Even HKDL omitted most of the West Side because of the cluster**** of theming and guest control that Disneyland has due to "how far one has to walk at Disneyland before encountering an attraction". If you're taking about the attraction count, sure I'd like to see a few more rides at Magic Kingdom- but no the DENSITY of Disneyland's attractions is an absolute mess and I'd never want to see Magic Kingdom operate that way.
Magic Kingdom: Tomorrowland has nothing of import to keep around from earlier versions. I hope that they "rip-and-replace" the majority of what's currently there- nothing is really worth saving in the entire land. 20k Leagues is possibly the only thing I see around the entire history of the Magic Kingdom that I'd like to have back- and even then it was removed for good reasons. Mr Toad and Snow White were cute little dark rides that never had a line. Nobody beyond a few diehards even noticed that they disappeared- and most people vastly prefer SDMT and Pooh to their predecessors. Same goes for Mickeys Starland/Birthdayland or whatever.
EPCOT: I won't even go there, except to say that I welcome the IP. Nemo, Frozen Ever After, and 3 Caballeros are all better than the rides that they replaced and are consistently popular now compared to being total afterthoughts before. I loved the Living Seas, but it's time had come. Maelstrom rivaled Superstar Limo in terms of stupidity and "culture" value- glad there's something worth riding there now that families can enjoy. Caballeros is an unquestioned improvement to El Rio as well. The rest of the park though, you'll get no argument from me beyond the fact that Horizons, World of Motion and Energy were hopelessly outdated and unpopular when they closed- and I can't imagine what would have made them relevant again.
Hollywood Studios: The huge removals over the couple of years have made the park no worse except for the loss in capacity. It would have been ridiculous to expand Toy Story Land or Star Wars land into new areas of the park while keeping the animation stuff, streets of America and the garbage tram tour. Glad so see Disney "rip-and-replace" that rubbish that nobody cared for. The only thing back there that was remotely worth of keeping was lights motors action (and even that's iffy). I'm not sure Toy Story Land is going to be much of an upgrade compared to the stuff it's replacing- but that doesn't change the fact that all of the previous stuff needed to be "ripped-and-replaced".
Animal Kingdom: The only thing that's been "ripped-and-replaced" here is Minney Mickey. Lion King went to it's proper land, the character meets moved to a better location, and Avatarland is clearly head and shoulders above anything Minney Mickey offered. Again, I'm very happy that the subpar stuff in Minnie Mickey was replaced and not kept.
Then again, your argument that Disneyland is better doesn't hold any water. All of Tomorrowland at Disneyland has been ripped-and-replaced over and over. New Fantasyland 1983 was rip-and-replace. Thunder Mountain was rip-and-replace. So was Bear Country-to-Critter Country. Then of course there's DCA- more half of the park has been rip-and-replaced and the park is less than 20 years old.
matt9112
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To add however is that disneyland has much more severe and fundamental sight line issues. Disney world IIRC was spaced out in-between rides a bit more on purpose to create slightly better barriers. I say slightly because we all know WDW has sight line issues as well.
CJR
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You speak the truth, however, Disney should have closed backlot tour back in the early to mid-2000's and had an expansion worked out before even TSM came to be. Animation Courtyard should have been overhauled shortly after the studio closed. The tour shouldn't have ever became garbage.
Had they been on top of things back then, the park wouldn't feel like so much is missing today. SWL really should be just another addition to a park that had been growing as it should have been (with the annual price increases).