A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

Absimilliard

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See I take it quite differently. When Disney acquired Lucasfilm Kathleen Kennedy and others were very vocal about how they would protect the franchise from being disneyfied. While this has happened in some degree in other areas it's been a full 180, notice we no longer see the fab five in their star wars robes?

I would imagine that if the l show was not up to the Star Wars standard they would have made sure it got cut. The other issue is what was the shows story, this poses Canon issues, again something Lucasfilm has been about since theyou were acquired. And even if it had nothing to do with Canon for one reason or another Lucasfilm is against face characters at the moment. They are not in meet and greets and I would assume they want to keep them off the park stage as well.

Don't get me wrong I would like to see some fully trained jedi "performers" go at it in the parks, however Lucasfilm seems unwilling to go there just yet, but I don't know/belive that this is profits driven.

The "Continuity" excuse is .... as long as Star Tours: The Adventure Continue still exist. When I last rode it, we jumped from being nearly arrested by Episode IV era stormtroopers to flying around Jakku circa Episode VI... then we jumped to Coruscant circa Episode III. I guess Kathleen Kennedy and her crew don't care about that, but worry about a 2 months show?

If you want to see what the lightsaber fights would have looked like, a video of the training has been posted here: https://androland.com/lucasfilm-fait-supprimer-une-partie-du-spectacle-de-la-saison-de-la-force.html
 

DDLand

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I liked it, even if I have no idea what this means.
If there was a list of things Imagineers love most, featured prominently would be memorabilia. These sorts of trinkets are famous and sought out.

As to the projects themselves...

Westcot Center was the theme park that originally would've taken Disney California Adventure's spot. A next generation EPCOT Center, it would have been a striking and advanced concept.

In many ways Epcot Center was a total shot in the dark. They got a lot right. WESTCOT would have allowed them to iterate and move the concept even further forward with all the prior knowledge they had accumulated.

When costs exceeded $3 Billion (over 5 Billion today), they backed away. There were a variety of government, political, and internal factors that also led to its demise. It's heavy weighting on Resort development furthered the reconsideration.

Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom was the original moniker for Disney's Animal Kingdom. I do like to associate the Wild with everything that could've been (BK and Asia), but that's just me.

They were all projects part of the Disney Decade. Fear consumed management and we only got a fraction of the most impressive proposals. Tokyo Disney Sea and Disney's Animal Kingdom (albeit in a less built version). If they had doubled down instead of losing faith, they would have been well equipped to handle the 2000s and 2010s.

Now they've been playing catch up ever since.

Proof of WestCot Center. Maybe Joe was even involved on that project.
I too was surprised he had that. I thought DAK development started around that time.
 

TalkingHead

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Spent half of MLK Day at Epcot, so I thought I'd post a few thoughts.

The Arts Festival is nice, if a bit limited. The Mary Blair and Herb Ryman "galleries" are really half a dozen pieces of each artist -- a nice start, but could have been twice as big and felt adequate. The Ryman paintings are especially interesting since they're all related to Epcot concept art.

We just happened to be in the Odyssey when the napkin-folding class began -- nicely done, I must say! It was a great throwback to the Disney Institute classes. Not guessing many people remember those, but this was a nice experience.

We did a few rides. Amazing that Living with the Land has lasted all these years. I hope any eventual Epcot redo doesn't spell the end of it. Such a distinctive Epcot attraction that wouldn't fit in any other park.

Some of the people in the American Adventure finale sorta make you stop and shake your head, now. Lance Armstrong, especially. Not exactly the impression they were going for, I'd guess.

Oh, and the monorails look dreadful, like a public bus system in the sky. My wife, hardly someone who looks for faults at WDW, was the first to comment on them. They look like they're in need of a new coat of paint or a good cleaning or -- novel idea -- simply replace them with updated trains. Sad to think that some(!) of the MM+ money could've been spent improving the monorails...

Given the political events upcoming in the next couple of days, I was struck by Mark Twain's words in the American Adventure: "I think the founding fathers never dreamed of an America like this."

May not be how the WDI writers intended it, but they really outdid themselves with that line.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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Spent half of MLK Day at Epcot, so I thought I'd post a few thoughts.

The Arts Festival is nice, if a bit limited. The Mary Blair and Herb Ryman "galleries" are really half a dozen pieces of each artist -- a nice start, but could have been twice as big and felt adequate. The Ryman paintings are especially interesting since they're all related to Epcot concept art.

We just happened to be in the Odyssey when the napkin-folding class began -- nicely done, I must say! It was a great throwback to the Disney Institute classes. Not guessing many people remember those, but this was a nice experience.

We did a few rides. Amazing that Living with the Land has lasted all these years. I hope any eventual Epcot redo doesn't spell the end of it. Such a distinctive Epcot attraction that wouldn't fit in any other park.

Some of the people in the American Adventure finale sorta make you stop and shake your head, now. Lance Armstrong, especially. Not exactly the impression they were going for, I'd guess.

Oh, and the monorails look dreadful, like a public bus system in the sky. My wife, hardly someone who looks for faults at WDW, was the first to comment on them. They look like they're in need of a new coat of paint or a good cleaning or -- novel idea -- simply replace them with updated trains. Sad to think that some(!) of the MM+ money could've been spent improving the monorails...

Given the political events upcoming in the next couple of days, I was struck by Mark Twain's words in the American Adventure: "I think the founding fathers never dreamed of an America like this."

May not be how the WDI writers intended it, but they really outdid themselves with that line.
Living with the Land and the Seas could be relocated to DAK, I guess. We had the same feeling back in December that EPCOT needs a update (shocker). Hopefully Disney comes up with a good game plan to breathe life back into this park. A healthy investment would go a long way. The infrastructure is there. You could go in phases and have future world in good shape in a hurry.
 

Cesar R M

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From the office of Imagineer Joe Rohde

Epcot West?
I'm confused with that idea. But it looks like a futuristic building in the middle of the Wild West style terrain?
I keep having a West World vibe.

*edit*
Just read about WestCOT online. Wow, I need to get more informed on this!

Back when his earlobe was only this high.
Just Wishing Disney's standards hadn't sunk as bad as Joe's earlobe.
 

Magic Feather

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More like this? They aren't going to go over into the storage area behind MIB are they?

That is very close, at least from a guest area standpoint. A SB might spill over behind Simpsons a bit more, but that is otherwise accurate. Also, ET becoming Yoshi is still on the fence, last I have heard. It sounds like they are leaning against, although there does seem to be an alternate Spielberg Pleasing solution, which I too would be very happy with.
 

Cletus

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That is very close, at least from a guest area standpoint. A SB might spill over behind Simpsons a bit more, but that is otherwise accurate. Also, ET becoming Yoshi is still on the fence, last I have heard. It sounds like they are leaning against, although there does seem to be an alternate Spielberg Pleasing solution, which I too would be very happy with.
Sounds great! As much as I love E.T., I would be for getting rid of it for something new and refreshing. And that is coming from a guy who is still distraught over losing JAWS.:joyfull:
 

mickeyfan5534

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So I'm at a loss and google is no help, can someone give me the story on the 'Wild Animal Kingdom' and what was changed between Wild and what we have now?
 

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