A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

The Empress Lilly

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ToT is not so much set in the Twilight Zone as in Golden Era Hollywood, like the rest of the front area, of which Black and White tv is also a part (see: 50's Prime Time restaurant).

This is not an IP replacement of TZ for GotG, but a replacement of 'Hollywood That Never Was And Always Will Be' for GotG. Or, at best, for a Marvel area, and the Hollywood area will have a weenie of Marvel Land at its end.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
It's half as long and has half the content of the original.

Please stop with the lies about Pirates.

Almost the entirety of the additional "length" is an empty cavern which only exists due to logistics of getting you to the show building. It is missing one brief show scene in the middle (that feels kind of redundant in the DL version, tbh).

On the other hand, the MK Pirates which is supposedly such a book report has much grander versions of many of the show scenes. Bigger, more epic. Everything in the Disneyland version is compacted and smaller.

I spent my whole life being told how superior the Disneyland version is, and when I finally got to see it I was disappointed - not because it isn't a fine ride (though the queue theming is far superior at WDW) but because it just wasn't this fifty times better experience I had been lied to by all the mythmakimg around it.
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
I'd say it's relative. A person who grew up riding MK's PotC and didn't ride DL's until later in life (or has never ridden it) may very well consider MK's a classic. And on the other hand, someone who grew up riding Disneyland's surely doesn't see MK's that way.
Yes, MK Pirates is as much a classic as DCA's ToT is a classic.

To me, MK Pirates actually wins for having a gorgeous land to which it is tied to, for skipping the fluff they needed in DL, that filler to bridge the halls to outside the berm, and for having a logical sequence of events.
This all before later additions and substractions, which as is common have hit the MK harder than DL.
 

Bairstow

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Please stop with the lies about Pirates.

Almost the entirety of the additional "length" is an empty cavern which only exists due to logistics of getting you to the show building. It is missing one brief show scene in the middle (that feels kind of redundant in the DL version, tbh).

On the other hand, the MK Pirates which is supposedly such a book report has much grander versions of many of the show scenes. Bigger, more epic. Everything in the Disneyland version is compacted and smaller.

I spent my whole life being told how superior the Disneyland version is, and when I finally got to see it I was disappointed - not because it isn't a fine ride (though the queue theming is far superior at WDW) but because it just wasn't this fifty times better experience I had been lied to by all the mythmakimg around it.

Odd. I finally got to see the real Pirates of the Caribbean last summer and WAS blown away.
 

DinoInstitute

Well-Known Member
I found an exclusive photo inside the boardroom meeting that led to this decision:cautious:
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Animaniac93-98

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The "Save Toad" movement is the closest the WDW fan community ever got to an organized, on-message protest regrding the change of an attraction. One that even received media coverage.

It did nothing to change the outcome of the ride.

Disney's current goal in the theme park business is to turn the resorts into distribution channels for their collective IPs, while maintaining quarterly growth by managing the costs of new additions and current expenses that may or may not have direct lines of revenue (like shows). Unless you can convince Disney that changing ToT is not in their best interest for these reasons (without getting into legal trouble for making suggestions without being under the employ of the company), than I don't see a change in the ride's outcome unless the company comes to these conclusions on its own.

Disney will do whatever they want. Period. While telling Disney directly why you are cancelling future trips to their Florida resort is the most effective way to get your point across*, the odds of there being enough mommentum from the fan community alone to reverse this kind of decision is incredibly small. The only time Disney ever really fixes a problem like that is when it fails upon arrival with more or less everyone who sees it, like Light Magic or DCA 1.0. That might happen, but there's no way to know until it's [if it's] done. And even then, there are plenty of individuals (self-identified fans or not) who would love to see the GotG characters put in the attraction.

*There's also the question of "how big is the boycott?". Is it just WDW? Do I have to skip seeing GotG 2 in theaters or Netflix? Do I have to never watch anything on ABC again? What if I buy a one-day, one-park ticket to DLR and skip DCA?
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
The "Save Toad" movement is the closest the WDW fan community ever got to an organized, on-message protest regrding the change of an attraction. One that even received media coverage.

It did nothing to change the outcome of the ride.

Disney's current goal in the theme park business is to turn the resorts into distribution channels for their collective IPs, while maintaining quarterly growth by managing the costs of new additions and current expenses that may or may not have direct lines of revenue (like shows). Unless you can convince Disney that changing ToT is not in their best interest for these reasons (without getting into legal trouble for making suggestions without being under the employ of the company), than I don't see a change in the ride's outcome unless the company comes to these conclusions on its own.

Disney will do whatever they want. Period. While telling Disney directly why you are cancelling future trips to their Florida resort is the most effective way to get your point across*, the odds of there being enough mommentum from the fan community alone to reverse this kind of decision is incredibly small. The only time Disney ever really fixes a problem like that is when it fails upon arrival with more or less everyone who sees it, like Light Magic or DCA 1.0. That might happen, but there's no way to know until it's [if it's] done. And even then, there are plenty of individuals (self-identified fans or not) who would love to see the GotG characters put in the attraction.

*There's also the question of "how big is the boycott?". Is it just WDW? Do I have to skip seeing GotG 2 in theaters or Netflix? Do I have to never watch anything on ABC again? What if I buy a one-day, one-park ticket to DLR and skip DCA?

I mentioned this before but I think you are underestimating the power of social media that people have today. Not saying it will work. Just saying it is a tool that did not exist for Toad.
 
Personally, I don't see the problems with this!

It sounds great! It's Disney! Disney is Disney! I love Disney! Disney, Disney, DISNEY!

See this could make a needed Demolition of GMR easy!

Just put Frozen in the beginning sections!
Then put Star Wars in the Alien Section!!;-)
Who needs Wizard of Oz when you can put in Zootopia!
Replace the rest with Marvel!

YAY!

I LOVE DISNEY!!!!:-D

P.S. this was a joke pls don't kill me thx
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
I mentioned this before but I think you are underestimating the power of social media that people have today. Not saying it will work. Just saying it is a tool that did not exist for Toad.

That is true, but social media is also full of hyperbolic, disconnected junk. Plus, how many change.org petitions have actually worked?
 

The Empress Lilly

Well-Known Member
The "Save Toad" movement is the closest the WDW fan community ever got to an organized, on-message protest regrding the change of an attraction. One that even received media coverage.

It did nothing to change the outcome of the ride.

Disney's current goal in the theme park business is to turn the resorts into distribution channels for their collective IPs, while maintaining quarterly growth by managing the costs of new additions and current expenses that may or may not have direct lines of revenue (like shows). Unless you can convince Disney that changing ToT is not in their best interest for these reasons (without getting into legal trouble for making suggestions without being under the employ of the company), than I don't see a change in the ride's outcome unless the company comes to these conclusions on its own.

Disney will do whatever they want. Period. While telling Disney directly why you are cancelling future trips to their Florida resort is the most effective way to get your point across*, the odds of there being enough mommentum from the fan community alone to reverse this kind of decision is incredibly small. The only time Disney ever really fixes a problem like that is when it fails upon arrival with more or less everyone who sees it, like Light Magic or DCA 1.0. That might happen, but there's no way to know until it's [if it's] done. And even then, there are plenty of individuals (self-identified fans or not) who would love to see the GotG characters put in the attraction.

*There's also the question of "how big is the boycott?". Is it just WDW? Do I have to skip seeing GotG 2 in theaters or Netflix? Do I have to never watch anything on ABC again? What if I buy a one-day, one-park ticket to DLR and skip DCA?
Yes.

Let's present our case to the outside world: 'A movie park modernises a 25 year old ride from a black and white tv era show to 2010's biggest cinematic universe'.

Would we get anything but weird looks?
 
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Andrew C

You know what's funny?
That is true, but social media is also full of hyperbolic, disconnected junk. Plus, how many change.org petitions have actually worked?

need to use the tool correctly...to your advantage....and it cannot be just social media alone. But I think it should definitely play a key role. I bet we could do some research and see how individuals or groups of individuals have made a difference using social media as a big component.

Change.org is junk....
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Would we get anything but weird looks?

Maybe I could get some Patreon donations out of it? ;)

need to use the tool correctly...to your advantage....

And that is something I don't trust people to do. Some fans will defend the decision. Others will report false information.

I won't stop anyone from trying, but if the end result is just "I feel better" than I will probably just bake some cookies instead. :hungry:
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
The "Save Toad" movement is the closest the WDW fan community ever got to an organized, on-message protest regrding the change of an attraction. One that even received media coverage.

It did nothing to change the outcome of the ride.

Today is a different world... the amplifier factor of social media and the way people consume news changes the volume and speed of things dramatically. Just ask any business if they behave differently now in the era of Yelp, facebook, google, etc.

The trick is to how to get the ground swell in your favor.
 

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