A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[Brer Oswald]

I mean I believe you -- I guess it's just a matter of perspective haha

It was probably because I was in the front, and very observant of the scaffolding . I should've kept the mindset that I was in space!

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Same actually goes for Disney too, even when it's something still popular like Tower of Terror in DCA. There's also plenty of rides that were left without proper maintenance for a very long time. Thankfully Small World and Dinosaur had recent work done but we still have Space Mountain's track, the Yeti, the filth in Buzz, etc. I guess according to you Disney doesn't "value" those rides until a long time has passed or possibly never again since something happened.

That's one example of a big ride being replaced. Overall, Disney rarely replaces signature stuff whereas Universal mostly does that.

And we can agree to disagree on whether Disney's maintenance issues are on the same level as when Universal stops caring about an attraction. Buzz and all may look bad, but no where near as bad as the entirety of Seuss Landing, any figures and effects in the Toon Lagoon rides, or Doctor Doom's fear fall. And at least the Yeti still looks extremely exciting for the half second you see it even without motion. How do the Triceratops look in Triceratops Encounter now a days? Wait, that's right, Universals fancy animatronics they bragged about also broke and were never fixed. No one ever focuses on problems like these at Universal because there's always the new toy to play with while ET falls apart.

Again, I agree Disney has maintenance issues they need to address (and they seem to be starting soon with the updates you mentioned and the coming Epcot/Tomorrowland updates), but in my opinion Universal is way worse about that unless it's Potter, Hulk, or Spiderman.

I don't mean this as bashing Universal, I love Universal. And there is an element of opinion here. In general though, Disney focuses on timeless, Universal focuses on new. Unless you think Jimmy Fallon, the Brendon Fraser Mummy movies, Minions, and Michael Bay's Transformers will all be belived franchises 20 years from now. I doubt any of those rides will survive till 2025 before being replaced. 2030 at the latest. But I have no doubt in my mind that whatever replaces them will be amazing. And if They dont get replaced, then theyll just be forgotten the same way Twister was until they got around to replacing it.

 

[VJ]

It's still a water park. A very cool looking water park, but a water park. Despite what Universal's marketting has been saying, a water park is just a different experience than a theme park.

Animal Kingdom is still a zoo. A very cool looking zoo, but a zoo. Despite what Disney's marketting has been saying, a zoo is just a different experience than a theme park.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Animal Kingdom is still a zoo. A very cool looking zoo, but a zoo. Despite what Disney's marketting has been saying, a zoo is just a different experience than a theme park.

Not really the same thing. Point me to the zoo in Dinoland. Or on Kali or Everest. Or in the Nemo or Lion King show. Next year, direct me to the zoo in Pandora. It's a theme park that also has animals. Like Sea World or Busch Gardens or some Six Flags.

At Universal, you will always know you're in a water park. It's as absurd as suggesting WDW has 7 parks (DisneyQuest is an "indoor, interactive theme park" donchaknow).

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Animal Kingdom is still a zoo. A very cool looking zoo, but a zoo. Despite what Disney's marketting has been saying, a zoo is just a different experience than a theme park.

Are your arms sore from how far you had to stretch to make that work?

Zoos don't traditionally have rollercoasters, thrill rides, Broadway style stage shows, 3d movies, and water rides. Not to mention whatever Avatar brings. The only thing Animal Kingdom has in common with zoos is a couple animal trails tucked between theme park stuff.

If Volcano Bay is a regular theme park but with one or two waterslides, then you anology works. But you can ignore the zoo stuff at Animal Kingdom and still have plenty to do. If you ignore water park stuff at volcano bay, how much will be left? nothing but maybe a light show.

Also, water parks are different than theme parks because they just are. You don't wear a bathing suit and carry around a beach towel at theme parks. Most waterslides are a solo experience (2 at most). Theme Park rides are usually whole family experiences where the largest seperation is different cars in the same train. There are just fundamental differences between theme parks and water parks. I haven't seen anything about volcano bay that bridges those gaps. It's a water park. It is not a theme park as theme parks are traditionally thought of at least, and they dont seem to be redefining theme parks here. They're building a really cool water park, which is a different thing.

That being said, I can't wait for Volacno Bay to open. It looks amazing! It will probably be the best water park ever.

 

[Mike S]

That's one example of a big ride being replaced. Overall, Disney rarely replaces signature stuff whereas Universal mostly does that.

Wow. Have you just completely forgotten EPCOT Center's iconic Future World rides along with the abandoned Wonders of Life pavilion? How about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea being left to rot while it went "under refurbishment" in 1994? There's plenty more examples as well. That's just a few.

And we can agree to disagree on whether Disney's maintenance issues are on the same level as when Universal stops caring about an attraction. Buzz and all may look bad, but no where near as bad as the entirety of Seuss Landing, any figures and effects in the Toon Lagoon rides, or Doctor Doom's fear fall. And at least the Yeti still looks extremely exciting for the half second you see it even without motion. How do the Triceratops look in Triceratops Encounter now a days? Wait, that's right, Universals fancy animatronics they bragged about also broke and were never fixed. No one ever focuses on problems like these at Universal because there's always the new toy to play with while ET falls apart.

Again, I agree Disney has maintenance issues they need to address (and they seem to be starting soon with the updates you mentioned and the coming Epcot/Tomorrowland updates), but in my opinion Universal is way worse about that unless it's Potter, Hulk, or Spiderman.

Dude, they both have areas and problems like this. That's the point I'm making. They both do this. Also, I don't care for Dudley, Doom, Storm, etc. just as much. Popeye works though. The figures there were made to be like that. It's like the classic Fantasyland rides.

I don't mean this as bashing Universal, I love Universal. And there is an element of opinion here. In general though, Disney focuses on timeless, Universal focuses on new. Unless you think Jimmy Fallon, the Brendon Fraser Mummy movies, Minions, and Michael Bay's Transformers will all be belived franchises 20 years from now. I doubt any of those rides will survive till 2025 before being replaced. 2030 at the latest. But I have no doubt in my mind that whatever replaces them will be amazing. And if They dont get replaced, then theyll just be forgotten the same way Twister was until they got around to replacing it.

Transformers actually is a beloved franchise since the 80's. The ride just happens to be based on the movies like how King Kong is a beloved figure but the ride is based solely on the 2005 version. Jimmy Fallon may not be timeless, but The Tonight Show is. 60 years on the air ain't bad. What's stopping them from bringing in new hosts as they come? Minions is hard to place but it's possible. Just look at Shrek (not the 4D movie at the park) even though the last two movies stunk. The Mummy is a classic Hollywood monster. There was more than the Brandon Fraser movies. They are bringing out a new movie as well.

I really think you don't get that I'm agreeing with you but just pointing out that Disney isn't that much better in this regard.

 

[csmat99]

Buzz and all may look bad, but no where near as bad as the entirety of Seuss Landing

Seuss Landing is still an amazing land that captures the world that Dr Seuss created. Young kids love the rides. Could it use a little fresh paint in some areas I'm sure but to say it looks bad as a whole is pure nonsense.

 

[spacemt354]

That's one example of a big ride being replaced. Overall, Disney rarely replaces signature stuff whereas Universal mostly does that.

And we can agree to disagree on whether Disney's maintenance issues are on the same level as when Universal stops caring about an attraction. Buzz and all may look bad, but no where near as bad as the entirety of Seuss Landing, any figures and effects in the Toon Lagoon rides, or Doctor Doom's fear fall. And at least the Yeti still looks extremely exciting for the half second you see it even without motion. How do the Triceratops look in Triceratops Encounter now a days? Wait, that's right, Universals fancy animatronics they bragged about also broke and were never fixed. No one ever focuses on problems like these at Universal because there's always the new toy to play with while ET falls apart.

Again, I agree Disney has maintenance issues they need to address (and they seem to be starting soon with the updates you mentioned and the coming Epcot/Tomorrowland updates), but in my opinion Universal is way worse about that unless it's Potter, Hulk, or Spiderman.

I don't mean this as bashing Universal, I love Universal. And there is an element of opinion here. In general though, Disney focuses on timeless, Universal focuses on new. Unless you think Jimmy Fallon, the Brendon Fraser Mummy movies, Minions, and Michael Bay's Transformers will all be belived franchises 20 years from now. I doubt any of those rides will survive till 2025 before being replaced. 2030 at the latest. But I have no doubt in my mind that whatever replaces them will be amazing. And if They dont get replaced, then theyll just be forgotten the same way Twister was until they got around to replacing it.

Wow. Have you just completely forgotten EPCOT Center's iconic Future World rides along with the abandoned Wonders of Life pavilion? How about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea being left to rot while it went "under refurbishment" in 1994? There's plenty more examples as well. That's just a few.

Dude, they both have areas and problems like this. That's the point I'm making. They both do this. Also, I don't care for Dudley, Doom, Storm, etc. just as much. Popeye works though. The figures there were made to be like that. It's like the classic Fantasyland rides.

Transformers actually is a beloved franchise since the 80's. The ride just happens to be based on the movies like how King Kong is a beloved figure but the ride is based solely on the 2005 version. Jimmy Fallon may not be timeless, but The Tonight Show is. 60 years on the air ain't bad. What's stopping them from brining in new hosts as they come? Minions is hard to place but it's possible. Just look at Shrek (not the 4D movie at the park) even though the last two movies stunk. The Mummy is a classic Hollywood monster. There was more than the Brandon Fraser movies. They are bringing out a new movie as well.

I really think you don't get that I'm agreeing with you but just pointing out that Disney isn't that much better in this regard.

^ You both are kinda agreeing with each other even if it doesn't seem like it But running a tally on either Disney or Uni to show which one abandoned or replaces classics more is pointless to me...as there are a number of examples on both sides.

 

[Mike S]

^ You both are kinda agreeing with each other even if it doesn't seem like it But running a tally on either Disney or Uni to show which one abandoned or replaces classics more is pointless to me...as there are a number of examples on both sides.

Yeah, I think I'm done. I really don't know why this became an argument.

 

[spacemt354]

Yeah, I think I'm done. I really don't know why this became an argument.

I don't know why several things on News and Rumors become arguments...

 

[Cletus]

I don't mean this as bashing Universal

Heavens to Murgatroyd! I hope Universal never disappoints you! I'd hate to see what that would bring out in you.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Yeah, I think I'm done. I really don't know why this became an argument.

Yeah, I didn't really mean this as an argument either, I think we were both trying to make the same point slightly differently. I still would say that with Disney these problems (both maintenance and replacements) are the exception and with Universal they're the rule. The same way new E tickets are the exception for Disney and with Universal theyre the rule. But a lot of that comes down to opinion and what you count as major rides. Like maybe its just cuz im younger and didn't have much experience with them, but Horizons is the only old school epcot ride I'd count as a major loss on the scale as Back to the Future, Kong, and Jaws. But again... opinions. I still love both parks and have spent so much time in both (my family has been alternating annual passes almost my entire life haha)

 

[spacemt354]

Heavens to Murgatroyd! I hope Universal never disappoints you! I'd hate to see what that would bring out in you.

I didn't see anything where he was overtly bashing Universal without amending everything multiple times by saying he loves Universal.

It's no different than all the Disney fans saying the things they don't like about Disney.

 

[Cletus]

I didn't see anything where he was overtly bashing Universal without amending everything multiple times by saying he loves Universal.

It's no different than all the Disney fans saying the things they don't like about Disney.

I know. I just like to throw a Snagglepuss quote out from time to time.

 

[Cesar R M]

Completely unrelated, but I guess that's what these threads are for.

Apparently the entire Magic Band system and the dining reservation system went down during tonight's Christmas Party. Chaos ensued from what I hear.

again? anyone knows how long?
Last time I seen a full day crash was in presidents day last year.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Heavens to Murgatroyd! I hope Universal never disappoints you! I'd hate to see what that would bring out in you.

When it comes to me being negative about Universal, it's like when I'm negative about Big Hero 6 (or now Moana). It's cuz I think it's great, so the areas it isn't great really stick out and are frustrating to me.

Also, we are talking about my least favorite part of Universal: the way they don't seem to value the past. If this was discussion of simulator style rides it would be a different story because Universal is constantly finding new and creative ways to do it in an immersive style. Or I could go on for hours about how well done Spiderman, Men in Black, and Terminator are. Or how clever the fake ride exit in Mummy is. Or how much respect I have for how fast they are able to make rides and how they stay on top of what is popular. Or how much better Popeyes is then the Kali Rapids even if the figures are in need of a new coat of paint (and last year there were a couple stationary and at least one very obviously missing, but maybe it was a bad week). Or how well executed Suess Landing would be if it was better maintained and had slightly better rides. I love the World of Suess and they captured it so well, it just always seems to look 5 time older than it really is everytime I'm there.

 

[Cesar R M]

All rides vary. I've seen Everest a walk on and Dino using the exterior queue.

IT all depends if Dinosaur goes down, which constantly seems to do near holidays

 

[brb1006]

That's one example of a big ride being replaced. Overall, Disney rarely replaces signature stuff whereas Universal mostly does that.

And we can agree to disagree on whether Disney's maintenance issues are on the same level as when Universal stops caring about an attraction. Buzz and all may look bad, but no where near as bad as the entirety of Seuss Landing, any figures and effects in the Toon Lagoon rides, or Doctor Doom's fear fall. And at least the Yeti still looks extremely exciting for the half second you see it even without motion. How do the Triceratops look in Triceratops Encounter now a days? Wait, that's right, Universals fancy animatronics they bragged about also broke and were never fixed. No one ever focuses on problems like these at Universal because there's always the new toy to play with while ET falls apart.

Again, I agree Disney has maintenance issues they need to address (and they seem to be starting soon with the updates you mentioned and the coming Epcot/Tomorrowland updates), but in my opinion Universal is way worse about that unless it's Potter, Hulk, or Spiderman.

I don't mean this as bashing Universal, I love Universal. And there is an element of opinion here. In general though, Disney focuses on timeless, Universal focuses on new. Unless you think Jimmy Fallon, the Brendon Fraser Mummy movies, Minions, and Michael Bay's Transformers will all be belived franchises 20 years from now. I doubt any of those rides will survive till 2025 before being replaced. 2030 at the latest. But I have no doubt in my mind that whatever replaces them will be amazing. And if They dont get replaced, then theyll just be forgotten the same way Twister was until they got around to replacing it.

How is Seuss Landing bad?

 

[EPICOT]

Disney is better at marketing off of their classics, while Universal must rely heavily on new additions. Each strategy has its pros and cons.

 

[Cesar R M]

gods.. shigeru looks soo old

I wonder what will happen when Reggie and Shigeru kick the bucket...