A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[Brer Oswald]

Technically it was one of the first to be expanded.

But it's received the least attention in the last couple of decades and has seen less expansions, which was the point I was trying to get across.

 

[Brer Oswald]

A lot of you may disagree with this, but I have an idea, a crazy idea, one that would never work! Make the Australia land in AK and give it a unique E-Ticket, but also put some Finding Nemo there. Then, move Nemo the fish out of The Seas, and move Captain Nemo in. Then, a high tech 20k League Drak Ride gets built, packed with a life like giant squid animatronic that attacks your Nautilus. Crazy right?

 

[MisterPenguin]

A lot of you may disagree with this, but I have an idea, a crazy idea, one that would never work! Make the Australia land in AK and give it a unique E-Ticket, but also put some Finding Nemo there. Then, move Nemo the fish out of The Seas, and move Captain Nemo in. Then, a high tech 20k League Drak Ride gets built, packed with a life like giant squid animatronic that attacks your Nautilus. Crazy right?

Definitely completely insane.

First, it is clear that AK is really "Tropical Forest Animal Kingdom". So, rather than Australia, it will be the Amazon that will be next to be added to AK. Then, it's done. No other animals exist except the ones that are from tropical and mostly wet climates. That is the lesson of the ""Animal"" Kingdom.

Second, I agree that we should rip out that awful Nemo slow ride from the Living Seas. There's a Nemo musical and Turtle Talk. No need for a third Nemo attraction. But Captain Nemo ain't a Disney movie coming out in the next five years, so, the idea of using that IP in the park is DOA. Instead, have a slow omni-mover or trackless vehicle take you through the aquarium. Literally. There are already tunnels through the aquarium... put in more that the vehicles can go through. With projections, screens, and underwater animatronics, all your favorite underwater IP characters can be seen. Have the Living Ocean from Moana be the guiding force of your vehicle. Think: underwater People Mover.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Definitely completely insane.

First, it is clear that AK is really "Tropical Forest Animal Kingdom". So, rather than Australia, it will be the Amazon that will be next to be added to AK. Then, it's done. No other animals exist except the ones that are from tropical and mostly wet climates. That is the lesson of the ""Animal"" Kingdom.

Second, I agree that we should rip out that awful Nemo slow ride from the Living Seas. There's a Nemo musical and Turtle Talk. No need for a third Nemo attraction. But Captain Nemo ain't a Disney movie coming out in the next five years, so, the idea of using that IP in the park is DOA. Instead, have a slow omni-mover or trackless vehicle take you through the aquarium. Literally. There are already tunnels through the aquarium... put in more that the vehicles can go through. With projections, screens, and underwater animatronics, all your favorite underwater IP characters can be seen. Have the Living Ocean from Moana be the guiding force of your vehicle. Think: underwater People Mover.

Both of you make good points. DAK is about conservation and I would like to see some attention go toward The Amazon Rainforest. I do love the Captain Nemo idea and their is a movie in development.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Definitely completely insane.

First, it is clear that AK is really "Tropical Forest Animal Kingdom". So, rather than Australia, it will be the Amazon that will be next to be added to AK. Then, it's done. No other animals exist except the ones that are from tropical and mostly wet climates. That is the lesson of the ""Animal"" Kingdom.

Second, I agree that we should rip out that awful Nemo slow ride from the Living Seas. There's a Nemo musical and Turtle Talk. No need for a third Nemo attraction. But Captain Nemo ain't a Disney movie coming out in the next five years, so, the idea of using that IP in the park is DOA. Instead, have a slow omni-mover or trackless vehicle take you through the aquarium. Literally. There are already tunnels through the aquarium... put in more that the vehicles can go through. With projections, screens, and underwater animatronics, all your favorite underwater IP characters can be seen. Have the Living Ocean from Moana be the guiding force of your vehicle. Think: underwater People Mover.

If your going to do a boring aquarium tour, why not make it 20k themed? It'll be an aquarium with a theme! But your idea about multiple underwater scenes is intriguing. They should just leave turtle talk, but rip out the boring Nemo ride. Any replacement is a good one at this point! Also, why are we bringing Moana into everything these days? I heard it was good, and I'm sure it is, but there must be better ways to use the IP. I really liked the Adventureland idea!

 

[mickEblu]

I take back about Oliver & Company being 'Sword & the Stone' bad... S&TS is at least watchable, even if my chin hits the floor when I put it on... (the non memorable characters and bad story do nothing to hide the fact that it is made in the Xerox era and clearly looks it - just 4 years after the wonderfully and richly hand inked Sleeping Beauty that took place in similar time periods - at least 101 Dalmatians & Aristocats kinda/sorta get away with it by having it look like an artistic choice).

O&C looks cheap (and this comes from a big fan of the 40's package films). Bakshi cheap. Bad, bad songs. Cop Rock bad. I think Roger Ebert has a better opinion of Rob Schneider films then I do on O&C... I think I lasted a half hour before I changed it. It's been years since I've seen it, but I think Brave Little Toaster was better...

Agree with Oliver and Company being terrible. S&TS at least has its moments (Wizards duel). Sleeping Beauty has some beautiful backgrounds. On another note, I just watched Lady and the Tramp for the first time in my adult life last year and I have to say that is probably the most beautiful Disney animated film to watch. The colors and backgrounds were really pleasing to the eye.

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

^I think the backgrounds in Aristocats are also beautiful.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If your going to do a boring aquarium tour, why not make it 20k themed? It'll be an aquarium with a theme! But your idea about multiple underwater scenes is intriguing. They should just leave turtle talk, but rip out the boring Nemo ride. Any replacement is a good one at this point! Also, why are we bringing Moana into everything these days? I heard it was good, and I'm sure it is, but there must be better ways to use the IP. I really liked the Adventureland idea!

The problem is this "anything is better" attitude instead of wanting something good and in theme. Theme has just been disregarded or reduced to a franchise association, not a larger, storytelling experience.

 

[wdisney9000]

Every average main street in the USA has a castle. Sorry but civic landmarks are not analogous to an old world castle, except to your way of thinking.

Neuschwanstein was built and completed near the "turn of the century" The same turn of the century of which MSUSA is described. The castle is not exactly a part of Main Street. Its not even at "the end" of MSUSA. The distance between the end of MSUSA to the front of the castle is equal to, if not longer than the entire length of MSUSA itself. The same way Germany is not part of the USA. That distance allows for not only a transition to occur, but also distinctly separates the two regions and their various architectural compliments.

 

[wdisney9000]

The problem is this "anything is better" attitude instead of wanting something good and in theme. Theme has just been disregarded or reduced to a franchise association, not a larger, storytelling experience.

The core of that type of mindset is nothing more than fear. Without a direct path to follow, the average person will default to any familiar direction, or in this case, familiar reference. There are however certain types who will deviate from the path to explore and seek the unknown. Disney once sought out these types of thinkers. Now they silence them.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The problem is this "anything is better" attitude instead of wanting something good and in theme. Theme has just been disregarded or reduced to a franchise association, not a larger, storytelling experience.

I don't mean to be rude because I agree with your statement, but my 20k League idea you shot down had theme. Is it likely? No, and I definitely know that, but like you said, I can dream for "something good and in theme". Captain Nemo could be taking guests on a tour to see the marine life of the ocean. However, things could go horribly wrong on the expedition, and guests could encounter the giant squid who directly attacks their vehicle. The ride would combine animatronics, real marine life, and window effects to make it look like your underwater. Perhaps I said too much.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The core of that type of mindset is nothing more than fear. Without a direct path to follow, the average person will default to any familiar direction, or in this case, familiar reference. There are however certain types who will deviate from the path to explore and seek the unknown. Disney once sought out these types of thinkers. Now they silence them.

That's why you must be a combination! Wanting to take risks, but willing to be silenced while you perfect your idea and make it so amazing that they can't say no. Those are the Imagineers that Disney should be looking for!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Neuschwanstein was built and completed near the "turn of the century" The same turn of the century of which MSUSA is described. The castle is not exactly a part of Main Street. Its not even at "the end" of MSUSA. The distance between the end of MSUSA to the front of the castle is equal to, if not longer than the entire length of MSUSA itself. The same way Germany is not part of the USA. That distance allows for not only a transition to occur, but also distinctly separates the two regions and their various architectural compliments.

Traditional Main Streets are often organized around an important civic structure. In older, eastern towns this was often a church. As the US expanded westward the church was replaced by a government structure such as a courthouse. Each a symbol of the town's values, first religious and later republicanism. At the Magic Kingdom, a place of romance and fantasy, this place of significance is filled with a similarly appropriate structure.

While people like the use the word medieval to describe Sleeping Beauty Castle and Cinderella Castle, as you note, they are not. The Victorian era was one of architectural plurality. Victorian is not one singular style, but a collection of styles that were in use during the reign of Queen Victoria. Certain styles and materials came to be seen as more fitting for different programatic uses. The [image of] stone construction and revival architecture in the Castles follows this same pattern; with the grand civic structure being more oranate in and using materials intended to demonstrate the strength, wealth and stability of the town.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I don't mean to be rude because I agree with your statement, but my 20k League idea you shot down had theme. Is it likely? No, and I definitely know that, but like you said, I can dream for "something good and in theme". Captain Nemo could be taking guests on a tour to see the marine life of the ocean. However, things could go horribly wrong on the expedition, and guests could encounter the giant squid who directly attacks their vehicle. The ride would combine animatronics, real marine life, and window effects to make it look like your underwater. Perhaps I said too much.

Having a theme at only the attraction level does not create a larger story experience. The real defining characteristic of the theme park is not the themed attraction, as these already existed at amusement parks, but the themed land. Your idea had a theme but it was not part of a theme. Captain Nemo would have no relationship with any of the other pavilions.

 

[wdisney9000]

Traditional Main Streets are often organized around an important civic structure. In older, eastern towns this was often a church. As the US expanded westward the church was replaced by a government structure such as a courthouse. Each a symbol of the town's values, first religious and later republicanism. At the Magic Kingdom, a place of romance and fantasy, this place of significance is filled with a similarly appropriate structure.

While people like the use the word medieval to describe Sleeping Beauty Castle and Cinderella Castle, as you note, they are not. The Victorian era was one of architectural plurality. Victorian is not one singular style, but a collection of styles that were in use during the reign of Queen Victoria. Certain styles and materials came to be seen as more fitting for different programatic uses. The [image of] stone construction and revival architecture in the Castles follows this same pattern; with the grand civic structure being more oranate in and using materials intended to demonstrate the strength, wealth and stability of the town.

Very well said. Shame that some people just see "buildings that they must walk by to get to a ride".

 

[wdisney9000]

That's why you must be a combination! Wanting to take risks, but willing to be silenced while you perfect your idea and make it so amazing that they can't say no. Those are the Imagineers that Disney should be looking for!

I dont think the problem is with the Imagineers as much as it is with management caring more about what they can sell at the end of the ride in the gift shop. And before someone shouts out Disney is business and has every right to sell stuff, I agree, but gift shop sales should be an ancillary factor.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Having a theme at only the attraction level does not create a larger story experience. The real defining characteristic of the theme park is not the themed attraction, as these already existed at amusement parks, but the themed land. Your idea had a theme but it was not part of a theme. Captain Nemo would have no relationship with any of the other pavilions.

I'm sorry, but when has any of the pavilions had any relation to each other. That was the entire point of Future World. They weren't tied to one theme but tied to the idea of human discovery and the progress of technology. Your idea, which is a good one at that, is just as guilty of this, but still fits the overall idea.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I'm sorry, but when has any of the pavilions had any relation to each other. That was the entire point of Future World. They weren't tied to one theme but tied to the idea of human discovery and the progress of technology. Your idea, which is a good one at that, is just as guilty of this, but still fits the overall idea.

You just contradicted yourself. You say there was no theme and then proceeded to spell out a theme. "The idea of human discovery and the progress of technology" would be the relationship and one common theme.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Concerned by the further extension to F&W operating dates next year announced today.

I like the F&W festival and make a point of visiting for it. (I also enjoy restaurant fairs all over the world, and the food quality (though not the absolute pricing) trounces Epcot F&W all over). But it comes with major disadvantages and I'm sure I'm preaching to the converted but anyway:

1) World Showcase at night is one of the nicer experiences at WDW - but with F&W it's pretty much intolerable.
2) "Drunk Around the World" shirts - where on earth do people buy these things because I saw hundreds of them on my last visit. They must be expensive because the people wearing them must be billionaires to manage to get drunk around the world showcase.
3) Additional trash cans disrupt the aesthetic of World Showcase.

I'm guessing impulse sales on booze is the key driver for extending operating dates. But I think the longer the event runs, the lower the food quality becomes. Each additional operating day represents thousands of additional units of each ingredient in any particular dish...

A bunch of cool Epcot shirts at this link. I like the "Brave The Beverly" shirt.

https://www.redbubble.com/shop/Epcot

 

[DinoInstitute]

You just contradicted yourself. You say there was no theme and then proceeded to spell out a theme. "The idea of human discovery and the progress of technology" would be the relationship and one common theme.

If that's the theme, how would something like Captain Nemo not fit into human discovery?