the.dreamfinder
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A big advantage for Zootopia was entering the marketplace pretty much unopposed unlike Moana which had Rogue One and Sing nipping at its toes.
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The Academy loves Aardman just slightly less then Disney. Wallace and Gromit racked up several Oscars before the movie and Chicken Run was one of the reasons they decided to finally create the animation categoryI think that a major issue with the animation category is that there is very little structure in the voting guidelines. Are voters basing their votes for the most popular, best story, or best animation techniques? Look at this year's nominees- 2 were CGI based, 2 were stop motion (not sure about My Life as a Zucchini, but Kubo also employed CGI scenes), and 1 was traditionally animated. The most popular doesn't always win (Wallace & Gromit beat both Howl's Moving Castle and The Corpse Bride), but it seems to happen more often than not. Winning for the best story seems to be a mixed bag.
Mel Gibson makes it really hard for me to go back to it.The Academy loves Aardman just slightly less then Disney. Wallace and Gromit racked up several Oscars before the movie and Chicken Run was one of the reasons they decided to finally create the animation category
1) While the Maui costume was an unforced error, it came from a completely different division (Consumer Products) than the film itself (Walt Disney Studios). It is well-documented the various divisions within Disney behave semi-autonomously and there was likely the filmmakers weren't even aware this product was being made.Yea they took so much care they decided to merchandise an offensive costume with it. And didn't Pacific Islanders have issues with Maui's image and portrayal? Especially the lack of Hina who Maui couldn't do all the things he bragged about in the song You're Welcome without. As for the Kakamora, they were a real tribe of short statured people of the solomon islands and coconut is a somewhat a racial slur so trying those two together was rather bad taste on Disney's part to put those two things together.
Well, it was great they opened up a new culture to young children who may not have any knowledge or interest and helped put a role model for young pacific islander children, to say that it was sosphicated and they took care compared to Zootopia is very much not accurate.
What I'm interested to find out is how they'll treat the upcoming "live action" Lion King remake. Since it's likely to follow the Jungle Book's precedent and use photorealistic CGI animals and sets, but won't have any real actors, would it then be considered animated?I'm with you on both films. I think Big Hero 6 won since it was the only film from Disney or Pixar nominated that year, but it didn't deserve it. The only other film I had seen from that year's nominee list was How to Train Your Dragon 2, and that was a much better film.
I think that a major issue with the animation category is that there is very little structure in the voting guidelines. Are voters basing their votes for the most popular, best story, or best animation techniques? Look at this year's nominees- 2 were CGI based, 2 were stop motion (not sure about My Life as a Zucchini, but Kubo also employed CGI scenes), and 1 was traditionally animated. The most popular doesn't always win (Wallace & Gromit beat both Howl's Moving Castle and The Corpse Bride), but it seems to happen more often than not. Winning for the best story seems to be a mixed bag.
This just in.... people are stupid
Not sure what you mean. La La Land was always the clear favorite in the category and Moana winning would have been an "upset", at least a mild one. It certainly wasn't a "gimme" for Disney.
Disney won the three awards you'd expect them to have won going in. Best Song was a possibility but not likely. Rogue One was never going to win Sound Mixing. The reality is that Disney, for better or worse, doesn't release Oscar bait movies so they aren't going to win much of anything until they change their philosophy of which films to produce.
The level of sophistication in synthesizing the disparate legends and beliefs of Traditional Polynesian peoples into a coherent story and plot was impressive. The unprecedented care they took with a culture that has constantly been misunderstood and misrepresented was landmark. The infusion of the different (from a typical Domestic/European worldview) into a realm that has become a little comfortable was fresh.
Moana was playing Chess while Zootopia was playing checkers.
This just in.... people are stupid
While I preferred Moana to Zootopia, both had a lot going for them in terms of technical achievements. Both had a crazy amount of detail (the water in Moana/fur in Zootopia), both had great stories (yet both had some flaws), and I think they were both great additions to the Disney canon.
So while I liked Moana more (I'm almost always going to like Disney musicals over their non-musicals), I'm not upset that Zootopia won.
I'm starting to feel the same way about City of Stars winning over How Far I'll Go. I read a few anonymous ballots by Oscar voters, and it looks like a lot chose the La La Land songs for originality. If Disney campaigned for We Know the Way, they might have won Best Song. Lin Manuel Miranda is going to have another shot (Hamilton pun intended) soon, he's not going anywhere.
I am super pleased that Piper and Jungle Book won in their respective categories.
How did you equate that article to people are stupid?
We Know the Way is definitely the better song, and should have been pushed for consideration over How Far I'll Go. Definitely a misstep in Disney thinking.
The Academy should have Best Animated Film and Best Animated Musical Film. This way, Disney and Pixar can both win every year.
Rename the category, "Don't Bother, Since Either the Disney or Pixar Film Will Win"
Yeah but people are missing the big problem. Who in Disney Marketing thought that was an Oscar worthy preview of a new land? It was horrible. I was shocked at how badly it was put together. And the AA is kind weird with those shark like teeth up close.The joke was about 'the obvious'
You can write a story about people hating anything if your criteria is I need to find some quotes online and have a website to publish it on.
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