A Spirited Valentine ...

MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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WDW1974 said:
expect the SWE to open ... a few years after Anaheim's version,
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WDW1974 said:
I don't know who is stating what. Originally, it was 2021. That moved up a year. ... I have not heard one person at WDI say 2019 for WDW. They take forever to build anything of consequence. ....

So, just because someone started saying mid-2019 on the 'net and that got picked up by two bloggers who Tweeted at their 253 real followers and they told a bus driver at FW one night and ...

I am sticking with 2020 unless and until I hear otherwise. Sorry.
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WDW1974 said:
Not my sources on this. This is all me (yes, like when I said Tom Amity was crazy, which he is in general, about the castle envy in China and I was wrong. Me. Not sources. My sources are damn near perfect when they provide me information I can share ... and 100% when it is stuff that I can't). This is me using info that sources have given me throughout 2016, but not recently, and using other info to infer a conclusion.

Martin, I trust. But I don't know his sources (as far as I know) and lots of times one group of people hear one thing, while others -- even working on the same project -- hear differently). ...

Disney can't open a damn thing on time any more. And with the money they throw at projects it really isn't a forgivable offense. This was a company that used to be able to build a QS snack stand over a weekend at night and open the damn thing.

Look at Disney Springs for another project. Disney is acting like it is all open and was for most of 2016. The reality is the project still isn't finished and won't likely be until the end of this year, with some smaller things possibly pushed into early 2018. Just because you repeat a lie enough times doesn't make it true.

What's the saying? There are lies, damn lies and Disney lies?:cool::devilish::greedy::)
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WDW1974 said:
I feel the need to also correct the spread of misinformation (the whole purpose of the Disney fan community, right?) regarding what I have said about Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (we can leave the naming change for another time).

To be clear, I have stated from the start that Anaheim would open before Orlando because that was the fact. It still is today. This isn't me saying it because TDO can't do anything on time, even though we all know they can't (please, don't ask for examples). This is from knowledge from people associated with the projects.

Anaheim was originally projected, even internally, to open 12-18 months before Orlando. That changed a while back to getting them both open within the same calendar year, with one opening about 6-9 months ahead of the other.

That is still the plan and I have no doubt it will happen. I can also quite unequivocally state that based on current circumstances, the entire SW land for FL will not be ready to open in calendar year 2019. Most, but not all ... and, yes, that could change. But regardless of whether everything is ready or not (see: SDL) it will open sometime in late 2019 in the swamps.
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1. Orlando will be years behind.

2. By years, I mean 12-18 months.

3. I have no sources. This is me. Based on how Orlando can't get anything done on time. I have no recent sources on this. Disney can't get anything done on time.

4. I was right that Anaheim will be done before Orlando. [A fact no one is denying and everyone has believed to be true for over a year.]

5. This isn't me saying it because Orlando can't do anything on time, even though we all know they can't. I have sources. [see #3]

6. Disney changed their timeline to get both done the same year. Originally, they were supposed to be 12 - 18 months apart. [According to... sources? But the previous claims that they were going to be 12 - 18 months apart was based on "me" and not sources.]

7. I have no doubts both will be done in the same calendar year of 2019.

8. When Orlando opens in 2019 it will not be finished.. based on "current circumstances." [Is that "me" again or "sources"?]
 
George

George

Liker of Things
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jakeman

jakeman

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George said:
Bull****.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...-your-questions-about-avatar-at-disney-parks/
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Well look at that:

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2013+5=2018

They were early!
 
JediMasterMatt

JediMasterMatt

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WDW1974 said:
I feel the need to also correct the spread of misinformation (the whole purpose of the Disney fan community, right?) regarding what I have said about Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge (we can leave the naming change for another time).

To be clear, I have stated from the start that Anaheim would open before Orlando because that was the fact. It still is today. This isn't me saying it because TDO can't do anything on time, even though we all know they can't (please, don't ask for examples). This is from knowledge from people associated with the projects.

Anaheim was originally projected, even internally, to open 12-18 months before Orlando. That changed a while back to getting them both open within the same calendar year, with one opening about 6-9 months ahead of the other.

That is still the plan and I have no doubt it will happen. I can also quite unequivocally state that based on current circumstances, the entire SW land for FL will not be ready to open in calendar year 2019. Most, but not all ... and, yes, that could change. But regardless of whether everything is ready or not (see: SDL) it will open sometime in late 2019 in the swamps.
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Let me state, that while I don't know Spirit - I know of him and so do those that are kind enough to talk to me about Parks projects. What Spirit has been saying all along about SWL is very much the truth. The plan all along was to move forward with Disneyland as quickly as possible and if Orlando wanted to tag along, they could; but, they weren't going to slow down the process anymore. Hence the death of One Disney.

While the project was on paper, the goal was (and still is) to push Disneyland to open possibly at soon as holiday season 2018 for soft openings and have the official opening in early 2019. Orlando was to come online before 2020's summer season. I was told initially 6-12 months after Anaheim. Now, does that 2020 early 2020 date change if they hit the early part of the window? Probably, as it would fall in place before 2019's year end.

As with any project, the time variable can be altered by modifying one of the other pillars of project planning - resources (e.g. money for man hours) or quality. As to which path they will take to hit the "open before the next D23" timeframe... wanna place your bets?

For bonus wagering fun - who wants to take some parlay action on which is more likely: "Anaheim soft opens some part of SWL in time for holiday 2018 or all of SWL isn't online in Orlando before next D23"?

Considering contractors bonuses are in place for meeting deadlines in Anaheim and we've already seen them working after nightfall... I think the easy money is on the Left Coast horse.

Of course... Disney could just change the next D23 date to make the whole discussion moot.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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MisterPenguin said:
1. Orlando will be years behind.

2. By years, I mean 12-18 months.

3. I have no sources. This is me. Based on how Orlando can't get anything done on time. I have no recent sources on this. Disney can't get anything done on time.

4. I was right that Anaheim will be done before Orlando. [A fact no one is denying and everyone has believed to be true for over a year.]

5. This isn't me saying it because Orlando can't do anything on time, even though we all know they can't. I have sources. [see #3]

6. Disney changed their timeline to get both done the same year. Originally, they were supposed to be 12 - 18 months apart. [According to... sources? But the previous claims that they were going to be 12 - 18 months apart was based on "me" and not sources.]

7. I have no doubts both will be done in the same calendar year of 2019.

8. When Orlando opens in 2019 it will not be finished.. based on "current circumstances." [Is that "me" again or "sources"?]
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Well this is awkward...
 
EricsBiscuit

EricsBiscuit

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JediMasterMatt said:
Let me state, that while I don't know Spirit - I know of him and so do those that are kind enough to talk to me about Parks projects. What Spirit has been saying all along about SWL is very much the truth. The plan all along was to move forward with Disneyland as quickly as possible and if Orlando wanted to tag along, they could; but, they weren't going to slow down the process anymore. Hence the death of One Disney.

While the project was on paper, the goal was (and still is) to push Disneyland to open possibly at soon as holiday season 2018 for soft openings and have the official opening in early 2019. Orlando was to come online before 2020's summer season. I was told initially 6-12 months after Anaheim. Now, does that 2020 early 2020 date change if they hit the early part of the window? Probably, as it would fall in place before 2019's year end.

As with any project, the time variable can be altered by modifying one of the other pillars of project planning - resources (e.g. money for man hours) or quality. As to which path they will take to hit the "open before the next D23" timeframe... wanna place your bets?

For bonus wagering fun - who wants to take some parlay action on which is more likely: "Anaheim soft opens some part of SWL in time for holiday 2018 or all of SWL isn't online in Orlando before next D23"?

Considering contractors bonuses are in place for meeting deadlines in Anaheim and we've already seen them working after nightfall... I think the easy money is on the Left Coast horse.

Of course... Disney could just change the next D23 date to make the whole discussion moot.
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Star Wars is huge and there is no way in hell they will just "tag along" with this land. They will get it done by October 2019! I bet!
 
George

George

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lazyboy97o said:
The five years is design and construction, so that means it is 2011 + 5 = 2016. The project did end up about 8 months behind schedule.
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It was just a general, "hey we just decided we're going to do this and we have nothing designed yet announcement." I don't read that as taking exactly five years at all (especially since they admit nothing was designed and they use the word "about"). In fall of 2013 at the D23 expo in Japan, 2017 was thrown out as a general opening date and they hit that target easily. I would someone as erudite as yourself to pick up on that little detail and not read it as exactly 5 years, but I guess you only act that way when it suits your purposes.

https://www.undercovertourist.com/blog/avatar-inspired-land-to-open-in-2017-disneys-animal-kingdom/
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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George said:
It was just a general, "hey we just decided we're going to do this and we have nothing designed yet announcement." I don't read that as taking exactly five years at all (especially since they admit nothing was designed and they use the word "about"). In fall of 2013 at the D23 expo in Japan, 2017 was thrown out as a general opening date and they hit that target easily. I would someone as erudite as yourself to pick up on that little detail and not read it as exactly 5 years, but I guess you only act that way when it suits your purposes.

https://www.undercovertourist.com/blog/avatar-inspired-land-to-open-in-2017-disneys-animal-kingdom/
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I didn’t ignore any details. The announcement being before design doesn’t change the five year timeline. I also have no qualms stating that construction got behind schedule.
 
JediMasterMatt

JediMasterMatt

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EricsBiscuit said:
Star Wars is huge and there is no way in hell they will just "tag along" with this land. They will get it done by October 2019! I bet!
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Well, they did drag their feet kicking and screaming about the costs for so long the 3rd attraction got axed along with just overall complaints about the complexity and cost. Not from the initial outlay of capital either. It was the long term operational costs for maintenance and staffing.

Now, doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy about the long term prospective of keeping all those droids, aliens, and role-playing Cast Members that will be required to keep SWL bustling? It's not like we need streetmosphere on Main St. USA anyway.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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JediMasterMatt said:
Well, they did drag their feet kicking and screaming about the costs for so long the 3rd attraction got axed along with just overall complaints about the complexity and cost. Not from the initial outlay of capital either. It was the long term operational costs for maintenance and staffing.

Now, doesn't that make you feel all warm and fuzzy about the long term prospective of keeping all those droids, aliens, and role-playing Cast Members that will be required to keep SWL bustling? It's not like we need streetmosphere on Main St. USA anyway.
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My first thought when they announced all the streetmosphere, droids, etc. was that they wouldn't last.

And we get it, things run 'in the swamps' are terrible (and they are, we all know they don't like to spend money, we all know they drag their feet. You always say the same thing, but I appreciate your insight into the land, you don't need to always paint the same awful picture of how bad it is). It just seems to be repeated ad nauseum. Disneyland is wonderful and amazing. The swamps suck. We know.
 
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