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ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Here's the thing that everyone needs to keep in perspective about the value of sports: the reason why ESPN is able to charge $7 per sub in the first place is because of the dominant amount of live sports rights that they have in the stable. It's popular in the peanut gallery to state that ESPN supposedly paid "too much" for its current NFL and NBA contracts, but those are the types of properties (along with MLB and power conference college sports) that will allow ESPN to survive in whatever format is most profitable in 5 or 10 years from now.

Why? It's because sports combine two characteristics that don't exist in any other type of entertainment platform today: they're (a) watched live, meaning that sports are effectively the only programs on TV or anywhere else where people actually see commercials en masse as opposed to skipping them on DVRs or online and (b) exclusive, meaning that I *have* to watch ESPN (or another applicable rights holder) to see the game that I want, whereas virtually every other type of program can be accessed through multiple platforms at any time (whether on linear TV, streaming services like Netflix, Hulu or Amazon Prime or other over-the-top services).

The other factor is that there's still brand certainty in sports on TV (similar to the top movie franchises like Star Wars, Marvel, etc.). Even the most popular scripted shows on TV like Game of Thrones and Walking Dead have limited shelf lives. HBO is going to have to find new hits 5 years from now or else its value proposition goes down, which is easier said than done in an industry where there's no formula for creating hits. For however much the NFL or NBA rights might cost, those properties are virtually guaranteed to continue to draw ratings 5 or 10 years from now in a way that you couldn't even say for the biggest hits on TV.

So, contrary to popular belief, the expensive sports contracts aren't albatrosses for ESPN. Instead, those sports contracts pretty much make ESPN the only cable network that actually has options long-term since they have content that's live and exclusive in a way that can be sold in a variety of formats while still selling commercials. Everyone else has programming that is non-exclusive and can be watched 24/7 without commercials, so they're all commodities. People really need to look at the long game -- sports are really the only TV programming that's actually worth anything anymore (which is why ESPN was able to charge $7 per sub in the first place). The current cord cutting is certainly painful to Disney, but that's because ESPN was delivering *insane* profits for so many years (dwarfing the profits of any other Disney entity by a landslide) that the entire company was dependent on that gravy train (so they're all spooked that it has slowed down).

Heres the problem in a nutshell ESPN is losing right now between 10-20,000 subscribers( depending on who is counting) per DAY and that rate is increasing.

If we use the lower number of 10k per day and assume 7 bucks for espn thats roughly 1.78 BIllion dollars in lost direct revenue per year no to mention knock on effects
 

Disney Analyst

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Yes but the oddness of the award is that it won best theme park, not best water park. That's like giving an award for best roller coaster to a wat- oh, wait...

In the end it comes from a fan site with no true award integrity. Let's wait for the awards from industry professionals. They actually care about distinctions between "Roller Coaster", "Theme Parks", "Waterparks", and "Waterslides".
 

brb1006

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Having been to Volcano Bay a few weeks ago, I will say it is easily the most beautiful water park out there...The Queue system creates a huge mess (we were there 7 hours but only able to get on three slides) other than that obvious problem which I think they will get worked out, Volcano Bay blows the Disney water parks away....

Really? Better themed then Typhoon Lagoon?
Yeah, better than Typhoon Lagoon?
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Absimilliard

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Well, LMA typically did 10,000 a day if I'm not mistaken (2 shows, 5000 guests per show). While I don't know what the Backlot Tour's capacity was, I'm pretty sure it hasn't been at it's peak capacity in 10-15 years.

It does sound like the two Star Wars attractions will be in the 1500-1700 guests per hour range, Slinky Dog Dash seems to be in the 1200 range and Alien Swirling Saucers will likely be less than 1000. The Mickey Ride will also probably be a lower capacity than the Great Movie Ride, but very well may be the most efficient ride of all of the new additions.

"Alcatraz" and the Mickey Ride will have the best capacity of them all as they can easily add a separate loading platform for disabled guests. The Millennium Falcon ride leaked ride system looks like it can't, so when every cycle has a slow loading guests, hourly capacity will plummet.

Unfortunately, it seems like they did not learn from the Seven Dwarves Mine Train fiasco and did not design a separate loading platform for Slinky Dog like they did at Disneyland on Space Mountain. 1200 will seem generous once IRL numbers come out.

P.S: Since I mentioned Seven Dwarves Mine Train, for kicks and to correct a Disney affirmation, I just uploaded an article on my blog called "The largest expansion in the Magic Kingdom History". What does it talk about? Not the New Fantasyland, but Tomorrowland 1974-1975 expansion with Space Mountain as the headliner.
 

Absimilliard

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I just don't understand. Krakatoa isn't a roller coaster and Volcano Bay is clearly a water park. Even so, all I've heard about Volcano Bay so far is that the queue system is a mess, they're operating at half capacity, and handing out refunds. Plus, I love Universal but it's easy to see the issues the park is having right now.

Its not the only website to do that. I voted for the Amusement Today "Golden Tickets Award" and Volcano Bay was listed under the "Best Waterpark" category and Krakatoa under "best new water park attraction". I did not vote for either as I did not visit them yet.
 

tirian

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"Alcatraz" and the Mickey Ride will have the best capacity of them all as they can easily add a separate loading platform for disabled guests. The Millennium Falcon ride leaked ride system looks like it can't, so when every cycle has a slow loading guests, hourly capacity will plummet.

Unfortunately, it seems like they did not learn from the Seven Dwarves Mine Train fiasco and did not design a separate loading platform for Slinky Dog like they did at Disneyland on Space Mountain. 1200 will seem generous once IRL numbers come out.

P.S: Since I mentioned Seven Dwarves Mine Train, for kicks and to correct a Disney affirmation, I just uploaded an article on my blog called "The largest expansion in the Magic Kingdom History". What does it talk about? Not the New Fantasyland, but Tomorrowland 1974-1975 expansion with Space Mountain as the headliner.
New FL is the largest expansion if you rank it by walking distance. ;)
 

BrianLo

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But I don't recall any other theme parks of its magnitude opening within the past year. Maybe I'm wrong.

Which is particularly why it seems fishy that after a good decade of running these awards, TPI started the best theme park award this year, of all years. Not last year for example, when an actual major tier one theme park opened.

However... I have a slight feeling it had more to do with the Dubai parks Robert was 'potentially' comped to visit and review earlier this year... and then the award backfired when thrown to the readership.
 
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JoeCamel

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Which is particularly why it seems fishy that after a good decade of running these awards, TPI started the best theme park award this year, of all years. Not last year for example, when an actual major tier one theme park opened.

However... I have a slight feeling it had more to do with the Dubai parks Robert was 'potentially' comped to visit and review earlier this year... and then the award backfired when thrown to the readership.
I can't believe this discussion is taking place. There is no "theme park blog police". They are free to make it up as they go along and credibility is determined by clicks and subscribers.
Niles is taking comps the same as many others, he brings news, commentary and opinion the same as so many others. Taking comps is the way of the blogger world. No need to display umbridge at made up awards.

Theme parks are about fantasy, the bloggers feed that fantasy. This is just an extension of that.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I can't believe this discussion is taking place. There is no "theme park blog police". They are free to make it up as they go along and credibility is determined by clicks and subscribers.
Niles is taking comps the same as many others, he brings news, commentary and opinion the same as so many others. Taking comps is the way of the blogger world. No need to display umbridge at made up awards.

Theme parks are about fantasy, the bloggers feed that fantasy. This is just an extension of that.
For the record, I'll gladly sell my loyalty to anyone willing to give me free stuff. Just putting it out there in case anyone important is reading this:D:joyfull::cool:
 

JoeCamel

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For the record, I'll gladly sell my loyalty to anyone willing to give me free stuff. Just putting it out there in case anyone important is reading this:D:joyfull::cool:
Hey, I'll up that. After a 5 year hiatus I will go back to WDW if they front me an unlimited magic band. Won't actually wear the band but I will graciously accept it. Might even tweet about "the world". Think I have 14 or so followers
 

BrianLo

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I can't believe this discussion is taking place. There is no "theme park blog police". They are free to make it up as they go along and credibility is determined by clicks and subscribers.
Niles is taking comps the same as many others, he brings news, commentary and opinion the same as so many others. Taking comps is the way of the blogger world. No need to display umbridge at made up awards.

Theme parks are about fantasy, the bloggers feed that fantasy. This is just an extension of that.

Robert exists in a weird inbetween state, he dabbles quite often in real journalism. There is some credibility reinforced in his award thanks to Universal hanging his website above one of their staple restaraunts. A comped visit to Dubai probably extends outside of the typical mommy blogger realm.

But you are right, it is still a blog at the end of the day and a set of made up awards for fun.

I just hope that sometimes people with a little more power (such as Robert) would use their voice to be a bit more than a marketing mouth piece. Not a doom and gloomer, but perhaps at least not reinforce the marketing BS.
 

Absimilliard

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Robert exists in a weird inbetween state, he dabbles quite often in real journalism. There is some credibility reinforced in his award thanks to Universal hanging his website above one of their staple restaraunts. A comped visit to Dubai probably extends outside of the typical mommy blogger realm.

But you are right, it is still a blog at the end of the day and a set of made up awards for fun.

I just hope that sometimes people with a little more power (such as Robert) would use their voice to be a bit more than a marketing mouth piece. Not a doom and gloomer, but perhaps at least not reinforce the marketing BS.

I don't have the readership of his website, but I found a way to avoid the typical blogger pitfalls: concentrate on history and don't talk current news that much. In the case of Disney, its perfect as I don't need to embelish too much stuff when I talk with passion about say Space Mountain at DLP.
 

No Name

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I appologize if this has been posted already. So, there's a new trackless ride called Symbolica that opened at Efteling. It's really good, you should watch the video below.



While this video is slightly lower quality, it includes the exterior and animatronic preshow:


And guess how much it all cost? 35 million euros. That's only 40 million dollars! For this whole attraction! How much do you think this would this cost Disney?
 
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brb1006

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I appologize if this has been posted already. So, there's a new trackless ride called Symbolica that opened at Efteling. It's really good, you should watch the video below.



While this video is slightly lower quality, it includes the exterior and animatronic preshow:


And guess how much it all cost? 35 million euros. That's only 40 million dollars! For this whole attraction! How much do you think this would this cost Disney?

I loved the Making Of Symbolica series that gives a behind the scenes look behind the attraction. The workers at Efteling sound so passionate and caring with their attractions.

I never brought this up, but I might be one of the few English users on this site that is also very fond with Efteling. It's one of the very few non-Disney Parks that comes very close to the level of Disney quality when it comes with their attractions and attention to detail. I also heard Efteling has a good relationship with Disney since I heard that the Pardoes Statue located in Pardoes Promenade was built by workers from Disneyland Paris but might had been made secretly without public knowledgeable.

For those unfamiliar with Efteling, Pardoes is the mascot for the park since 1989.
 
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RSoxNo1

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I appologize if this has been posted already. So, there's a new trackless ride called Symbolica that opened at Efteling. It's really good, you should watch the video below.



While this video is slightly lower quality, it includes the exterior and animatronic preshow:


And guess how much it all cost? 35 million euros. That's only 40 million dollars! For this whole attraction! How much do you think this would this cost Disney?

Seems like a very cool dark ride, but it's almost as if the trackless ride system is wasted. They probably could have gotten away with a busbar system for 95% of the ride.
 

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