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Cosmic Commando

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Respectfully multiple surveys like this one rank ESPN in the lower fifth of 'ala-carte' channel selections.

The problem ESPN has is that the MOST the hardcore sports fan is willing to pay is about 8 bucks ala carte yet it COSTS about 30 bucks to deliver that content if you assume the survey's uptake percentages are correct.

ESPN usually is dead last after The Weather Channel. Interestingly enough however ABC/CBS fight it out for the top spot in all the surveys as well so it's not all bad news for Disney.

From Fierce Cable

http://www.fiercecable.com/broadcas...desirable-a-la-carte-channels-tivo-study-says.

In an ala-carte world ESPN will probably have 10-20 million subscribers which is a far cry from the 112 million they had at one time and they are going to have a hard time raising revenue as well because in the theoretical ala-carte bundle of 20 channels the best price point ESPN could manage was 1.82/Month

As to college sports I think you will find the colleges will 'dis-intermediary' themselves and offer their own streaming programs so they get ALL the revenue from airing their games. Maybe it will be conference based, maybe school based I don't know and I'm a bad one to ask on school sports because I simply don't care about sports except as a business.
I suspect if you did a similar survey about what average people would be "willing" to pay for a trip to WDW, the price would be well below what it actually costs. Yet, the parks are full... why? When you add in all the intangibles, it's a different conversation than sitting and talking to a pollster. That being said, I do think ESPN and the sports leagues have gotten fat off of blue-haired ladies and everyone else that couldn't care less about sports.
 

RSoxNo1

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That's an interesting statement on Studios Capacity. I think you're wrong if you factor in the third track at TSMM. I mean maybe if you counted the two theaters as theoretically running continuous shows 9-9 and the sheer square footage of the Streets to park bodies...

@RSoxNo1 whats your take?
Well, LMA typically did 10,000 a day if I'm not mistaken (2 shows, 5000 guests per show). While I don't know what the Backlot Tour's capacity was, I'm pretty sure it hasn't been at it's peak capacity in 10-15 years.

It does sound like the two Star Wars attractions will be in the 1500-1700 guests per hour range, Slinky Dog Dash seems to be in the 1200 range and Alien Swirling Saucers will likely be less than 1000. The Mickey Ride will also probably be a lower capacity than the Great Movie Ride, but very well may be the most efficient ride of all of the new additions.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I suspect if you did a similar survey about what average people would be "willing" to pay for a trip to WDW, the price would be well below what it actually costs. Yet, the parks are full... why? When you add in all the intangibles, it's a different conversation than sitting and talking to a pollster. That being said, I do think ESPN and the sports leagues have gotten fat off of blue-haired ladies and everyone else that couldn't care less about sports.

The difference here is cable is seen as a basic necessity and once the average cable bill broke $100 well people want to cut back.

And the reality is that the Disney network properties are disproportionately losing viewers relative to the rest of the market which tracks what the surveys said.

As ESPN has moved away from live sports to the 'screaming heads' format they have become less appealing to the wider market

As to college ball yes its popular but most viewers only care about THEIR team so if you are a Seminoles fan you dont care about the Gators unless you are playing them So unless im playing fantasy sports why do i want to pay for coverage outside my conference or ideally just my school.
 

Frank the Tank

Well-Known Member
The difference here is cable is seen as a basic necessity and once the average cable bill broke $100 well people want to cut back.

And the reality is that the Disney network properties are disproportionately losing viewers relative to the rest of the market which tracks what the surveys said.

As ESPN has moved away from live sports to the 'screaming heads' format they have become less appealing to the wider market

As to college ball yes its popular but most viewers only care about THEIR team so if you are a Seminoles fan you dont care about the Gators unless you are playing them So unless im playing fantasy sports why do i want to pay for coverage outside my conference or ideally just my school.

You're conflating losing viewers with losing revenue (albeit the latter is certainly a huge problem for Disney).

Sports across-the-board have retained (or even added) viewers much better than virtually every other form of televised entertainment out there. Just look at the massive drops in ratings on over-the-air network non-sports TV shows for the past several years (which have nothing to do with cable subscriptions). The ratings numbers that got American Idol cancelled on Fox just 2 years ago would make it a hit on ABC for this upcoming season.

To that point, ESPN's ratings are actually very good. The "screaming heads" on ESPN aren't replacing live sporting events at all, but rather the journalism-oriented shows like Outside the Lines during the daytime. (Note that I don't think that's a good thing, but it needs to be made clear that ESPN definitely hasn't shifted away from live sporting events. What they've ditched is quality journalism during the daytime hours in favor of those "screaming heads".) ESPN's issues aren't about *viewers* per se.

Instead, what's disproportionately impacting Disney is that they earn over $7 per subscriber for ESPN, so each person that cuts the cord means that Disney is no longer earning $7 from that person. Other cable channels are much cheaper, so that top line revenue number is still going down with cord cutters, but it's not as eye-popping because they weren't able to charge nearly as much in the first place. The upshot is that the subscriber revenue that ESPN was making that fueled all of TWDC can no longer be depended upon, which is what scares investors.

It's still instructive to note just how much ESPN makes in terms of subscriber revenue because I don't think many people understand the context of how massive it is for Disney. A single month of ESPN subscriber revenue is the equivalent of the domestic gross of The Force Awakens or The Avengers... and that's before they sell a single ad (which also happen to have among the highest ad rates in the TV industry). Thank about it: Disney has been making the equivalent of the biggest movies of all-time with ESPN EVERY SINGLE MONTH BEFORE THEY EVEN SELL AN AD. As a result, Disney *has* to figure out a way to make ESPN work... and you can also see why they still won't willingly go to a la carte. ESPN is probably still more profitable to them even if today's cable subscriber numbers are cut in half compared to going to an a la carte model.
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
Wait. I just read that again. It won best new THEME park? Wh-how???

That can't be right, I must be reading you wrong.

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Because there is hardly anything "new" right now? XD
 

The_Jobu

Well-Known Member
Because there is hardly anything "new" right now? XD

I just don't understand. Krakatoa isn't a roller coaster and Volcano Bay is clearly a water park. Even so, all I've heard about Volcano Bay so far is that the queue system is a mess, they're operating at half capacity, and handing out refunds. Plus, I love Universal but it's easy to see the issues the park is having right now.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
Having been to Volcano Bay a few weeks ago, I will say it is easily the most beautiful water park out there...The Queue system creates a huge mess (we were there 7 hours but only able to get on three slides) other than that obvious problem which I think they will get worked out, Volcano Bay blows the Disney water parks away....
 

Cesar R M

Well-Known Member
My only thought is that Disney's copyright lawyers aren't paid enough to actually watch this poison.


Probably because it counts as "parody".
That doesn't stop the pseudo lawyers who actively hunt down videos of random contents and mass submit violations and DCMAs (even if they are not even the lawyers contracted by the owners of the content).

And while we can't post any other video like this. It really makes me hate searching up anything in the YouTube search engine for any Disney character fearing most will be these kind of videos,

I do not see the problem. Kids should have the google default browser filter to maximum.
That should block almost 99% of the BAD XXX rated sites, parodies, etc..

Unsure if that works well with youtube..
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
Probably because it counts as "parody".
That doesn't stop the pseudo lawyers who actively hunt down videos of random contents and mass submit violations and DCMAs (even if they are not even the lawyers contracted by the owners of the content).



I do not see the problem. Kids should have the google default browser filter to maximum.
That should block almost 99% of the BAD XXX rated sites, parodies, etc..

Unsure if that works well with youtube..
Believe me, Youtube has really changed when it comes to what is acceptable or not.
 

UpAllNight

Well-Known Member
Having been to Volcano Bay a few weeks ago, I will say it is easily the most beautiful water park out there...The Queue system creates a huge mess (we were there 7 hours but only able to get on three slides) other than that obvious problem which I think they will get worked out, Volcano Bay blows the Disney water parks away....

Couldn't disagree more.

Volcano Bay is newer, and therefore fresher. But Typhoon Lagoon is leagues above it in terms of theming & beauty.
 

floridagirl57

Active Member
Having been to Volcano Bay a few weeks ago, I will say it is easily the most beautiful water park out there...The Queue system creates a huge mess (we were there 7 hours but only able to get on three slides) other than that obvious problem which I think they will get worked out, Volcano Bay blows the Disney water parks away....
Really? Better themed then Typhoon Lagoon?
 

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