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[Bairstow]

It's a new planet to explore. That's the appeal. The characters, familiar touches ... there's no doubt the land will be a hit. It was smart of them to make a new planet.

That's what I loved about the original Star Tours at Disneyland. Other than the droids in the queue and the Death Star run, it was full of places and characters that while new, felt unmistakably "Star Wars".

The best theme park offerings based on properties like Star Wars are those that try to expand on the world of the film rather than simply reenact it, and let the guest explore beyond what they already know and expect.

 

[RSoxNo1]

If they actually have girls swimming in the aquarium behind the bar I'll be very impressed.

They've got an Avatar in the Flight of Passage queue.

 

[GoofGoof]

No realistic person would expect that Disney would spend that money on the P&R division, 5-10 billion perhaps on a really good day.

Disney could have made strategic purchases of companies to position themselves to jump to the next generation of content delivery instead of being mired in the broadcast/cable model. The ESPN comet is poised to hit Planet Disney dead on in 2019-2020 when ESPN SG&A costs will exceed ESPN's total revenues.

The share repurchases have served to paper over many cracks in Disney's increasingly antiquated way of doing business. But the money train pulled by ESPN is going to come to a screeching halt and then all the ugly little secrets will come to light. The results will NOT be pretty. Iger despite his '

One of the most obvious telltales of Disney's inability to manage tech is www.go.com, Disney bought the GO network back in 1998 and here 19 YEARS later they have not been able to integrate GO into Disney's internet presence. Just visit WWW.GO.COM for giggles.

Honestly, they should just buy a tech company to fix their websites

 

[The_Jobu]

They've got an Avatar in the Flight of Passage queue.

That's a puppet though, right?

 

[GoofGoof]

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Exactly my point...The stories are all about the ships, droids and characters...Not iconic architecture... Has the setting they are building been featured in one of the movies? I missed the last film but have seen the others...It doesn't look familiar to me.

Not everything has to be Harry Potter Land. Universal hit a home run by recreating an exact replica of a movie set. That doesn't mean SW Land has to do the same. The IP isn't suited for that kind of theme park land. It's not just the architecture that will make the land great it's the Falcon and the droids and the overall environment. I don't know why you keep wanting to ignore parts of the land and judge it based only on the architecture. IMHO they can still do a good job transporting you to the Star Wars Universe without recreating a scene from one of the movies. I can respect it as a difference of opinion if you don't feel the same.

 

[RSoxNo1]

That's a puppet though, right?

I don't know for sure, but it seems like an animatronic.

 

[ford91exploder]

New sponsor coming to Spaceship Earth or new attraction coming?

You forgot the most likely option mothballing the attraction for years

 

[ford91exploder]

Not everything has to be Harry Potter Land. Universal hit a home run by recreating an exact replica of a movie set. That doesn't mean SW Land has to do the same. The IP isn't suited for that kind of theme park land. It's not just the architecture that will make the land great it's the Falcon and the droids and the overall environment. I don't know why you keep wanting to ignore parts of the land and judge it based only on the architecture. IMHO they can still do a good job transporting you to the Star Wars Universe without recreating a scene from one of the movies. I can respect it as a difference of opinion if you don't feel the same.

HPL is immersive even without streetmosphere, Disney's concept art looks like the ancient computer game Myst. And frankly its lazy because this allows Disney to build an environment without something to compare it to im sure it will be 'pretty' but immersive. Disney could have chosen to build Mos Eisley and the cantina and people would have been over the moon.

If it was as well done as Quarks Bar in the old LVH SW fans the world over would have been delighted.

Plus that would have been a perfect segue into the Falcon attraction Im not an imagineer and im not even a SW fan and this is obvious

 

[ford91exploder]

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Exactly my point...The stories are all about the ships, droids and characters...Not iconic architecture... Has the setting they are building been featured in one of the movies? I missed the last film but have seen the others...It doesn't look familiar to me.

 

[HMF]

This might be a tad political but I felt it fit in with the "Downfall of once-great Companies" that we have been discussing.
https://evonomics.com/what-happens-when-you-believe-in-ayn-rand-and-modern-economic-theory/

 

[Mike S]

Also, Pandora is much more then a mix bag. For one the detail of the land is fantastic, it's beautiful both organically yet still has plenty of plant life from the movie. Are there misses? Sure, but to act like this isn't one of the best lands to open in Orlando since the original Harry Potter is just dumb. I love Harry Potter and I LOVE Diagon Ally but the the headliner for the land is mediocre at best and if we're comparing the headliners.......

I said nothing of the headliners if you're referring to me. Flight of Passage definitely outshines Gringotts. The land however isn't as effective as Diagon Alley as far as transporting me into that world. It appears far too manmade to convince me I'm on the beautifully lush natural world of Pandora. Even though it's nothing but "screenz" the headliner nails this to a T while the land outside, pretty as it may be, does not.

 

[ford91exploder]

This might be a tad political but I felt it fit in with the "Downfall of once-great Companies" that we have been discussing.
https://evonomics.com/what-happens-when-you-believe-in-ayn-rand-and-modern-economic-theory/

The interesting thing is the author used Sears as an example where every B/U competes with every other B/U.

What Company does the EXACT same thing.

Disney!, And it's rampant at WDW where every group has their own management chain and is described as an unpleasant place to work because of this.

 

[Wrangler-Rick]

You forgot the most likely option mothballing the attraction for years

I'm thinking with a little paint and some cardboard they can turn the loading area into the Death Star Meet and Greet.....

 

[Bocabear]

I said nothing of the headliners if you're referring to me. Flight of Passage definitely outshines Gringotts. The land however isn't as effective as Diagon Alley as far as transporting me into that world. It appears far too manmade to convince me I'm on the beautifully lush natural world of Pandora. Even though it's nothing but "screenz" the headliner nails this to a T while the land outside, pretty as it may be, does not.

I agree completely...hence the mixed bag metaphor... There are places where it suceeds, and places where it falls a bit flat...

 

[PorterRedkey]

New Martin Horizons video!
It has arrived!

 

[Cesar R M]

Or you could go to the appropriate thread for that discussion where Martin has already said plenty of things. Don't know why a Spirit thread has to be a duplicate discussion of every single topic covered by their appropriate and corresponding thread.

Because this thread always contains all rumors and even some non relevant info? cheer up! you're not a mod after all.

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm thinking with a little paint and some cardboard they can turn the loading area into the Death Star Meet and Greet.....

dear god.. I bet Disney would have raised your rank.. while refusing paying you more

 

[WildcatDen]

Hey, I've never questioned the fact that SWL is coming to Disney my issue is and has been the timeline for its opening

No matter how many times you say it, you cannot rewire your past statements that SWL would not be done. Then once ground clearing started you said it would not be built and the fact nothing was going vertical proved your point. Now with things progressing and going vertical, you say it will be built but it will be lousy. If we all get to rewrite history, can I play? How about one of the 4 Vikings Super Bowl losses?

 

[BrianLo]

No matter how many times you say it, you cannot rewire your past statements that SWL would not be done. Then once ground clearing started you said it would not be built and the fact nothing was going vertical proved your point. Now with things progressing and going vertical, you say it will be built but it will be lousy. If we all get to rewrite history, can I play? How about one of the 4 Vikings Super Bowl losses?

For posterity and to prevent a "BZZT, WRONG!"

He actually started by thinking it was a great idea and calling them out for not having a plan for Star Wars and was nearly certain Force Awakens would be a huge money loser...

If Iger's Star Wars tentpoles bomb at the box office. Which they in all likelyhood WILL because too much money will be spent on them (recall original Star Wars only cost 10M to film). A limited budget enhances the filmmakers creativity, Unlimited budgets encourage the suits to dump in the 'effect of the day' because marketing tells them that this explosion type sells X tickets, Not that it makes any sense for the story.

If and When StarWars sequel bombs at box office Disney's stock will follow. If I had to guess they will probably blow 400-600 million on the sequel.

They need to build it NOW before HP 3.0, Or just sell the rights to UNI who will actually DO something with them.

My feelings about AVATAR are well known, But Disney NOT capitalizing on the Star Wars franchise is beyond stupid it's an IP which appeals to people from 5 to 70+

Then redacted that once rumours started circulating and predicted it would not be built under current Disney leadership...

Because Iger is fundamentally non-creative and additionally has no respect for creatives he does not understand the Star Wars experience which spans multiple generations and has fan fiction as well as the 501'st Legion.

But I don't expect anything to get built at WDW under the Iger regime.

Then once it was more solidly established questioned that it would actually be up to any form of standard... or maintained it wouldn't be built...

28 acres a grand total of 4 rides, Color me underhwhelmed, I don't find it exciting because I don't believe it's going to happen or if it does it will be scaled way back,

ie some merch and a couple of Meet-n-Gropes

Yeah so exciting some off the shelf flat carnie rides with overscaled fibreglas statuary and a mythical land for which not a single contract has been let or a permit pulled.

Then seemed to admit it would be built, but not on any sort of timeline that everyone seemed to state...

The pool is open for how long this remains a empty lot, I'm in for a decade.

2019 is the date the Pixie Dusters are using I'm betting on 2022-23 for SWL in WDW

Then promised us his opinion would definitely change once the actual construction was established...

If I saw construction taking place and things going vertical I'd have a lot different opinion about these projects. The LACK of construction tells me at least that this is corporate fluff and they MAY build if their internal polling and surveys tell them that there is enough 'demand'.

two words

SHOW ME

Rinse and repeat the cycle with the newest rumour for the resort hotel...

If Disney did a cosplay resort experience it would be a license to print money but it would also be expensive to operate. TDO would never approve as its the cheap crap which appeals to them. This is something that only a company like OLC could execute

 

[ford91exploder]

No matter how many times you say it, you cannot rewire your past statements that SWL would not be done. Then once ground clearing started you said it would not be built and the fact nothing was going vertical proved your point. Now with things progressing and going vertical, you say it will be built but it will be lousy. If we all get to rewrite history, can I play? How about one of the 4 Vikings Super Bowl losses?

I really love how people try to put words in my mouth,

What ive said is Wall Street will not allow Disney to open TWO SWL's at the SAME time, And i still hold to that opinion.

I will not be surprised when in mid 2018 or so Disney announces there are issues with the construction site which will delay completion at least a year already insiders are saying 6 months after DL opens. My estimate for DHS SWL was 2022-23 as i recall

Ill enjoy munching popcorn while the fanbois breathlessly await DHS SWL to open.

Only time will tell as to the actual opening date