A Spirited Valentine ...

Bairstow

Bairstow

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ford91exploder said:
Yes I did say that the closures at DHS were cost cutting and they WERE cost cutting because nothing was done for 12-18 months after the attractions closed during that period not a spoonful of dirt was moved.

Yep I also said TFA COULD bomb at the box office, No I still have not seen it and have no intention of seeing it. And it was the trailer which put me off when BB-8 went speeding past the camera I said to myself this movie is about selling toys not entertainment and I wrote off the SW series at that point. Obviously the moviegoing public disagrees with me..

If TFA HAD bombed the pressure from Wall Street would have been IMMENSE to deep six all plans for a Star Wars related theme park attraction.

You can forecast what I'll say about any investment TWDC chooses to make if you follow the following formula
as of right now Wall Street is Disney's customer, Not the Guest so any choice Disney makes will be to please Wall St if there is choice to be made between Wall Street and Guests, The choice will be in favor of Wall Street. Why else has the culture of 'cut to the bone' and we must run rides to failure taken hold at WDW/DL?, or the 'Hospital Room' decor which is the go forward design in the 'Deluxe' hotels as seen in the YC refurb.

Also note when I said flat rides and 3rd track for TSMM at the time SWL had NOT been officially greenlit for DHS, Rumored by the reliable insiders yes officially announced by Disney no.

Tell me minus SWL what is DHS getting why yes Flat Rides (TSL) and a 3rd track for TSMM, There is NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER for DHS not having the flat rides online within a year of closing the attractions those are commercial off the shelf rides which have been duplicated a couple of times already.
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So you're saying they should just set up the "flat rides" in the parking lot or where ever until they finish grading and landscaping the rest of Toy Story land?

What about the custom Slinky dog coaster they're building? That's not off the shelf.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
GoofGoof said:
Toy Story Land had more attractions planned?

Keep in mind, according to @ParentsOf4 post TWDC spent $55B on stock buybacks. If they didn't spend that money on stock buybacks they would not have invested all of it in the P&R division. They could have spent on Studios or TV or even on strategic acquisitions of complimentary companies. Even the portion of the money spent on P&R would have been spread amongst the existing parks and potentially towards building whole new parks. WDW wouldn't have gotten an extra $50B of investment. It's not necessarily that Disney cut existing budgets to buy stock back, more like they allocated less total free cash flows to capex and as a result had less money budgeted in the first place. This did lead to projects being delayed or more spread out over time.
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No realistic person would expect that Disney would spend that money on the P&R division, 5-10 billion perhaps on a really good day.

Disney could have made strategic purchases of companies to position themselves to jump to the next generation of content delivery instead of being mired in the broadcast/cable model. The ESPN comet is poised to hit Planet Disney dead on in 2019-2020 when ESPN SG&A costs will exceed ESPN's total revenues.

The share repurchases have served to paper over many cracks in Disney's increasingly antiquated way of doing business. But the money train pulled by ESPN is going to come to a screeching halt and then all the ugly little secrets will come to light. The results will NOT be pretty. Iger despite his '

One of the most obvious telltales of Disney's inability to manage tech is www.go.com, Disney bought the GO network back in 1998 and here 19 YEARS later they have not been able to integrate GO into Disney's internet presence. Just visit WWW.GO.COM for giggles.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Bairstow said:
So you're saying they should just set up the "flat rides" in the parking lot or where ever until they finish grading and landscaping the rest of Toy Story land?

What about the custom Slinky dog coaster they're building? That's not off the shelf.
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Slinky dog is very much 'off the shelf' with fiberglas fairings to add the slinky dog head and tail.
 
FigmentForver96

FigmentForver96

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Bocabear said:
but if you did not know what this concept art was for, and the Millenium Falcon were not in the drawing, would everyone recognize this as a Star Wars land? This doesn't resemble anything iconic from the first 6 movies...and nothing that immediately says Star Wars, except for the Millenium Falcon...
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No the droids or the characters in the photos that look like they would come from that universe def do not give it away, not by a long shot. I hate to say it but you're reaching. To think this land will be anything short of spectacular is just foolish

Also, Pandora is much more then a mix bag. For one the detail of the land is fantastic, it's beautiful both organically yet still has plenty of plant life from the movie. Are there misses? Sure, but to act like this isn't one of the best lands to open in Orlando since the original Harry Potter is just dumb. I love Harry Potter and I LOVE Diagon Ally but the the headliner for the land is mediocre at best and if we're comparing the headliners.......
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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I already said, aside from the streetmosphere characters (Which include the droids and characters) and the Millenium Falcon, there is nothing that says "Star Wars" about the land...Just a military strip mining operation...and lots of rockwork... Hopefully in person it will look better, but I think most people are just happy there is something Star Wars coming...The actual design of the land looks kinda secondary...I gues that is part of the problem with a franchise that doesn't really have iconic locations...perse
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Bocabear said:
I already said, aside from the streetmosphere characters (Which include the droids and characters) and the Millenium Falcon, there is nothing that says "Star Wars" about the land...Just a military strip mining operation...and lots of rockwork... Hopefully in person it will look better, but I think most people are just happy there is something Star Wars coming...The actual design of the land looks kinda secondary...I gues that is part of the problem with a franchise that doesn't really have iconic locations...perse
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The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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Bocabear said:
I already said, aside from the streetmosphere characters (Which include the droids and characters) and the Millenium Falcon, there is nothing that says "Star Wars" about the land...Just a military strip mining operation...and lots of rockwork... Hopefully in person it will look better, but I think most people are just happy there is something Star Wars coming...The actual design of the land looks kinda secondary...I gues that is part of the problem with a franchise that doesn't really have iconic locations...perse
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It's not a knock to the franchise to say that Star Wars has no iconic locations or look. It's all in the characters/ships. In a way it's hard for Disney to screw it up since there's no real expectations, much easier than creating Potterland.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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The_Jobu said:
It's not a knock to the franchise to say that Star Wars has no iconic locations or look. It's all in the characters/ships. In a way it's hard for Disney to screw it up since there's no real expectations, much easier than creating Potterland.
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Exactly my point...The stories are all about the ships, droids and characters...Not iconic architecture... Has the setting they are building been featured in one of the movies? I missed the last film but have seen the others...It doesn't look familiar to me.
 
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Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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seascape said:
Unfortunately, CNN is no longer the news agency that Ted Turner founded. It is now like the rest of them, only after ratings and not a very good source of actual news. I hate to say it but the best source of television news was actually Aljazeera America. I originally thought they would be terrible but they were good and better then CNN, FOX or MSNBC.
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"Opinionated news".
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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GoofGoof said:
Don't make me go back and pull up quotes from 2 or 3 years ago;) You said you thought all the closures at DHS were just cost cutting and all that was going to be added were flat rides and a 3rd track for TSMM. I think you also predicted Force Awakens could bomb at the box office and that would force them to cancel Star Wars Land:)
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Technically he was right if we do not take SWL land.
We're losing a few rides, while adding barely a few. And Toy Story land will by itself look.. pretty bland.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Cesar R M said:
Does this means the full blown Magic Kingdom v2 overhaul to epcot? changes to space ship one and changes to illuminations?

@marni1971 !!!! SAVE US FROM THIS! D:
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Or you could go to the appropriate thread for that discussion where Martin has already said plenty of things. Don't know why a Spirit thread has to be a duplicate discussion of every single topic covered by their appropriate and corresponding thread.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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Bocabear said:
but if you did not know what this concept art was for, and the Millenium Falcon were not in the drawing, would everyone recognize this as a Star Wars land? This doesn't resemble anything iconic from the first 6 movies...and nothing that immediately says Star Wars, except for the Millenium Falcon...
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How do you distinguish the flat, blank beige walls of the Mos Eisley Cantina from other flat, blank beige walls?
 

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