The_Jobu
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Atta boy.
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Atta boy.
truecoat
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A couple Han Solo tidbits from the hollywood reporter. Sounds like Miller and Lord weren't sticking to the script and were adding more humor. This didn't go over well with Kasdan who views Han Solo as sarcastic and selfish and didn't appreciate the deviations of character. Shooting was on a hiatus to review what was shot and clear the air.
In the mean time, M and L went to DC to try and get the Flash gig back while on hiatus. What is not known is if they did it before or after they were fired or quit. At this point who cares, I just hope the movie is better for it. The last thing I want from the Han Solo movie is something that looks like 23 Jump Street in space.
In the mean time, M and L went to DC to try and get the Flash gig back while on hiatus. What is not known is if they did it before or after they were fired or quit. At this point who cares, I just hope the movie is better for it. The last thing I want from the Han Solo movie is something that looks like 23 Jump Street in space.
wannabeBelle
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Many years ago at one of the Star Wars Weekend, there was a full scale X wing fighter as a prop for a photo opportunity in one of the buildings. My friend and I got to don jedi robes and grab a lightsaber to stand in front of it, way cool!!! I miss Star Wars Weekends!! Marie
The_Jobu
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So they were attached to Flash, quit, and now want it back?
Haymarket2008
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I definitely agree. But I think that it was a good decision to make it safe as a way to get new people back into the story/start up a new trilogy. Just like Empire Strikes Back, the second movie is sure to go to some darker places and set a different course for the characters. Now, if it's too similar too Empire...then that is something to raise eyebrows
Quinnmac000
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They were chosen because that was their style and Lucasfilm were trying to get away from a serious film. Secondly, it wasn't the humor. It was the fact they were improvising. Kasdan had a fit and was like stick to the lines forgetting one of the best star wars lines were improvised. Kathleen had a fit because they didn't fit into the pictures and too relaxed.
Seems they would rather have puppets than actual real directors putting in real input.
Kman101
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Oh I agree. I liked Force Awakens. It was the smart move to do what they did. I suspect it could follow a similar formula as Empire but I have no spoilers to back that assumption up. Just a hunch.
Princess Leia
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Well, someone has to lose an arm. It's a 'second film in the trilogy' tradition!
Bairstow
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Princess Leia
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I still want the Han Solo film to be shut down. I really like the cast (still wish Anthony Ingruber got the lead role though), but it's the story that worries me.
In the original film, Han is very much a scoundrel who's kind of in it for himself. He knows he's got a bounty on him, and wants to take the money to Jabba to remove that conflict. He shoots Greedo (first, not in reaction), bashes Ben's religion (if you want to call The Force a religion), and doesn't want to have anything to do with rescuing Leia until he hears about the money. Han doesn't seem to have a change of heart until he says goodbye to Luke before the Death Star battle. His change in attitude and character is evident throughout the rest of the films:
Lucas already up Han's characterization in the movie by having him shoot Greedo in self defense. Han is supposed to go from selfish smuggler to smuggler-with-a-heart-of-gold, not smuggler-on-the-run-who-had-a-heart-of-gold-all-along. That's why his return to smuggling in TFA is supposed to hurt. We saw him transform from one person to another, and it took immense heartbreak to bring him back to where he began. I'm afraid that the Han Solo movie would make him a little too similar to Indiana Jones. Both have the Harrison Ford trademark, but early Han Solo would definitely tick Indy off (I'm imagining that a lot of Han's smuggling would result in a "That belongs in a museum!" speech from Indy).
In the original film, Han is very much a scoundrel who's kind of in it for himself. He knows he's got a bounty on him, and wants to take the money to Jabba to remove that conflict. He shoots Greedo (first, not in reaction), bashes Ben's religion (if you want to call The Force a religion), and doesn't want to have anything to do with rescuing Leia until he hears about the money. Han doesn't seem to have a change of heart until he says goodbye to Luke before the Death Star battle. His change in attitude and character is evident throughout the rest of the films:
- Empire- risks his life to find and save Luke in below-freezing temperatures
- Empire (again)- chooses to stay on Hoth to get Leia out, instead of running with Chewie (which he would have done at the beginning of ANH)
- Empire (seriously, this movie is great for the 'Han's characterization' bit)- Han ordering Chewie not to fight or run, but to stay alive to look out for Leia
- RotJ- Becomes a major part of the rebellion
Lucas already up Han's characterization in the movie by having him shoot Greedo in self defense. Han is supposed to go from selfish smuggler to smuggler-with-a-heart-of-gold, not smuggler-on-the-run-who-had-a-heart-of-gold-all-along. That's why his return to smuggling in TFA is supposed to hurt. We saw him transform from one person to another, and it took immense heartbreak to bring him back to where he began. I'm afraid that the Han Solo movie would make him a little too similar to Indiana Jones. Both have the Harrison Ford trademark, but early Han Solo would definitely tick Indy off (I'm imagining that a lot of Han's smuggling would result in a "That belongs in a museum!" speech from Indy).
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FigmentJedi
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Yeah, it's always been a merch juggernaut. So much so that George has said it didn't matter what alien/ship designs he picked out, they'd just be turned into toys anyway, regardless of whether or not they were marketable and toyetic enough.
Princess Leia
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Forgot to add this- Han would have to end his solo (buh-dum-tiss) film in a jaded sort of way if we're to believe that he's a selfish smuggler by the time of A New Hope. I'm guessing that the Falcon will trade hands between Lando and Han, so that's one rift (Lando refers to the Falcon as his ship in Empire, so there's clearly still a bit of wounded pride there).
Secondly, he could possibly start smuggling for Jabba, which in a way, takes away some of his own control (can't be your own boss when you're working for someone else). My guess (if the film continues)? Han doesn't get the girl (probably not Thandie; idk if it'll be Emilia Clarke or Phoebe Waller-Bridge, but my guess is that it's Emilia). She either dies (too obvious) or she betrays him, making him trust no one but Chewy (and Lando, maybe).
Secondly, he could possibly start smuggling for Jabba, which in a way, takes away some of his own control (can't be your own boss when you're working for someone else). My guess (if the film continues)? Han doesn't get the girl (probably not Thandie; idk if it'll be Emilia Clarke or Phoebe Waller-Bridge, but my guess is that it's Emilia). She either dies (too obvious) or she betrays him, making him trust no one but Chewy (and Lando, maybe).
Phil12
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Um, No it was Robert Moses who chose WED Enterprises to build the Disney attractions. Robert Moses and Walt Disney had a quid pro quo arrangement in which both profited handsomely although the 1964 New York World's Fair lost money.
Princess Leia
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Seriously, all I can think of is that something is going to happen to him to make him pretty jaded, so the movie should end on a bittersweet note, at best (Han wrecked his friendship with Lando, and he might be working for Jabba, but he has the Falcon and Chewie at his side).
I keep thinking about Firefly, a show where at least four characters had shades of Han (Mal, Wash, Zoe, Jayne). Mal and Zoe were the jaded smugglers with wounded pride, Jayne was the smuggler who had more shades of selfishness than the others, and Wash was the pilot. Han in Episode IV is a pretty solid mix of the 4 of them, but with a heavy dose of Jayne's selfishness. I would not have been a fan of Firefly if everyone acted like Jayne Cobb.
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ford91exploder
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You do realize that Robert Moses basically built all the infrastructure for today's New York City, The bridges, tunnels, airports and expressways. Robert Moses was a state employee
jakeman
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If only there were a trilogy of books that detailed Han Solo's early life and tied it all together...
Oh wait...there was...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Han_Solo_Trilogy
RandySavage
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It's true. But politicians and agency heads here and elsewhere have a tendency to specialize in graft (i.e., Shel Silver).
Princess Leia
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I really wish Disney could just use some of the EU (er, Legends) material (I'm so upset that we're not getting Mara Jade). Use a condensed version of this backstory (showing the big stuff, like the Kessel run, Lando & Han's friendship, Jabba, Boba Fett, Greedo, Han getting the Falcon, Bria), but leave a couple years between the end of the Solo film and ANH.
Idk if it's still a possibility, but it'd be kind of fun to see Cassian or Jyn in the movie. Not in a major role, but a couple of appearances would be nice.
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