A Spirited Valentine ...

Sonconato

Well-Known Member
Is this a new 'magical moment' experience in Frontierland? I was walking by lasst evening and out of nowhere all these characters/dancers just appeared and started a hoedown flash mob. It was great fun and. If it was a test, I hope it continues.
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It's the Hoedown Happening and it's usually a few times a day on certain days. For a while now I have been seeing the 6:00 one every Saturday. It's one of the few times you can see the characters out and about.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
So what do you want them to do? Let everyone tour Imagineering to see all the latest developments? They are obviously very secretive and for good reason. Other companies don't have theme parks to look at. There is no conspiracy other than what the people here make up.
Apple is a very secretive company and is not giving tours of its development centers. Tours of Walt Disney Imagineering is ridiculous and not at all similar to what was mentioned. The Walt Disney Company having its Annual Meeting in different locations is a very, very recent change. Before these past few years the meetings were rather consistently in either Southern California or Orlando.

Why do people think this blurry, building-shaped building in the far background of this shot is supposed to be TOT?
The deluded belief that the theme parks are an important part of the studios' thoughts. With almost every movie we get "Cleary Scene Y was made so that it could be turned into a ride."
 

GiveMeTheMusic

Well-Known Member
It's not entirely unheard of.

Did you know that there's a Starspeeder 1000 in the background on Jakku in The Force Awakens?


Yeah but that's not a blurry shape, it's clearly a Starspeeder. This Thor trailer shot is a blurry regular building looking building. Why would they hide it in there and then blur it out so no one can see it?

Until the movie comes out and there's an actual shot of the building that looks like TOT, this is wishful fan thinking
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Some quick (not really - it will be a novel) thoughts on the state of DLRP and the 25th.

-First off the place looks great, nearly across the board. Such a difference from my first forary there, admittedly which was about as dark as the parks got and an overpacked summer day no less. I had a realization that DLP is the only castle park now without something that drastically needs to be ripped out, fixed or plussed. It really is the perfect castle park in many regards, even if it's fallen behind on steady expansion due to various factors. That's a testament to how much they've fixed the place up.

-The 25th was... fine. Yes, it's great the park itself is in working order. I really liked the theme behind the 25th (even if it revisits the DLR 60th colour palate). The 25th really wasn't meant for me. The night show was a step up from Shanghai's due to intimacy, but I was not a fan of Shanghai's show. The parade is great. I've actually never seen Festival of Fantasy, so hugely impressed by that Malificient float, as were the crowds. After that it's an anniversary built around fixing what needed to be fixed and that includes the lauaghably late Star Tours conversion. The anniversary dressings were well appointed for Main Street, but quickly fall off and are pretty non-existent in WDS. Again, not an anniversary meant for me, but really meager compared to DL's 60th, Tokyo's 30th and SDL's opening timeframe. It's great for Paris, but all things being equal if this was WDW's 50th (two late overlays, a good but cobbled parade, a partially borrowed night spectacular) people would not be generous enough to call it 'fine'.

-If DLP is the shining example from Disney learning from past mistakes and correcting most of them, WDS is where they decided to ignore everyone lesson and make a few more.

-To be fair, Mickey and the Magician falls technically into the 25th bucket. Hands down the best Animation 'revue' style show I have seen from Disney. This is quite honestly the strongest offering they have in that entire park, it really is a wonderful, unique offering. It played to packed houses and was very well received.

-Finally got on Ratatouille. I liked it, not loved it. It makes pretty much all of the same mistakes Gringotts does, except I had generally lowered expectations. Plus the attraction itself doesn't build like it's the second coming, in the same way the potter attraction does. Some scenes work really well, of course the practical ones. The load area is amazing, and the unload throws back to Blue Bayou, or tries to. The intimate screen scenes work really well too...

Light spoiler
Again, these weird IMAX scenes for some reason just don't work for me, the screen to set integration on the large scenes was lacking. Finally, I'm surprised there is no actual movement of the vehicles themselves when you are locked into a scene. There should be motion platforms for a couple of them. Very Shreklike where co-riders are squealing with delight, saying 'whee' and my brain can't get over the fact it knows we aren't moving at all.

I'm fine with it as a stop-gap for world showcase. But it very much needs to be the third, fourth or fifth in line of new offerings. If they in any way try to hang the redo on it, I don't think people will be impressed. It adds to several strong attractions at WDS, but it's not an attraction worth planning a trip to see.

-First time seeing the Disneyland hotel not behind scrims and the gardens walled off. SDL... that is how you design gardens. What an entrance that park has.

-Downtown Disney is not aging well. 90's strip mall meets Vegas retail design sensibilities.

-Discoveryland is aging 'ok'. Space mountain is cool, but cool because it is heavily ornamented. I mentioned earlier I don't think it's an actual improvement over the original anymore. Even with new trains, I find it's a bit uncomfortable. In terms of a more thrilling layout, Tron is the way better coaster. Coaster, not set dressings. Honestly, I think I'm slowly less wow'd by the colour palate. It's certainly not Tomorrowland 98, but I worry a bit the bronze, copper and teal are starting to look a bit '90's' and not timeless like they should. I guess it's not tomorrowland after all, but I gravitate to the blues used in Star Tours more than the copper/teal. The colour palate for Shanghai is spot on, even if the land has tons of other issues Discoveryland does not.

-The non-ride attractions in DLP are just so stellar. Stop and smell the roses in DLP! Do the opposite in WDS, that's a park that's better if you just focus on attractions. It's a dichotomous pairing for sure.

-I had no CM complaints, but boy are quick serves still aggressively slow. Some of the longest waits are the deceptively small lines in every restaraunt.

-Finally, this was my first time actually getting onto Big Thunder in DLP. I think I'll be revising where Big Thunder falls into my list of favourite attractions. That's the tour de force of DLP's design, what a wonderful attraction!

This was a happy cheap fare accident trip. I wasn't planning on even going to DLP for a while (~400USD from Calgary). But now that the 25th is done, I definitely feel I've seen it enough times recently. Don't worry, the trip was actually about taking the train up to Copenhagen for me.

I'm excited for the big investment package they've got coming eventually (presumably being Marvel heavy to be discussed at D23). I imagine this will be the last visit I'll carve out for a good five years or so, unless some major expansion starts tomorrow. DLP is worth seeing for its great shape, but if you've already done most of the attractions before, I don't know if it should be a priority over a first time to one of the Chinese parks.

Apologies... written on my iPhone.
 
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Kman101

Well-Known Member
Because it looks like it.
Yeah but that's not a blurry shape, it's clearly a Starspeeder. This Thor trailer shot is a blurry regular building looking building. Why would they hide it in there and then blur it out so no one can see it?

Until the movie comes out and there's an actual shot of the building that looks like TOT, this is wishful fan thinking

It looks just like it. It's not wishful thinking on my part to see it anywhere in the movie. But I agree it's being assumed, it's not confirmed. It's slightly blurry but it does look similar. I could care less if it's in the movie but it does look like it. What is it then?
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Because it looks like it.


It looks just like it. It's not wishful thinking on my part to see it anywhere in the movie. But I agree it's being assumed, it's not confirmed. It's slightly blurry but it does look similar. I could care less if it's in the movie but it does look like it. What is it then?
The building is a bulky rectangle. A blurry cereal box looks similar.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
It's not entirely unheard of.

Did you know that there's a Starspeeder 1000 in the background on Jakku in The Force Awakens?

Wouldn't a Star Speeder 3000 make more sense with the timeline? Then again neither version of Star Tours is canon so I guess anything goes.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
So if Starspeeder 1000 vehicles existed in TFA where do the 3000s come in?
Technically the 3000s only exist in the "Legends" Continuity as do both versions of Star Tours. Only The existence of Star Tours as a company and apparently the Star Speeder 1000 are canonical.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Good to know!
That being said, They seem to be re-canonizing pretty much anything that can be re-canonized and not contradict the new material recently so you never know. Personally I am operating on the assumption that the majority of the "Legends" material is quasi-canonical until it's contradicted.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Apple is a very secretive company and is not giving tours of its development centers. Tours of Walt Disney Imagineering is ridiculous and not at all similar to what was mentioned. The Walt Disney Company having its Annual Meeting in different locations is a very, very recent change. Before these past few years the meetings were rather consistently in either Southern California or Orlando.


The deluded belief that the theme parks are an important part of the studios' thoughts. With almost every movie we get "Cleary Scene Y was made so that it could be turned into a ride."

Not to mention that AAPL's reasarch and development centers are even off limits to most AAPL employees...
 

Nmoody1

Well-Known Member
Some quick (not really - it will be a novel) thoughts on the state of DLRP and the 25th.

-First off the place looks great, nearly across the board. Such a difference from my first forary there, admittedly which was about as dark as the parks got and an overpacked summer day no less. I had a realization that DLP is the only castle park now without something that drastically needs to be ripped out, fixed or plussed. It really is the perfect castle park in many regards, even if it's fallen behind on steady expansion due to various factors. That's a testament to how much they've fixed the place up.

-The 25th was... fine. Yes, it's great the park itself is in working order. I really liked the theme behind the 25th (even if it revisits the DLR 60th colour palate). The 25th really wasn't meant for me. The night show was a step up from Shanghai's due to intimacy, but I was not a fan of Shanghai's show. The parade is great. I've actually never seen Festival of Fantasy, so hugely impressed by that Malificient float, as were the crowds. After that it's an anniversary built around fixing what needed to be fixed and that includes the lauaghably late Star Tours conversion. The anniversary dressings were well appointed for Main Street, but quickly fall off and are pretty non-existent in WDS. Again, not an anniversary meant for me, but really meager compared to DL's 60th, Tokyo's 30th and SDL's opening timeframe. It's great for Paris, but all things being equal if this was WDW's 50th (two late overlays, a good but cobbled parade, a partially borrowed night spectacular) people would not be generous enough to call it 'fine'.

-If DLP is the shining example from Disney learning from past mistakes and correcting most of them, WDS is where they decided to ignore everyone lesson and make a few more.

-To be fair, Mickey and the Magician falls technically into the 25th bucket. Hands down the best Animation 'revue' style show I have seen from Disney. This is quite honestly the strongest offering they have in that entire park, it really is a wonderful, unique offering. It played to packed houses and was very well received.

-Finally got on Ratatouille. I liked it, not loved it. It makes pretty much all of the same mistakes Gringotts does, except I had generally lowered expectations. Plus the attraction itself doesn't build like it's the second coming, in the same way the potter attraction does. Some scenes work really well, of course the practical ones. The load area is amazing, and the unload throws back to Blue Bayou, or tries to. The intimate screen scenes work really well too...

Light spoiler
Again, these weird IMAX scenes for some reason just don't work for me, the screen to set integration on the large scenes was lacking. Finally, I'm surprised there is no actual movement of the vehicles themselves when you are locked into a scene. There should be motion platforms for a couple of them. Very Shreklike where co-riders are squealing with delight, saying 'whee' and my brain can't get over the fact it knows we aren't moving at all.

I'm fine with it as a stop-gap for world showcase. But it very much needs to be the third, fourth or fifth in line of new offerings. If they in any way try to hang the redo on it, I don't think people will be impressed. It adds to several strong attractions at WDS, but it's not an attraction worth planning a trip to see.

-First time seeing the Disneyland hotel not behind scrims and the gardens walled off. SDL... that is how you design gardens. What an entrance that park has.

-Downtown Disney is not aging well. 90's strip mall meets Vegas retail design sensibilities.

-Discoveryland is aging 'ok'. Space mountain is cool, but cool because it is heavily ornamented. I mentioned earlier I don't think it's an actual improvement over the original anymore. Even with new trains, I find it's a bit uncomfortable. In terms of a more thrilling layout, Tron is the way better coaster. Coaster, not set dressings. Honestly, I think I'm slowly less wow'd by the colour palate. It's certainly not Tomorrowland 98, but I worry a bit the bronze, copper and teal are starting to look a bit '90's' and not timeless like they should. I guess it's not tomorrowland after all, but I gravitate to the blues used in Star Tours more than the copper/teal. The colour palate for Shanghai is spot on, even if the land has tons of other issues Discoveryland does not.

-The non-ride attractions in DLP are just so stellar. Stop and smell the roses in DLP! Do the opposite in WDS, that's a park that's better if you just focus on attractions. It's a dichotomous pairing for sure.

-I had no CM complaints, but boy are quick serves still aggressively slow. Some of the longest waits are the deceptively small lines in every restaraunt.

-Finally, this was my first time actually getting onto Big Thunder in DLP. I think I'll be revising where Big Thunder falls into my list of favourite attractions. That's the tour de force of DLP's design, what a wonderful attraction!

This was a happy cheap fare accident trip. I wasn't planning on even going to DLP for a while (~400USD from Calgary). But now that the 25th is done, I definitely feel I've seen it enough times recently. Don't worry, the trip was actually about taking the train up to Copenhagen for me.

I'm excited for the big investment package they've got coming eventually (presumably being Marvel heavy to be discussed at D23). I imagine this will be the last visit I'll carve out for a good five years or so, unless some major expansion starts tomorrow. DLP is worth seeing for its great shape, but if you've already done most of the attractions before, I don't know if it should be a priority over a first time to one of the Chinese parks.

Apologies... written on my iPhone.


Was there three week and totally echo all of this.

Mickey and Magician is a DCL quality show! Effects are great. It's a good length. Pleases all ages.

The 25th anniversary castle shows were both great... especially as Elsa wasn't anywhere to be seen! :)

Quick service is not quick! Anywhere! Hotel staff were amazing, all cast members we encountered were polite and friendly.

Toilets blew my mind at how clean they all were! Was seriously impressed! And toilet paper of real thickness!! Who knew?!

Parade was good. I didn't love the music, but it was ok.

Paris really is sparkling for its 25th. Rightly so, great job by Catherine Powell and the whole team! I feel like this is Paris chance to show it's reborn and is well and truly back in the theme park business!
 

Kman101

Well-Known Member
I'll have to see the Paris parade in person but I love the quirky fun music more than a few of the floats ... still debating between Paris or Anaheim later in the year. I might try to do both, I'm really itching to get back to Disneyland. I haven't been since 2008 ... I might try to swing a California trip at the end of the month and Paris in the fall. We'll see ... airfare wasn't awful to either.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
In the ala carte programming model in a study by TIVO

Disney does very well in the ala carte channel model with ABC as the number one pick overall, However this is marred as usual by ESPN being number 19 followed by FS1 at 36,

Note in this survey ESPN DOES beat The Weather Channel which is number 20

The overall message seems to be that sports are simply not as valuable a property as they once were probably because Americans are so busy working they don't have time to watch whole games anymore and we may be returning to the time when radio play by play and box scores were the method most got their sports fix from.

http://www.fiercecable.com/broadcas...desirable-a-la-carte-channels-tivo-study-says

The survey has a good measurement, but your leaps from it are poor. That metric only measures the broadness of appeal of a product -- it does not measure the **level** of interest within a product and how strong the attachment is. AKA how strong an attachment is WITHIN the audience for the product.

Ex: If surveyed nationally, the level of interest for a Univ of Florida channel would be low. But within the demographic of those interested, the willingness to pay would be significantly higher for that product, than other products that may have broader appeal.

Your leap ignores the reality that while a sport may not have BROAD appeal, it's level of commitment may go DEEP within it's audience.. and hence still be very valuable.
 

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