I am not a liar, and I have never called you a liar. What proof did you post about any of it? Your copy of an alleged agenda for Igers visit to China? You have never even answered the question about whether it was an initial draft, a final version, or something in between. The question was also asked about the quotes. Where did they come from? You? Someone in China? Not really a hard question to answer. Why are you dodging it? Again, I'm NOT questioning that you received some sort of agenda, but was it the final agenda that was really used for his trip, or an early draft, and who made the comments? And how do we know that the agenda wasn't changed time and time again once they got there?
First, I don't work here. If I didn't see your post or didn't respond in a timely fashion that doesn't make my information suspect. I called you a liar (and I know that was harsh) because that's what you were suggesting, just like a handful of people I've decided it's best for all here if I simply ignore. What proof are you searching for? What exactly will convince you that my narrative is, indeed, the correct one or largely so?
But also understand that you -- and anyone else -- is allowed to not believe. What are you are not allowed to do is post 34 pages of thousand plus word rants where the whole point is to make me out to be someone who is being dishonest. And that is why I likely missed your original post. Do you know how many times I've had to skip pages because 16 of 20 posts were simply distraction bombs? Those are the people, whether you believe me or not, you should have an issue with.
The document that I provided was not an initial draft. There's an answer for you.
As far as I know, it was the final version. Could something have been changed at last minute? Of course. There's another answer for you.
The bullet points came from a source. I've already answered that one multiple times. The quotes referenced in some of those points were left as such to maintain the integrity of the information as it was relayed to me.
I am not dodging anything. I decided that I couldn't and wouldn't spend 15 hours a day on a fan site going back and forth with people who were just playing around when I was serious.
As to your final point, we know the agenda was changed (likely multiple times AFTER Bob and Tom and their minions arrived in China). Again, unless you believe they went there to not be seen at two of the most important milestones for the company and their careers. If you believe that, then you are mistaken. But nothing will change that, so please move on.
It has now been over four years since Robert A. Iger has been photographed or seen publicly with his and Disney's 'partners'. This is being marketed as the single largest investment by a foreign company in China and has been repeatedly cited by Iger himself as being an essential step in expanding the BRAND. Something is very wrong here. I think you have to be smart enough to realize something's wrong here, as should anyone. This isn't how partnerships work. Not here and not in China. You agree or disagree and move on. ... I hear they have tasty ribs at DAK now, you could talk about them for instance.
Yes, you broke the news that Frozen was coming to Maelstrom long before anyone. I was not questioning that. I was asking if you knew about the information the WSJ posted BEFORE they did, and if so, why didn't you post it here before they did? You do love to scoop everyone, and we love that you do! I understand that you are focusing your efforts on China and SDL right now, but aren't you getting any other inside information that you can post here?
No, I didn't actually. I was first person to CONFIRM it, first with a friend in Glendale and second with an Imagineer working on the project who was a featured speaker on the Panama Canal Wonder cruise last spring that Angie and I took. ... No, I didn't have a blow by blow, scene by scene description of the attraction. Even when I get that kind of stuff, I generally don't post it because I don't feel like spoiling an entire attraction and I hate going through 167 pages to figure out what it all mean.
@Lee and
@marni1971 are much better at docs.
Right now, I have the entire schematics of multiple Shanghai attractions. I haven't put them out because I don't feel any need, and don't want them traced to the source.
To this day, you have to go to and thru the WSJ (or a Lifestyler who borrowed from it) to get the info as Disney hasn't put it on its own blog. Tell me, you don't find that odd in the least?
As for other info, I think in just the last few weeks, I told you Fulton's and Disney Quest were closing. I told you surge pricing was coming, just a matter of where, when and how. How about that DCL waited too long to order the new ships and won't have them until next decade now? That's just recent. How about the new DVC modeling? The new units coming to WLV, including over/on the water units? How about the entire New Fantasyland in Tokyo?
Like I said, and I hate the whole defending myself against anonymous message board posters, but the record speaks for itself. You wouldn't want
@wdwmagic to place a thread with my predictions in it because my critics would have to all go cry in their virgin tiki drinks!
Maybe so, but why hasn't a paper like the Guardian broken this story? They certainly had no problem with the NSA/Snowden stuff, even if the American media ignored it - and I absolutely agree that they did, so why not something that you are calling HUGE? Heck, since this site is hosted there, you would think that they read news here as well, or is the story of Iger and SDL simply not big enough for them, since it talks about an American media company? I can't see them giving a carp about "access' to anything Disney, so I can't see them accepting a "bribe" to ignore the story.
I went to the Guardian. They were respectful, but have not been in touch of late. Maybe they're working on it, but I'm not holding my breath. This isn't my job. If all the people who think I'm so wrong went and had real reporters (if there are any left) look into it, maybe it would get attention ... being that they want to disprove something? ... Oh, and Steve can correct me, but I thought this site was hosted in Florida now (not that it is relevant). ... and this whole 'bribe' BS needs to stop. People who don't get media and don't get quid pro qous see that word and think a Disney minion like Cupcake is meeting a reporter at a shuttered dump on the Orange Blossom Trail with Mickey suitcases full of $100 bills. That isn't what this means. It isn't how it works. ... Just like partnerships in China. People are not grasping facts and arguing things that they simply do not understand.
it's OK to not understand something ... I don't understand how to treat a broken tibia, so I defer to those who do ...now, if the Dr. said we have to remove your nose to fix your leg, then my common sense might kick in. But that's not what I'm saying. The last time Bob and his partners were seen together was shoveling dirt in a hotel ballroom. He hasn't even been cited as having been seen in a meeting with them since then. Why wouldn't Disney put out a PR in the USA touting how great the trip went and what was accomplished? Oh, because it didn't and nothing was.
So to recap. In one single post you made a disparaging remark about someone's anatomy, and how they feel about you. You called me a liar, and you claim I have a weak understanding of reality. Oh, and you are responding to a post that I made to someone else, and not even one made to you. And then you don't understand why some people are getting discouraged with you around here?
And you don't seem to grasp that I am tired of being attacked by the same 3-4 people (with agendas of their own) and seeing this thread so clogged up with (expletive removed) so I can't converse with people who are saner and more objective that, yes, I may have gotten a bit emotional. That's life ... again, don't like what's on the TV here, get your tush up and change the damn channel. Don't sit in your recliner yelling at the TV like a senile old coot at a nursing home.
