A Spirited Perfect Ten

MKCP 1985

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I'm rather surprised that anyone has a use for movie reviews these days.

Perhaps because I have a difficult time trusting a stranger's opinion of a film. If I want to see something, no random person's review will dissuade me.

Personally, I may watch Tomorrowland again...
Yes, if a person is determined to see a movie then reviews won't stop them. Afterwards, if they give an honest rating of what they thought and enough others do as well then people on the fence might be influenced to pass or give it a try.

Netflix & Rotten Tomatoes user ratings have proven to be a useful predictor. They aren't a random person's opinion.

I remember being amazed at the high ratings given to the Lego Movie at Rotten Tomatoes and it turned out that a whole lot of people really loved that movie, so a lot of people who would have probably skipped it gave it a try. That's useful and positive.

The Lone Ranger, for all its aspirations, was no western classic - and I saw it despite bad reviews because I wanted to see it. Afterwards, I had to agree with the majority of reviews. So, yeah.
 

Goofyernmost

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There are also murmurs that Disney forced the contractors to pay their workers much higher wages than they normally get as well.
IF, and I repeat, IF that were true, it would have been included in the bid request and the contractor would have included it in the finale bid. If they required it and then still low balled the price, well, that would be their error. Some of them might run a job as a loser so that they can get a foot in the door with Disney. No matter what we think, they still spend a ship load of money every year in construction, re-construction and repairs. Again though, that is anticipated and planned by the contractor and really shouldn't have any reflection in the quality of work.
 

Progress.City

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As I was driving today, the car in front of me had a license plate that I thought you all would like! It says "WDW GAL". I snapped a pic!

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ScoutN

OV 104
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Cruises have never been an interest to me. Being trapped on a boat with hundreds of out of control kids and knowing Disney, no enforced "adults only" zones... It is pretty much my definition of torture.

My apologies for taking so long to reply to this as I just got off of my second DCL trip this year. The kids aren't running and screaming around whatsoever. In fact, DCL does a great job at separating the adult and kid activities to make that near a non issue. On Carnival and Royal that may be an issue depending on perspective because they have no true system set up like DCL to handle that. Another in fact, DCL serves kids promptly at dinner and whisks them away to the kids clubs to allow parents to enjoy their dinner as well as the adults in the MDRs.

The adult zones are most certainly enforced. The bartenders and wait-staff for the areas have a very tight lock on keeping kids out. We did not see many pass-through families around Cove area on Dream. When kids or a family with kids attempted to get to deck 12 on Dream they were also promptly turned around.

Plus, I have moral objections to the way they staff the boats.

Moral objections to offering decent jobs to people that are largely from third-world countries? Got it. After speaking with a great deal of them this year and trips past they all love DCL. DCL seems to be the pinnacle of cruise industry jobs and where most of them strive to get. DCL has the lowest turnover rate of the major lines with many being there since the ships started coming online. If offering a great job that the staff loves is a moral issue then I am backing away from that one.
 

Goofyernmost

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Because Disney has a **** poor reputation when it comes to how they treat their lower level US employees. It'd make a bad comparison.
OK, but, since it has been reported here that Disney doesn't have a problem accepting money from the government for construction projects (governmental grants, etc.), the government would be the one requiring it or no funds. Disney would have nothing to say about it. I cannot think of one possible reason that Disney would insists on raising their own costs just because they wanted to be nice. Can you? One way or the other, the cost of labor comes from the buyer of the construction service. Construction companies factor that in when they bid on projects. What they pay their own employees has absolutely no bearing on it or even considered.
 

Absimilliard

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My apologies for taking so long to reply to this as I just got off of my second DCL trip this year. The kids aren't running and screaming around whatsoever. In fact, DCL does a great job at separating the adult and kid activities to make that near a non issue. On Carnival and Royal that may be an issue depending on perspective because they have no true system set up like DCL to handle that. Another in fact, DCL serves kids promptly at dinner and whisks them away to the kids clubs to allow parents to enjoy their dinner as well as the adults in the MDRs.

The adult zones are most certainly enforced. The bartenders and wait-staff for the areas have a very tight lock on keeping kids out. We did not see many pass-through families around Cove area on Dream. When kids or a family with kids attempted to get to deck 12 on Dream they were also promptly turned around.




Moral objections to offering decent jobs to people that are largely from third-world countries? Got it. After speaking with a great deal of them this year and trips past they all love DCL. DCL seems to be the pinnacle of cruise industry jobs and where most of them strive to get. DCL has the lowest turnover rate of the major lines with many being there since the ships started coming online. If offering a great job that the staff loves is a moral issue then I am backing away from that one.

That's fine if they enforce the adults only zones. I just don't feel like spending a lot of money to find out if it is true for myself. My interests are elsewhere and I am more than happy to leave the cruises to those who enjoy them.
 

lazyboy97o

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OK, but, since it has been reported here that Disney doesn't have a problem accepting money from the government for construction projects (governmental grants, etc.), the government would be the one requiring it or no funds. Disney would have nothing to say about it. I cannot think of one possible reason that Disney would insists on raising their own costs just because they wanted to be nice. Can you? One way or the other, the cost of labor comes from the buyer of the construction service. Construction companies factor that in when they bid on projects. What they pay their own employees has absolutely no bearing on it or even considered.
A story about the horrible working conditions at the Shanghai Disney Resort site is why Disney would push for raising their costs.
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
Spirited 24-Hour Day Musing:

First, apologies, but I won't be commenting on China and the Tomorrowland debut until post the holiday weekend.

I did want to chime in regarding what is now an annual event (even though Disney won't tell you so, in case they decide in 2019 to not hold the 24-hour kickoff to summer) though after talking to some people who were in Anaheim and getting an interesting note regarding MK.

BTW, I've only done this event once. Last year, Angie and I wrapped up a week in Anaheim by spending our last full day and night at the parks. No, didn't get up early. I think we arrived at the parks around 10:30 in the morning. Crowds weren't bad at all until late afternoon. But by about 6 p.m., they really picked up. Angie headed back to the Grand Cali about 11:30 when DL was packed. I was going to ride Pirates, but saw a 40-minute wait and realized that I'm a bit too old for the whole scene and left for the villa. I doubt I'll ever do the event again ...on either coast. You need to be young or someone like @WDWFigment, who doesn't need sleep, to fully enjoy it. I'm only young at heart and I need a good 8-9 hours of slumber every night. It might be worth it if they had the event in Tokyo (they do have an all-night party on NYE at TDL, but it isn't a 24-hour deal and requires a special ticket ... and now I think Mr. Bricker may add this to his 'To Do' list!)

But back to Friday/Saturday ...

Apparently, DLR Ops screwed the masses royally on this one, as they have been known to do. DCA packed to the gills all night, while DL was virtually empty post fireworks. Fights out in the Esplanade. No organization. No crowd control.

I'm very curious to see if any of the social media whores (many of whom were flown out to Anaheim and given free rooms and free ... well, everything except crystal meth!) will actually give Anaheim officials the rightful bashing they deserve. You don't throw a party and then act shocked when lots of people actually show up (unless, perhaps, you're a fanboi).

That brings us to the swamps. And the MK where the 24-hour day sorta passed like the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

If you think the two paragraphs above have nothing in common, then you truly have no concept of how Disney uses and abuses social media in 2015.

A kind Spirit in WDW operations told me that ''we treated the day like simply an extended EMH night. That was what we were told to do going back months. We had a meeting months ago where [exec name withheld] told us that with all the new offerings Disneyland was premiering that the social media contingent, his/her word, not mined [sic], would all be out in Anaheim and that the purpose for the events is to utilize social media engagement to get free publicity for our summer. No considerable social media presence meant no need to actually try [and] put on a good show. The guests and fans didn't really factor into this. If we weren't ordered by Burbank to have this event, then we wouldn't have. I think anyone who attended got the idea we were going through the motions. They were right as that's all we were doing.''

So, there you have it. WDW went thru the motions because WDW management thought that was what they could get away with. Anyone spend yesterday in the Swamp Kingdom? I have a few friends who I think were going, but not sure.

BTW, apologies for accusing WDW's Top BRAND Advocate of whoring his way to Anaheim. I've been told that Lou Mongello was at WDW instead for some seminar (why do I sense a Scamway presentation?) for young leaders, so he was not at DL.

Also, been told that the new WoC is truly weak. That is lacks flow and has hugely out of place Frozen (yes, Let It Go!) and Star Wars (We're home Chewie!) segments. Sorry, but Walt had zero to do with either of these franchises. And even using DL as a jumping off point, that's still quite tenuous. But, hey they did remove a Marvel segment (no, I'm sadly not kidding!) This show was shoved down Steve Davison's throat (insert fanboi joke of your choice) by marketing people who truly have no idea what they are even selling.

Anyway, enjoy those few morsels and a safe and happy long weekend to all ... and, maybe, you could just think for five minutes of the weekend about what it symbolizes beyond picnics, beer and baseball. (or hockey if you just watched the marathon Ducks and Blackhawks game).
 

stevehousse

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Just saw Tomorrowland, decent film but NOT the one I was sold on and waited over 2 years for.

The stuff they cut better make the bluray.

I agree! It was a good film, but not great. Im assuming all the good stuff was what got cut out. really hope they release these You could easily tell there was extra stories and info to be told throughout the film, and it seemed liek whoever edited it, decided to dumb it down for the audience and cut all the juicy tidbits.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Spirited 24-Hour Day Musing:

First, apologies, but I won't be commenting on China and the Tomorrowland debut until post the holiday weekend.

I did want to chime in regarding what is now an annual event (even though Disney won't tell you so, in case they decide in 2019 to not hold the 24-hour kickoff to summer) though after talking to some people who were in Anaheim and getting an interesting note regarding MK.

BTW, I've only done this event once. Last year, Angie and I wrapped up a week in Anaheim by spending our last full day and night at the parks. No, didn't get up early. I think we arrived at the parks around 10:30 in the morning. Crowds weren't bad at all until late afternoon. But by about 6 p.m., they really picked up. Angie headed back to the Grand Cali about 11:30 when DL was packed. I was going to ride Pirates, but saw a 40-minute wait and realized that I'm a bit too old for the whole scene and left for the villa. I doubt I'll ever do the event again ...on either coast. You need to be young or someone like @WDWFigment, who doesn't need sleep, to fully enjoy it. I'm only young at heart and I need a good 8-9 hours of slumber every night. It might be worth it if they had the event in Tokyo (they do have an all-night party on NYE at TDL, but it isn't a 24-hour deal and requires a special ticket ... and now I think Mr. Bricker may add this to his 'To Do' list!)

But back to Friday/Saturday ...

Apparently, DLR Ops screwed the masses royally on this one, as they have been known to do. DCA packed to the gills all night, while DL was virtually empty post fireworks. Fights out in the Esplanade. No organization. No crowd control.

I'm very curious to see if any of the social media whores (many of whom were flown out to Anaheim and given free rooms and free ... well, everything except crystal meth!) will actually give Anaheim officials the rightful bashing they deserve. You don't throw a party and then act shocked when lots of people actually show up (unless, perhaps, you're a fanboi).

That brings us to the swamps. And the MK where the 24-hour day sorta passed like the proverbial tree falling in the forest.

If you think the two paragraphs above have nothing in common, then you truly have no concept of how Disney uses and abuses social media in 2015.

A kind Spirit in WDW operations told me that ''we treated the day like simply an extended EMH night. That was what we were told to do going back months. We had a meeting months ago where [exec name withheld] told us that with all the new offerings Disneyland was premiering that the social media contingent, his/her word, not mined [sic], would all be out in Anaheim and that the purpose for the events is to utilize social media engagement to get free publicity for our summer. No considerable social media presence meant no need to actually try [and] put on a good show. The guests and fans didn't really factor into this. If we weren't ordered by Burbank to have this event, then we wouldn't have. I think anyone who attended got the idea we were going through the motions. They were right as that's all we were doing.''

So, there you have it. WDW went thru the motions because WDW management thought that was what they could get away with. Anyone spend yesterday in the Swamp Kingdom? I have a few friends who I think were going, but not sure.

BTW, apologies for accusing WDW's Top BRAND Advocate of whoring his way to Anaheim. I've been told that Lou Mongello was at WDW instead for some seminar (why do I sense a Scamway presentation?) for young leaders, so he was not at DL.

Also, been told that the new WoC is truly weak. That is lacks flow and has hugely out of place Frozen (yes, Let It Go!) and Star Wars (We're home Chewie!) segments. Sorry, but Walt had zero to do with either of these franchises. And even using DL as a jumping off point, that's still quite tenuous. But, hey they did remove a Marvel segment (no, I'm sadly not kidding!) This show was shoved down Steve Davison's throat (insert fanboi joke of your choice) by marketing people who truly have no idea what they are even selling.

Anyway, enjoy those few morsels and a safe and happy long weekend to all ... and, maybe, you could just think for five minutes of the weekend about what it symbolizes beyond picnics, beer and baseball. (or hockey if you just watched the marathon Ducks and Blackhawks game).

Following the mess at DLR on Twitter last night was incredibly entertaining. Management messed this one up really bad and they were getting a serious lashing from guests both in person and on social media. Comp tickets were being thrown at anyone who opened their mouth - a friend of mine walked away with 4, and that was without yelling at anyone.
 

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