A Spirited Perfect Ten

[BrerJon]

Go to Europe and visit a grocery store and find things also sold in the US, You will find that in the EU cane sugar is used, Yes the EU has a heathier lifestyle but you will only find HFCS in Karo syrup and similar products.

One of my favorite squashes from the UK is Ribena (the kind with Blackcurrants) amazingly no HFCS.

Final point Fructose is a lower energy molecule than Glucose, So it's taken up FIRST by the body.

It's pretty much illegal to use HFCS in most foods in the UK I think. Even if you look at things like candy the ingredients in European countries are far healthier than in the USA. I think it's because only the USA has such powerful food lobbyists, and other countries don't have the massive subsidies for corn growing the US does, which encourages using it in every type of food possible.

At the end of the day it's a free country and Americans have chosen to only elect those who are corruptible by lobbyists, so most Americans know exactly what's going on and are grateful that they can get a lot of cheap food and have no interest in how healthy it is or what effects it has on the body. Such socialist ideas belong overseas, or at least restricted to California, thank you very much.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It's pretty much illegal to use HFCS in most foods in the UK I think. Even if you look at things like candy the ingredients in European countries are far healthier than in the USA. I think it's because only the USA has such powerful food lobbyists, and other countries don't have the massive subsidies for corn growing the US does, which encourages using it in every type of food possible.

At the end of the day it's a free country and Americans have chosen to only elect those who are corruptible by lobbyists, so most Americans know exactly what's going on and are grateful that they can get a lot of cheap food and have no interest in how healthy it is or what effects it has on the body. Such socialist ideas belong overseas, or at least restricted to California, thank you very much.

Yes, and the UK is known around the world for its wonderful cuisine.

 

[BrerJon]

Yes, and the UK is known around the world for its wonderful cuisine.

To be fair though the USA isn't known for much more than hamburgers, and whatever the food is like, people in the UK (and pretty much every country that's not America) sure are thinner and live longer!

 

[ford91exploder]

It's pretty much illegal to use HFCS in most foods in the UK I think. Even if you look at things like candy the ingredients in European countries are far healthier than in the USA. I think it's because only the USA has such powerful food lobbyists, and other countries don't have the massive subsidies for corn growing the US does, which encourages using it in every type of food possible.

At the end of the day it's a free country and Americans have chosen to only elect those who are corruptible by lobbyists, so most Americans know exactly what's going on and are grateful that they can get a lot of cheap food and have no interest in how healthy it is or what effects it has on the body. Such socialist ideas belong overseas, or at least restricted to California, thank you very much.

As a proud member of the 'eat local' movement I think it's actually a very Conservative notion to not have one's food supply controlled by an oligarchy either private or governmental because what happens when they no longer choose to supply you with food because their masters say so or it's more profitable to send it somewhere else.

 

[ford91exploder]

To be fair though the USA isn't known for much more than hamburgers, and whatever the food is like, people in the UK (and pretty much every country that's not America) sure are thinner and live longer!

And the Hamburger itself is not all that bad for you, It's the soft drink which has the majority of the calories in a fast food meal. So I generally choose the burger and unsweetened tea or coffee for a beverage.

 

[BrerJon]

As a proud member of the 'eat local' movement I think it's actually a very Conservative notion to not have one's food supply controlled by an oligarchy either private or governmental because what happens when they no longer choose to supply you with food because their masters say so or it's more profitable to send it somewhere else.

I would have thought the conservative view was that big corporations know best, and if the market says it's good to move their trade elsewhere then that's tough, you should set up your own corporation if you have a problem with it.

How did this thread get on to the subject of corn syrup again? This is crazy off-topic!

 

[ford91exploder]

Yes, and the UK is known around the world for its wonderful cuisine.

I'll skip the kidney pie, But toad in the hole, bubble and squeak or even fish and chips beat Mickey D's any day.

 

[BrerJon]

And the Hamburger itself is not all that bad for you, It's the soft drink which has the majority of the calories in a fast food meal. So I generally choose the burger and unsweetened tea or coffee for a beverage.

The biggest lie the food corps sold was that you need a large beverage. Forty years ago nobody drank more than a few sips with a meal, and Coke cans are the size they are because that's all anyone needs, but somehow they convinced the public that they need to drink enough sugar for a family in one cup, and that's one of the major factors in obesity.

Instead of something other than water with a meal being an occasional treat, many Americans now think nothing of having soda with every meal, then wonder why diabetes is on the rise.

 

[ford91exploder]

I would have thought the conservative view was that big corporations know best, and if the market says it's good to move their trade elsewhere then that's tough, you should set up your own corporation if you have a problem with it.

How did this thread get on to the subject of corn syrup again? This is crazy off-topic!

What you are describing is Neo-Conservatism or Corporatism and it's wholly owned subsidiary Big Government, Conservatism is defined by smaller government CLOSE to the people so it can be held accountable, It's why in the US the only thing the GOP hates more than the democrats is conservatives because they want to move much of the power now located in Washington DC back to the states and cities.

This is WAY OT if you want to continue PM me and we can continue offline.

As to Corn Syrup - we discuss this every 2-3 spirited threads, Last one was 'Spirited Seventh Heaven'

 

[ford91exploder]

Props for the spirited organic chem. I took organic chem 1 and 2 in college and it makes me shudder just thinking about it.

I'm an EE be glad you did not have to do 'Fields and Waves' and memorize Maxwell's equations,

Back when I went to school when you got an engineering degree in any discipline they made you do an intro to ALL of them Chemical, Mechanical and Civil so you could discuss problems across disciplines in an intelligent manner not that you would be an expert but you would have a grounding in the fundamentals.

 

[George]

I'm an EE be glad you did not have to do 'Fields and Waves' and memorize Maxwell's equations,

Back when I went to school when you got an engineering degree in any discipline they made you do an intro to ALL of them Chemical, Mechanical and Civil so you could discuss problems across disciplines in an intelligent manner not that you would be an expert but you would have a grounding in the fundamentals.

Here's a paper I write years ago when I was young and naive and thought people might build ion traps with 150 electrodes.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1044030599000483

 

[Nemo14]

Here's a paper I write years ago when I was young and naive and thought people might build ion traps with 150 electrodes.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1044030599000483

There was a time when I could have understood that... honest...

 

[ford91exploder]

Here's a paper I write years ago when I was young and naive and thought people might build ion traps with 150 electrodes.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1044030599000483

I've saved a copy for later reading, Back then fabricating something with 150 electrodes was a real challenge, now with 3D metal sintering it's actually practical. So this might get built after all,

Remember solid state field effect behavior was observed in the 30's but it was only much later that it was possible to fabricate a FET. Other than the Glassfet or firebottle (what most people call tubes or valves).

 

[ratherbeinwdw]

To be fair though the USA isn't known for much more than hamburgers, and whatever the food is like, people in the UK (and pretty much every country that's not America) sure are thinner and live longer!

This isn't true any longer, especially, in the UK. Their obesity/overweight rates have doubled in the last 20 years. Where the US has a 63+% rate of overweight/obese people, the UK has a 50+% rate-which is increasing yearly.
France and Italy, on the other hand, have a low overweight/obese rate.
It just happened they had a show on this a couple of weeks ago. I looked up the rates before I posted to be sure I wasn't remembering wrong. That can happen when you get older.

 

[BrerJon]

This isn't true any longer, especially, in the UK. Their obesity/overweight rates have doubled in the last 20 years. Where the US has a 63+% rate of overweight/obese people, the UK has a 50+% rate-which is increasing yearly.
France and Italy, on the other hand, has a low overweight/obese rate.
It just happened they had a show on this a couple of weeks ago. I looked up the rates before I posted to be sure I wasn't remembering wrong. That can happen when you get older.

Either way, over 50% of people obese is an insane statistic. Something is clearly really broken with the food production cycle, or the education system. It's much easier to be lean and healthy when you know what is and isn't in your food, so it's incredible that a majority can't manage it - it just shows how powerful the food corps marketing can be.

 

[Mike S]

In many ways it seems that Walt Disney Parks and Resorts just needs to be outright neglected the way Feature Animation was in the mid-to-late 1980s. It needs to be a ladder climbers dead end where passion keeps people around and budgets are so constrained they must be worked around. It won't be pretty during such a time, but it would sure as hell be better than micro mismanagement from Burbank. GE neglected their theme parks and the Wizarding World of Harry Potter burst forth from that neglect and kick starting what we have been seeing since then.

Maybe Star Wars Land could be that catalyst for change like Harry Potter was for Uni? You never know. Then again Cars Land was also a big success and that doesn't seem to have inspired much change unless its success is the reason we're getting the DHS redo. Hmmmmm................ Could it be?

 

[George]

I've saved a copy for later reading, Back then fabricating something with 150 electrodes was a real challenge, now with 3D metal sintering it's actually practical. So this might get built after all,

Remember solid state field effect behavior was observed in the 30's but it was only much later that it was possible to fabricate a FET. Other than the Glassfet or firebottle (what most people call tubes or valves).

It was built once, by me.

 

[ford91exploder]

Maybe Star Wars Land could be that catalyst for change like Harry Potter was for Uni? You never know. Then again Cars Land was also a big success and that doesn't seem to have inspired much change unless its success is the reason we're getting the DHS redo. Hmmmmm................ Could it be?

Nah' not holding my breath for DHS re-do - budget announced but nothing going vertical yet, The BAH is finally leaving so that's a win Star Wars in 2021 yeah I'm really excited (YAWN) wake me up when something happens.

 

[ford91exploder]

It was built once, by me.

That was assumed, But given the technology of the day how would you produce them? I'm sitting not far from a miniature mass spectrometer in a Cesium Beam frequency standard even as I type. It's a Agilent 5065B with a Datum replacement tube.

 

[Nemo14]

That was assumed, But given the technology of the day how would you produce them? I'm sitting not far from a miniature mass spectrometer in a Cesium Beam frequency standard even as I type. It's a Agilent 5065B with a Datum replacement tube.

I'm sitting one floor up from an 8-track player.