A Spirited Perfect Ten

[flynnibus]

I'm all for creative people producing quality works and for the pencil pushers to back off and let them do their job*. That said, Lucas long ago went off the deep end in terms of being able to produce quality films. He surely has vision but he's gotten to a point where he has been doing (far) more harm to Star Wars than good. So, sure, I'd like to have a "creative person" in charge of making movies; but I wouldn't want Lucas to be in charge of them at this point in his life, not if I was hoping for a quality film.

*To be honest, I completely believe that Iger and other Disney higher ups don't really interfere with the studios much at all. I think Feige for Marvel, Kennedy for Lucasfilm and Lasseter for Pixar/Disney Animation pretty much have free reign to execute their creative visions.

You really think that merchandise juggernaut of the last 5 months was the execution and brainchild of k Kennedy?

 

[flynnibus]

I am aware of that because the sad truth is Lucas was given so much crap over the years that he gave up on the thing and got tricked into selling it to Iger and his cronies.

I think you need to listen to Lucas' side of the story because I have no idea what alien talk show you've been watching

 

[flynnibus]

I don't get why the whole Cantina shootout gets the most flack out of any of the updates. Even with Greedo having horrible aim now, doesn't affect Han's character that much seeing as he already had his blaster ready under the table.

All that energy should have been shifted towards the real worst part of the Special Edition: Jedi Rocks.

Because it illustrates the key points about UNNECESSARY changes and not just technology updates or removing constraints. It's meddling- just like spielburgs no guns in et change.

They were what the ... Moments. And in this case, explicitly debunk your claim

 

[flynnibus]

Some fanboy. Went straight to James Cameron first when trying to think of a Potter Swatter when Disney was in an amicable enough position to do a Star Wars expansion even before the buyout.

Seriously has anyone even watched the interview that sparked this tangent???

Lucas said, (as they did when the deal was public) that Disney had made it known they were interested long ago... It was Lucas that had to get to the point of being willing to sell. And he wanted out of the burden of floating lucasfilm and selling to Disney he felt would be good stuarts under his hand picked successor

 

[FigmentJedi]

Seriously has anyone even watched the interview that sparked this tangent???

Lucas said, (as they did when the deal was public) that Disney had made it known they were interested long ago... It was Lucas that had to get to the point of being willing to sell. And he wanted out of the burden of floating lucasfilm and selling to Disney he felt would be good stuarts under his hand picked successor

Still goes with my point of "Why go with Avatar at all when you could have done Star Wars from the start?"

 

[truecoat]

I also think what set him off to begin with was Disney looked at his treatments for episodes VII-IX and then dumped them and went their own way.

I think it was when JJ came on board that they got dumped.

 

[flynnibus]

And you know, being one of the primary sources for Star Wars alongside Flash Gordon and Kurosawa.

And John Carter was a great pulpy fun film, very much in the spirit of both Star Wars and the 80s Gordon. Problem was idiotic marketing drones thinking having Mars in your title was box office poison resulting in the bland title.

Marketing doesnt shape if I want to buy the disc and watch the film again... Which I don't - nor does most people. Hence why the film is still almost universally panned. Now excuse me while I listen to queen's amazing intro... Which I watch and listen to because of ME... Not what drones tried to seed successfully or not.

It's time to stop blaming the machine and face the fact... The resulting film is not enduring to most

Please don't taint true cult up rises like flash with that jc nonsense

 

[flynnibus]

Still goes with my point of "Why go with Avatar at all when you could have done Star Wars from the start?"

You don't know what kind of points iger had in mind... So it's not really an equal choice...

 

[HMF]

I think it was when JJ came on board that they got dumped.

Actually it was before JJ was involved.

 

[flynnibus]

I think it was when JJ came on board that they got dumped.

That decision was made before jj was in the conversation-- that is from jj himself. The 'movie for the fans' decision was already made

 

[FigmentJedi]

Marketing doesnt shape if I want to buy the disc and watch the film again... Which I don't - nor does most people. Hence why the film is still almost universally panned. Now excuse me while I listen to queen's amazing intro... Which I watch and listen to because of ME... Not what drones tried to seed successfully or not.

It's time to stop blaming the machine and face the fact... The resulting film is not enduring to most

Please don't taint true cult up rises like flash with that jc nonsense

Carter's legit got a good sized following for "The biggest flop ever" man. Got strong word of mouth by the time the home release came around and you had all those futile sequel petitions going viral.

But really, Disney's homegrown Sci-Fi films flopping and cult fanbases pretty much go hand in hand. This has been a fact for me and my Disney fan experience since Atlantis

 

[HMF]

Which he did. He bluntly said he didn't want to spend his sunset years doing Star Wars forever... And the kind of garbage he wanted to make wouldn't support lucasfilms.

Indeed, he said there would only ever be 6 films. I still wonder how Iger managed to make him change his position on that other than the obvious monetary benefits.

 

[HMF]

But really, Disney's homegrown Sci-Fi films flopping and cult fanbases pretty much go hand in hand. This has been a fact for me and my Disney fan experience since Atlantis

Iger wanted Star Wars for precisely that reason.

 

[HMF]

And he wanted out of the burden of floating lucasfilm and selling to Disney he felt would be good stuarts under his hand picked successor

A burden magnified by the abuse from "Fans" I am sure.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Indeed, he said there would only ever be 6 films. I still wonder how Iger managed to make him change his position on that other than the obvious monetary benefits.

The experiences in developing Star Wars for television and working with Filoni probably lead him to want to see the new generation do stuff with the universe on a larger scale like film. And if those reports about them evaluating the possibilities of doing stuff with the Star Wars Underworld scripts lead anywhere, he probably figured Disney's vast resources would actually lead to some progress on that.

 

[HMF]

The experiences in developing Star Wars for television and working with Filoni probably lead him to want to see the new generation do stuff with the universe on a larger scale like film. And if those reports about them evaluating the possibilities of doing stuff with the Star Wars Underworld scripts lead anywhere, he probably figured Disney's vast resources would actually lead to some progress on that.

I don't think Disney will do anything that he was too closely involved with. They are giving him the same treatment they gave Tony Baxter, Publicly praise him and give him the legend award and make it look to the fans like everything is all hunky dory while privately undermining him and shoving him out of the picture.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I don't think Disney will do anything that he was too closely involved with. They are giving him the same treatment they gave Tony Baxter, Publicly praise him and give him the legend award and make it look to the fans like everything is all hunky dory while privately undermining him and shoving him out of the picture.

Underworld was one of those things the OT fans actually were interested in seeing though, what with all the focus on crime and dingy settings and supposedly Boba Fett actually getting to do stuff besides standing around looking cool. Fits into the "We want to do something retro for the fans" deal fine and it's got Netflix potential written all over.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-tv-show/

 

[HMF]

Underworld was one of those things the OT fans actually were interested in seeing though, what with all the focus on crime and dingy settings and supposedly Boba Fett actually getting to do stuff besides standing around looking cool. Fits into the "We want to do something retro for the fans" deal fine and it's got Netflix potential written all over.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-tv-show/

As far as they are concerned Lucas can't do anything right so his involvement is poisonous. Never mind the fact that he created the whole darn franchise to begin with.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I don't think Disney will do anything that he was too closely involved with. They are giving him the same treatment they gave Tony Baxter, Publicly praise him and give him the legend award and make it look to the fans like everything is all hunky dory while privately undermining him and shoving him out of the picture.

There's no shoving. He sold it and has said he wants nothing to do with it anymore. So he doesn't.

 

[HMF]

There's no shoving. He sold it and has said he wants nothing to do with it anymore. So he doesn't.

If that's the case why did he bother to write down Story treatments for VII -IX that Disney supposedly rejected?