A Spirited Perfect Ten

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I think the WDW mentality is that of a toddler. Everyone just craves everyone else's shiny new toys at the behest of getting their own.

How about WDW gets something new instead of wishing for clones of decades old attractions or stealing away the headliners that parks like HKDL, DCA or WDS so desperately needed to develop their own voice. The last time WDW crammed something into their park needlessly, which wasn't designed for it in the first place gave you all Ariel's Undersea Adventure. It followed building size and ride layout restrictions that were completely unnecessary, creating the weird discordance between the interior ride and highly plussed exterior.

I'll even harp on USH that, for no good reason, is installing a clone of an over-layed, 15-year-old, modestly-themed kiddie coaster. If you are going to be second to market (well, truthfully third), at least attempt to make a plussed product!

Stop wishing for knowns, wish for the unknowns. Stop wishing for 20 year old attractions, wish for new ones! Wish for new uses of beloved IP, wish for new uses of under-utilized ride systems (like LPS), but stop wishing for direct clones!
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I think the WDW mentality is that of a toddler. Everyone just craves everyone else's shiny new toys at the behest of getting their own.

How about WDW gets something new instead of wishing for clones of decades old attractions or stealing away the headliners that parks like HKDL, DCA or WDS so desperately needed to develop their own voice. The last time WDW crammed something into their park needlessly, which wasn't designed for it in the first place gave you all Ariel's Undersea Adventure. It followed building size and ride layout restrictions that were completely unnecessary, creating the weird discordance between the interior ride and highly plussed exterior.

I'll even harp on USH that, for no good reason, is installing a clone of an over-layed, 15-year-old, modestly-themed kiddie coaster. If you are going to be second to market (well, truthfully third), at least attempt to make a plussed product!

Stop wishing for knowns, wish for the unknowns. Stop wishing for 20 year old attractions, wish for new ones! Wish for new uses of beloved IP, wish for new uses of under-utilized ride systems (like LPS), but stop wishing for direct clones!
My only point was that the rides could coexist.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Sometimes I think the WDW mentality is that of a toddler. Everyone just craves everyone else's shiny new toys at the behest of getting their own.

How about WDW gets something new instead of wishing for clones of decades old attractions or stealing away the headliners that parks like HKDL, DCA or WDS so desperately needed to develop their own voice. The last time WDW crammed something into their park needlessly, which wasn't designed for it in the first place gave you all Ariel's Undersea Adventure. It followed building size and ride layout restrictions that were completely unnecessary, creating the weird discordance between the interior ride and highly plussed exterior.

I'll even harp on USH that, for no good reason, is installing a clone of an over-layed, 15-year-old, modestly-themed kiddie coaster. If you are going to be second to market (well, truthfully third), at least attempt to make a plussed product!

Stop wishing for knowns, wish for the unknowns. Stop wishing for 20 year old attractions, wish for new ones! Wish for new uses of beloved IP, wish for new uses of under-utilized ride systems (like LPS), but stop wishing for direct clones!

The problem is of course WDW just closes stuff with nothing to replace it so fans are desperate for ANYTHING at WDW including 20 y/o rides
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
On China,

In the 20's, common thought that everyone should own stock, so buy as much as you can using margin.

In 2000's common thought that everyone should buy a home even without verifiable income, even with bad terms. Effectively margin.

Between home and stocks, it looks like China is doing both at the same time.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
The "I have nothing to hide" argument is myopic. Its like saying we should be considered guilty until proven innocent.

There was a news story a few years ago about a man who looked up backpack prices online and later that day his wife looked up pressure cookers. A few hours later their door was being kicked in by police due to their combined internet searches raising suspicion. They had "nothing to hide" and did nothing wrong, but their home was raided nonetheless.
Why are we looking at this like the security is watching each one of us specifically? Aren't they there to basically protect us from those that wish to do us harm? Why the paranoia? In this world, I want to see a strong presence of those that can help when needed and not once do I think that they just can't wait for us to screw up and slap us in jail. Do we wait until someone or something decides that they want what we have, to find ourselves without any form of protection due to our own massive misplaced insecurity and paranoia not to mention self absorption that tells us that they are "watching us individually".

Very misplaced concern in my opinion. If they start coming around and preventing us from doing things that aren't harmful to others or covered in the rules of wherever we are, then tell me about how my rights are being threatened in any way, shape or form.

Isn't it more like we are saying that they are guilty until they prove themselves innocent?

As for the example you cited, I am unfamiliar with it, but, I would guess that they are not currently in jail anywhere and that they were doing something that aroused suspicion either accidentally of on purpose. Again, my favorite line... what is the rest of the story.
 
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BrianLo

Well-Known Member
My only point was that the rides could coexist.

I have no particular issue with that, and it could in theory! Had they designed RSR and JTTCOE to be in neighbouring parks I likely wouldn't bat an eye. Same ride tech, but very different themes, demographics and layout. Same with Small World and Pirates of Caribbean. But - from a menu planning perspective it often doesn't make a ton of sense to use the exact same ride system, in a very similar manner, versus doing something completely new or in a different way to appeal to a different demo.

The difference between what they could do and what they should do.

What they should do is build an E-ticket Indy using a completely new concept.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
On China,

In the 20's, common thought that everyone should own stock, so buy as much as you can using margin.

In 2000's common thought that everyone should buy a home even without verifiable income, even with bad terms. Effectively margin.

Between home and stocks, it looks like China is doing both at the same time.
Don't look now, but so are we. The markets weren't allowed to clear after the last bubble burst and the interest rate environment is setting us up for another.
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Sometimes I think the WDW mentality is that of a toddler. Everyone just craves everyone else's shiny new toys at the behest of getting their own.

How about WDW gets something new instead of wishing for clones of decades old attractions or stealing away the headliners that parks like HKDL, DCA or WDS so desperately needed to develop their own voice. The last time WDW crammed something into their park needlessly, which wasn't designed for it in the first place gave you all Ariel's Undersea Adventure. It followed building size and ride layout restrictions that were completely unnecessary, creating the weird discordance between the interior ride and highly plussed exterior.

I'll even harp on USH that, for no good reason, is installing a clone of an over-layed, 15-year-old, modestly-themed kiddie coaster. If you are going to be second to market (well, truthfully third), at least attempt to make a plussed product!

Stop wishing for knowns, wish for the unknowns. Stop wishing for 20 year old attractions, wish for new ones! Wish for new uses of beloved IP, wish for new uses of under-utilized ride systems (like LPS), but stop wishing for direct clones!
So you're saying armchair imagineering is bad?
 

asianway

Well-Known Member
Oh ... and a public death threat on the Twitter from the moron in Celebration who thinks that Anna, Elsa and Olaf are real. May have to have the authorities talk to his mommy and daddy because their 'special boy' is really out of control. He gives special needs people a very bad name.
Scarier are the lunatics defending him on Insta from the big bad bully Spirit.

Putting him on notice if he does that to me again I will have the Osceola County Sheriff at his front door within 10 minutes.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Why are we looking at this like the security is watching each one of us specifically? Aren't they there to basically protect us from those that wish to do us harm? Why the paranoia? In this world, I want to see a strong presence of those that can help when needed and not once do I think that they just can't wait for us to screw up and slap us in jail. Do we wait until someone or something decides that they want what we have, to find ourselves without any form of protection due to our own massive misplaced insecurity and paranoia not to mention self absorption that tells us that they are "watching us individually".

Very misplaced concern in my opinion. If they start coming around and preventing us from doing things that aren't harmful to others or covered in the rules of wherever we are, then tell me about how my rights are being threatened in any way, shape or form.

Isn't it more like we are saying that they are guilty until they prove themselves innocent?

As for the example you cited, I am unfamiliar with it, but, I would guess that they are not currently in jail anywhere and that they were doing something that aroused suspicion either accidentally of on purpose. Again, my favorite line... what is the rest of the story.

Read the book "Three Felonies A Day" now couple that with records of every phone call (including voice content) email, text message, GPS location and financial transaction. This information about you will NEVER go away, Now offend someone powerful and you find yourself in a world of hurt. THAT'S why collecting and KEEPING this information is anathema to a 'Free' society.

Personally I don't think this information should be kept AT ALL but with the reality of terrorism I can see it being kept perhaps 10 days unless you are the subject of an active investigation. After which it hits the digital shredder.

Trivial example:
You are stopped in a traffic jam, A murder occurs nearby - well guess what you are now a SUSPECT simply because your phone's GPS said you were withing 50 yards of the crime scene when it occurred, Now do you understand WHY this kind of data collection is dangerous.
 

FrankLapidus

Well-Known Member
Scarier are the lunatics defending him on Insta from the big bad bully Spirit.

Putting him on notice if he does that to me again I will have the Osceola County Sheriff at his front door within 10 minutes.

If I was on Twitter I'd have reported him there at least, its all well and good playing the victim after you've said that the person responding to you and those who agree with him "must die".
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Read the book "Three Felonies A Day" now couple that with records of every phone call (including voice content) email, text message, GPS location and financial transaction. This information about you will NEVER go away, Now offend someone powerful and you find yourself in a world of hurt. THAT'S why collecting and KEEPING this information is anathema to a 'Free' society.

Personally I don't think this information should be kept AT ALL but with the reality of terrorism I can see it being kept perhaps 10 days unless you are the subject of an active investigation. After which it hits the digital shredder.

Trivial example:
You are stopped in a traffic jam, A murder occurs nearby - well guess what you are now a SUSPECT simply because your phone's GPS said you were withing 50 yards of the crime scene when it occurred, Now do you understand WHY this kind of data collection is dangerous.
Sorry, but, wouldn't there need to be some form of motivation and reason other then location to suspect me of murder. How about all those others that are stuck in the same traffic jam, are they not suspect as well. No, that kind of thinking, although something to be aware of, is not really feasible and even though it isn't perfect our legal system is a little more sophisticated then that. Perhaps in a dictatorship it would be common, but, we haven't reached that yet. As for keeping that information, well, there must be some pretty bored agents collecting stuff on me. I doubt I would ever be on the top of the list of probable suspects, so, no I don't worry excessively about it. I've served on enough jury's in my life to know that it isn't all that simple to convict someone of anything. Can it happen, sure! But, when figured in the totally per capita numbers it is a very small number.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Sorry, but, wouldn't there need to be some form of motivation and reason other then location to suspect me of murder. How about all those others that are stuck in the same traffic jam, are they not suspect as well. No, that kind of thinking, although something to be aware of, is not really feasible and even though it isn't perfect our legal system is a little more sophisticated then that. Perhaps in a dictatorship it would be common, but, we haven't reached that yet. As for keeping that information, well, there must be some pretty bored agents collecting stuff on me. I doubt I would ever be on the top of the list of probable suspects, so, no I don't worry excessively about it. I've served on enough jury's in my life to know that it isn't all that simple to convict someone of anything. Can it happen, sure! But, when figured in the totally per capita numbers it is a very small number.

It's really simple - Cops are lazy if the 'computer' can give them a suspect list instead of flattening their feet doing real 'police work' well they like the majority of humanity will take the easy way out,

Sucks to be you because you get to spend thousands on legal advice when your only 'crime' was being in the wrong place at the wrong time through no fault of your own.

Here is a lecture from a noted Law Professor on why one should never talk to police.

 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
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spineless....whos up for any open carry rally in front of white house lawn? (rolling)
 

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