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VJ

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Disney Parks Blog has begun posting again today, posting about the opening of Soarin' Around the World and Mickey's Royal Friendship Faire. Not sure why I thought you guys would care but... possible discussion piece, maybe? We shall see.
 
betty rose

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vj81995 said:
Disney Parks Blog has begun posting again today, posting about the opening of Soarin' Around the World and Mickey's Royal Friendship Faire. Not sure why I thought you guys would care but... possible discussion piece, maybe? We shall see.
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Much too soon. I'm staying clear of the Grand Floridan, it will bring back too many bad memories. I'm sensitive, and I admit I take things harder than a lot of people. I could see attendance at this hotel down, for many month's. No one wants to be reminded what happened on the beach, when on vacation. Many other's may and will disagree with me. I'm not a young person and don't bounce back from tragedy like I did when I was younger.
 
brb1006

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betty rose said:
Much too soon. I'm staying clear of the Grand Floridan, it will bring back too many bad memories. I'm sensitive, and I admit I take things harder than a lot of people. I could see attendance at this hotel down, for many month's. No one wants to be reminded what happened on the beach, when on vacation. Many other's may and will disagree with me. I'm not a young person and don't bounce back from tragedy like I did when I was younger.
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Poor Richard Gerth is going to be very lonely for the next few months.
 
truecoat

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@WDW1974 Here is the defacing of DL in all it's glory.

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Wikkler

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peter11435

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betty rose said:
I said on another thread we encountered a water moccasin, that was 6 ft. long, and chased grandson, hubby and myself. It didn't back off. Someone is seriously dropping the ball at DW.
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You've mentioned this several times. Just so I fully understand. You're saying that someone at WDW seriously dropped the ball because you saw a snake? A snake that was outside at a resort that is built in the middle of thousands of acres of Florida wilderness. Most of Disney property is undeveloped wetlands and conservation area. Just how exactly do you propose that WDW prevent natural wildlife from living in its natural habitat so that you won't feel like they dropped the ball?
 
betty rose

betty rose

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peter11435 said:
You've mentioned this several times. Just so I fully understand. You're saying that someone at WDW seriously dropped the ball because you saw a snake? A snake that was outside at a resort that is built in the middle of thousands of acres of Florida wilderness. Most of Disney property is undeveloped wetlands and conservation area. Just how exactly do you propose that WDW prevent natural wildlife from living in its natural habitat so that you won't feel like they dropped the ball?
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Didn't make myself clear, that was an aside....I was talking about the alligator incident.
 
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peter11435

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betty rose said:
Didn't make myself clear, that was an aside....I was talking about the alligator incident. If you don't like that I repeat, then ignore. There is a button for that.
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I don't use the ignore function. Ignoring (censoring) those you dislike or disagree with is no way to behave in a civilized society. Not that I dislike you, I'm just saying.

I'm not bothered by you repeating your snake story. I just don't really see what you think Disney or anyone else could do to prevent the presence of wildlife in the outdoors.
 
betty rose

betty rose

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peter11435 said:
I don't use the ignore function. Ignoring (censoring) those you dislike or disagree with is no way to behave in a civilized society. Not that I dislike you, I'm just saying.

I'm not bothered by you repeating your snake story. I just don't really see what you think Disney or anyone else could do to prevent the presence of wildlife in the outdoors.
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Got your opinion. We will agree to see life differently.
 
V

V_L_Raptor

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betty rose said:
It depends. If he was made aware of deadly alligators, coming close to the beach, absolutely. If he ignored the C.M's, yes. If his approach to heading the parks is not attentive enough, yes. I said on another thread we encountered a water moccasin, that was 6 ft. long, and chased grandson, hubby and myself. It didn't back off. Someone is seriously dropping the ball at DW. The buck should stop at the last person that knew about the threat, and did or said nothing. Disney has a serious personnel problem. This should be investigated by an outside person, not in Florida, not picked by Disney. An independent person. If anything less is done, it will shameful on their part. They have been shameful in neglecting this park too long. JMHO
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Here's the thing that throws me about the alligator incident.

It's practically a given, considering Central Florida. Not too far from Disney, there are large lakes with airboat tours specifically for spotting Alligator mississippiensis. The things do walk, and quite effectively, too. For someone to believe that the Seven Seas Lagoon would not have some gators in it is stupid -- and to believe that the mythical gators couldn't possibly be nearby is asinine. It's even more stupid given that a significant portion of Disney property is set aside as preserve land (in fact, I know someone who did his graduate thesis on reptile conservation ecology on Disney property because it offered a wide open space that fit the type of environment for the animals and survivorship he was trying to document). To say that there are wild lands on Disney property but to believe that there would be no credible gator threat on property near a large body of water is... well, myopic. Even relatively small retention ponds elsewhere are roped off or marked to prevent alligator incidents. That beach should have been blocked, I'm sorry[1].

Seriously -- appreciably large freshwater space in Florida, but without gators close to the humans? Were they expecting the gators to hold off until they got their Magic Bands or DVC points? Was the gator supposed to maybe do a ballet, or something? For my part, it's yet another human-vs-wildlife case. Develop what would make great habitat, and the wildlife will remind you of it.

[1] I otherwise wonder why it wasn't. Didn't Disney have a SOP against people being in the lagoon not too long ago because of microbial hazards endemic to freshwater in Florida? River Country's one thing, but I do remember the Seven Seas Lagoon being posted. Am I imagining that?
 
betty rose

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peter11435 said:
I don't use the ignore function. Ignoring (censoring) those you dislike or disagree with is no way to behave in a civilized society. Not that I dislike you, I'm just saying.

I'm not bothered by you repeating your snake story. I just don't really see what you think Disney or anyone else could do to prevent the presence of wildlife in the outdoors.
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They had a much more energetic program in the past to keep people safe from poison snakes, and alligators. I'm not afraid of grass snakes, just the poison ones. I realize you can't catch every poison snake. I'm glad to see they have posted signs alerting people about them. We researched how to combat poison snakes, yes I've been around many of them in my childhood. We will use the recommended protections. Will not hurt wild life , but may protect people who innocently come across a very big threat. Just like my young grandson. He was walking along a path minding his own business when he was confronted by a poison snake. Put yourself in our position, We are happily walking along, and had to run backward to not be bitten. Not what anyone going to lunch is thinking about.
 
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betty rose

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peter11435 said:
You've mentioned this several times. Just so I fully understand. You're saying that someone at WDW seriously dropped the ball because you saw a snake? A snake that was outside at a resort that is built in the middle of thousands of acres of Florida wilderness. Most of Disney property is undeveloped wetlands and conservation area. Just how exactly do you propose that WDW prevent natural wildlife from living in its natural habitat so that you won't feel like they dropped the ball?
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Not several times, I don't know when new members or old members decide to check out this thread in the middle. Most people won't start at the beginning and read all the way through. Just wanted to post our experience in June. I'm going back in Oct. with new knowledge to protect myself. I don't expect to see another snake, but now I know what to do. I was just trying to alert any new person on here that there can be an encounter with wild life. And people need to know that. Not everyone is native to Florida. If someone reads this and checks out the risks, small, but not impossible, it will help to educate those from other areas. I'm living in Colorado, now and we have a lot of wildlife, that appears where they don't belong. We had a moose, and daughter had a bear last week in her backyard. I've looked for and saw rattlesnakes on a path near our house. Wildlife is out there in every state. Please take precautions.
 
betty rose

betty rose

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V_L_Raptor said:
Here's the thing that throws me about the alligator incident.

It's practically a given, considering Central Florida. Not too far from Disney, there are large lakes with airboat tours specifically for spotting Alligator mississippiensis. The things do walk, and quite effectively, too. For someone to believe that the Seven Seas Lagoon would not have some gators in it is stupid -- and to believe that the mythical gators couldn't possibly be nearby is asinine. It's even more stupid given that a significant portion of Disney property is set aside as preserve land (in fact, I know someone who did his graduate thesis on reptile conservation ecology on Disney property because it offered a wide open space that fit the type of environment for the animals and survivorship he was trying to document). To say that there are wild lands on Disney property but to believe that there would be no credible gator threat on property near a large body of water is... well, myopic. Even relatively small retention ponds elsewhere are roped off or marked to prevent alligator incidents. That beach should have been blocked, I'm sorry[1].

Seriously -- appreciably large freshwater space in Florida, but without gators close to the humans? Were they expecting the gators to hold off until they got their Magic Bands or DVC points? Was the gator supposed to maybe do a ballet, or something? For my part, it's yet another human-vs-wildlife case. Develop what would make great habitat, and the wildlife will remind you of it.

[1] I otherwise wonder why it wasn't. Didn't Disney have a SOP against people being in the lagoon not too long ago because of microbial hazards endemic to freshwater in Florida? River Country's one thing, but I do remember the Seven Seas Lagoon being posted. Am I imagining that?
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I don't call people stupid, so unkind, they are uneducated and perhaps young. I have been trying to tell anyone that Florida is a nice state, like Colorado, but when you go to an area that has wildlife it would be good to check it out. I went to Disney in the 70's when it opened, they made sure to tell us that they checked for snakes and alligators each night and not to worry about the wildlife. I've gone every year since, and didn't know when they changed the program to take care of them. I realize when I first went they (the alligators were endangered) and it was impossible to see them at that time. Now I, like many people are realizing that state rules have changed. Doesn't mean I, or anyone is stupid. We have become uninformed over the years. No one can keep track of everything that happens in each state.
 
margybear

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the.dreamfinder said:
UK votes to leave the EU. The pound sterling is dropping to 30 year lows against the dollar.
http://nytimes.com/2016/06/25/world/europe/britain-brexit-european-union-referendum.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36611512
Impact on British tourism to Central Florida. Discuss.
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Given that I had money saved but it's worth less dollars at this point, my budget for my September vacation is ultimately cut. I imagine if people haven't bought dollars yet, they're stuck in the same position as me...
 

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