A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

WDW1974

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Service at BOATHOUSE was exceptional. The food was very good as well, I just happened to like the chicken at Homecoming better than steak sandwich at Boathouse. I would definitely eat at both locations again.

I enjoyed my chicken salad at Homecoming. And loved the Moonshine cake. But it doesn't come close to any of the meals I have had at The Boathouse. The service at Homecoming also was not nearly as good as at Boathouse. When asked "how everything came out" by the server, one member of my party said they didn't care for the entree that they had. Her response was simply a shrug and an "oh, I'm sorry it isn't to your liking" and walked away. That isn't how you do it ...

Also, I already have my Dr. Strange tickets for opening weekend. I'm going to do the discussion ender that I hate, "let's agree to disagree".

And I am sure you're going to love it. Disney fans seem to love all Marvel films no matter how bad (Age of Ultron). They love the wink-wink 'this will be an important plot point seven films from now' deal. I don't. I will likely see this at some point because I think Benderpickle Perriwinkleitch is a fine actor and I love his made up name.
 

WDW1974

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No disrespect intended to DVC members at OKW and SSR, but these two resorts feel much closer to POR than they do to any of the other Disney Deluxe Resorts, and this is reflected in their prices.

Looking at average rack rates per night (including tax) for 2017:

All Star Standard View: $159
Art of Animation: $205
POR Standard View: $270
SSR Studio: $424
OKW Studio: $424
AKL Standard View: $460
WL Standard View: $471
WL Courtyard View: $531
YC Standard View: $552
POLY Standard View: $640
AKL Savannah View: $648
GF Outer Building Garden View: $769

I blame Disney for this (and, btw, enjoy both OKW and SSR a lot). When DVC started, it was not as an add-on at Deluxe Resorts and that was never part of the original plans. I was told this once many years ago by someone who was apparently enjoying EPCOT tonight and once ran the company. Some of the fanbois here love him ... forget his name ... Ishner ... no, that's not it ... oh, Eisner!

Once Disney started doing the deluxe add-ons, everyone wanted them. They wanted them because by 2000 many were being priced out of the deluxes and many other DVC buyers had never been able to afford to stay at them to begin with. Let's be blunt, take a look at the average WDW Guests and ask if they look like they can pay over $500 a night for a room (many look like they'd be hard-pressed to come up with $100).
 

WDW1974

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I checked the Unofficial Guide reader surveys for these restaurants. We've received almost 100,000 dining surveys in the past year.

That is an impressive sounding number, but I have no idea what it means in real world terms beyond a lot of people leave reviews on Trip Advisor and Yelp and the more I read them, the more I can see people with grudges taking unfair shots as well as people who either work for the locations or are paid to drop positive reviews (see what Royal Caribbean Cruise Line has been doing on forums like this for years!)

Not dissing the UG or anything of the sort. Just wondering what it means. Walmart, McDonald's and Starbucks are plenty popular too.

The average approval rating for all Disney Springs restaurants is around 86%. The standard deviation is around 6%.

Art Smith's Homecoming is the highest rated restaurant at Disney Springs, with 97% approval (n = 37 surveys).

Not at all shocked thinking about WDW's clientele, the type of food offered and even the prices (while the fried chicken at $26-29 is insanely priced, they made a conscious decision to price the entree sandwiches and salads all around $16).

But I wouldn't be in any hurry to rush back. The best fried chicken at WDW remains the Hoop Dee Doo (until they decide to ruin that) and it is some of the best I have had anywhere. The absolute best is at The Wicked Spoon buffet at The Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas. I'd rather have that than a fivesome with 'Angie' and three under 25 fanbois of my choosing!:D:eek:;)

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Portobello is the second-lowest rated restaurant at Disney Springs, with 68% approval (n=137). Only Planet Hollywood is lower. We would actively tell people to avoid anything less than 80% approval. In this case, we'll probably rewrite our review to lead with a sentence about going somewhere else.

I am not overly surprised. The Lifestylers all seem to enjoy the vastly overpriced Tutto Italia. I always wondered about Portobello and never went in until about 10-11 years ago. It instantly became a favorite. Quality food, low (yes, by WDW standards) prices and great service. You never need a PS. It is a favorite lunch location. It has been around forever and I think is largely overlooked. The only better Italian I have had at WDW would be at Il Mulino at the Swan. An amazing culinary experience every time and incredible service all the time. Also, a place that I would bet 97% of those on this site have never even heard of, let alone visited, since Disney doesn't own or operate it.

I have had a good experience at Ravello at the Four Seasons, but need more experience to advise people to go.

STK is at 70% approval (n=20). In the words of Jim Hill, I'm really looking forward to this restaurant ... 's next tenant.

Frontera Cocina is 84% (n=32). That's about where I'd put it, too.

Morimoto is 87% (n=281). I hear that Morimoto is still not satisfied with the food and service quality. The dude is serious about this place. I've seen him make a surprise visit in the middle of the afternoon, and I'm 99% sure I could hear the staff's collective sphincters tightening.

As I said before, I have really enjoyed the meals at Morimoto. On a visit earlier this year, two members of my party weren't thrilled with their entrees. But they both had different versions of Ramen and that just isn't something I would go out to eat for. It reminds me of poverty food for college kids. Everything I have had there has been very good to incredible.

House of Blues is 90% (n=132).

Jock Lindsey's is 91% (n=246).

Blaze is 94% (n=162). I think this is the best pizza in WDW. I prefer it to Giordanos and Flippers offsite, too. If anyone knows of better local pizza, let me know.

Splitsville is 94% (n=158). I didn't think it was this good, but I could be wrong.

The Jock's popularity doesn't surprise me. Fanbois and their collectible mugs, unless the food is spectacular. I haven't dined there, only drank and the drinks are typical WDW adult beverages where they seem to put alcohol in with a table-spoon. I am used to Los Angeles, NYC, SoBe drinks. Real drinks. And Jock's (like most WDW locations) doesn't seem to serve them.

As to pizza in O-Town ... no idea. The city isn't known for pizza. The ones at Il Mulino look good, but I have never had anything but pasta and meat and salads ... and wine ... lots of wine. I haven't tried Via Napoli yet, but the Lifestylers seem to love it, even with typical Disney prices. Been there?
 
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WDW1974

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$5 donation to the site, and you're in -- low barrier to entry. Then you too can gossip behind people's back safe in the knowledge that they will never know what you said...unless they somehow get ahold of $5 or know somebody else on the forum that has $5.

Most of us paid to thank Steve for all the work he does on this site. He says "You're welcome" by giving us a small sub-forum to chat. Stop by if you like. We're pretty friendly.

I dunno since I am not a member. I have heard (just anecdotally, of course) that the place does have a lot of schmucks running wild! I'm sure there are some great people too!
 

WDW1974

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I've heard the nickle-and-dime complaint about RCLL a lot. And obviously I love DCL having been on five of their cruises. But at a certain point the sticker shock is going to hurt them with first-time family cruisers, which is the market they built on.

I just want to repeat (and I am a DCL lover) that I have taken 14-night transatlantic cruises that stopped in amazing places for less than some rubes pay for 4-nights on the Dream to the Bahamas. Hell, six years ago I took a TA on the Disney Magic for $599 a person ... for 14 nights. Something that will likely never be repeated.

Newbies to cruising who are Disney lovers wind up paying absurd prices. You can do similar cruises for $199 a person to start.
 

Cesar R M

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I just want to repeat (and I am a DCL lover) that I have taken 14-night transatlantic cruises that stopped in amazing places for less than some rubes pay for 4-nights on the Dream to the Bahamas. Hell, six years ago I took a TA on the Disney Magic for $599 a person ... for 14 nights. Something that will likely never be repeated.

Newbies to cruising who are Disney lovers wind up paying absurd prices. You can do similar cruises for $199 a person to start.
Alaska cruise in september also has nice discounts. Not paying those 6,000+ for a single outside cabin for 7 nights.

Also those prices.. do Disney gives you heavy discount or whats?
never seen a price that low myself.
 

PhotoDave219

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Is that what that was? I noticed some dis


We have a knowledgeable dining critic, usually a culinary pro, for table service reviews. Bob and I review most of the quick service and buffets. And we quote readers in the reviews.

All the restaurants get scores on a 0 (bad) to 5 (excellent) stars. Table service places have a different scoring system from quicks.

I always through splitsville was good for what it was. Best pizza in DTD. Decent burger, decent beer.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I haven't tried Via Napoli yet, but the Lifestylers seem to love it, even with typical Disney prices. Been there?
I ate there a couple of times in 2010 and 2011 when it was newly opened, definitely some tasty food. I didn't have the pizza, but the vegetable lasagna was delicious and one of the desserts was also quite good. I will mention that two young women sitting at the next table ordered a pizza and my mom asked their opinion. They said it was pretty good but didn't seem that impressed (they also left half uneaten). I can't speak from my experience so take their reaction as you will.

I haven't eaten there since, very pricey even given the quality. It's supposedly run by an outside company (not Disney), so that might be a good sign.

Still, you can't assume food quality remains consistent over time. I've witnessed countless heartbreaking declines in favorite restaurants. Les Chefs de France is an example, it was fantastic in the early-mid 90's. Having also been to France to experience the real deal, Chefs did a pretty damn fine job replicating quality authentic French cuisine IMO. Last I ate there in the past few years, that quality and authenticity was pretty much completely gone.
 
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ford91exploder

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I enjoyed my chicken salad at Homecoming. And loved the Moonshine cake. But it doesn't come close to any of the meals I have had at The Boathouse. The service at Homecoming also was not nearly as good as at Boathouse. When asked "how everything came out" by the server, one member of my party said they didn't care for the entree that they had. Her response was simply a shrug and an "oh, I'm sorry it isn't to your liking" and walked away. That isn't how you do it ...



And I am sure you're going to love it. Disney fans seem to love all Marvel films no matter how bad (Age of Ultron). They love the wink-wink 'this will be an important plot point seven films from now' deal. I don't. I will likely see this at some point because I think Benderpickle Perriwinkleitch is a fine actor and I love his made up name.

Not all Disney fans are impressed by Marvel films, Saw Age of Ultron and frankly it sucked, I watch superhero films because they are SUPPOSED to be fun i.e. Bad guys win for a while and the good guys eventually triumph, Why do you think people LOVE GotG because it was a fun romp or even the Incredibles for that matter, just like the first Avengers film.

If I want to watch Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy and watch George Smiley weave his webs I will but that's a different kind of entertainment not a fun summer blockbuster.
 

MotherOfBirds

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It's difficult to even find superhero films "fun" anymore, at least for me. The only Marvel franchise I actually care about is X-Men, which isn't going to be coming to WDW anytime soon (or ever, more likely).

Walt Disney Pictures Presents:
Gratuitous Property Damage VII: Rise of the Insurance Premiums
 

ford91exploder

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What are some cruise lines and destinations you would recommend for this? I'm thinking about doing a trip out of the USA as a gift to myself when I finish my MA next December and transatlantic cruise is something I have wanted to do.

Try a freighter cruise.

https://www.freightercruises.com/

http://www.freighterexpeditions.com.au/cruising-on-a-container-ship

Being one of only a few passengers onboard you get the run of the ship including the bridge which is a really cool place to be.

Downside is you need to entertain yourself.
 

Mike S

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CJR

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I haven't eaten there since, very pricey even given the quality.

We went last year and I can agree that's it's too pricey. I wasn't impressed at all, given the hype. Tables were too close together, the pizza we had was over cooked. Service was good though. I can say, especially for the money, that there are much better locations in Orlando for pizza. It is a great option in Epcot though, if someone is looking for pizza. Beats Disney's cheapo "pizza" they serve in quick service by light years.
 

Cesar R M

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What are some cruise lines and destinations you would recommend for this? I'm thinking about doing a trip out of the USA as a gift to myself when I finish my MA next December and transatlantic cruise is something I have wanted to do.
I really loved Alaska, but then.. I Live in Mexico where everyday feels tropical :p
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Are freighter cruises 'floating petri dishes' like regular cruises are? :eek:

No because you are actually part of the crew you are booked as a 'supernumerary' so you are eating with the officers and crew. On a freighter you don't have a staff doing the minimum possible to keep the ship clean, For the officers at least the ship is their home most of the year.

Plus you can and should get the 'ship's stamp' as a unique addition to your passport as remember the ship at sea and in port is part of the country which flagged the ship.
 

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