A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

[njDizFan]

Except that you say that without even seeing any of it in person. You have no idea how well it will fit in and what it will look like until they are done. That is part of my issue with the naysayers. It may all fit in just fine.

Sure 30 years from now it may just be completely homogenized as part of the Disney Canon, kind of like how Pooh and the Muppets are considered "Disney"(for most).

But the thing that bothers me as far as theming in Disneyland, it feels and looks like like it's own gate(gate 2 1/2). It has no attachement to the rest of the park, it sticks out all on it's own, physically and thematically. It is not a broad based idealization of the old west or the future or a turn of the century Main Street. It's a whole land based upon a movie franchise. I'm sure it's going to be great, I can't wait to see it. But I wish it wasn't going where they decided to put it. But this seems to be the future of themed entertainment. Pottervilles, Pandoras, Nintendos, Carsland, Seusville, Simpsons Etc Etc

 

[The_Jobu]

No one wants to be told "that's at the other park, 3,000 miles away" when it comes to Star Wars.

I dare say some will be delighted to be told just that.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Yes it is pointless because of your narrow-minded views of what DL should be. So enlighten me - what was your point that you were referring to, and why didn't you state it in your reply? I'm all for discussion on the topic, even though I understand that we will forever agree to disagree on this subject.

Let's include your narrow-mindedness as well, shall we? You ask for opinions, then shoot them down immediately.

I'd rather not try and discuss with you, to be honest. I'm looking at your posts and you're not listening to what anyone is saying, and you're being rude. Instead of seeing where others are coming from and having a healthy debate, it seems you're just trying to make us feel like our OPINION is wrong.

I'm good. I welcome you to read through my thread that is dedicated to this topic.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

Sure 30 years from now it may just be completely homogenized as part of the Disney Canon, kind of like how Pooh and the Muppets are considered "Disney"(for most).

But the thing that bothers me as far as theming in Disneyland, it feels and looks like like it's own gate(gate 2 1/2). It has no attachement to the rest of the park, it sticks out all on it's own, physically and thematically. It is not a broad based idealization of the old west or the future or a turn of the century Main Street. It's a whole land based upon a movie franchise. I'm sure it's going to be great, I can't wait to see it. But I wish it wasn't going where they decided to put it. But this seems to be the future of themed entertainment. Pottervilles, Pandoras, Nintendos, Carsland, Seusville, Simpsons Etc Etc

Hmm, so what if they had come up with this, and you had never seen or heard of the SW movies? There are literally billions in this world that haven't. It can be considered a broad idealization of space travel and visiting other planets. Is that not what you will be doing there? And I guess I have to ask. Why do you not think that the current lands don't stick out already?

 

[AEfx]

I dare say some will be delighted to be told just that.

Point taken, however, those that fanatical will still visit both coasts anyway. Especially with the Celebration stuff, etc.

But for the vast majority of guests, knowing that whichever resort you go to will provide nearly the same experience is a massive plus. Most of them will expect it.

 

[BrianLo]

You know, it kinda looks like a bulging, malignant tumor too.

EDIT: @BrianLo , I'm going to preempt you on this.

I think toontown could pass for a solitary kidney.

So it's renal/adrenal cancer and the RoA is the Ureter that's refluxing something fierce.

We can only hope it's malignant and invades a certain parking lot occupied by toys.

 

[The_Jobu]

Point taken, however, those that fanatical will still visit both coasts anyway.

I'm not as sure about that, I just figure few things are absolute. For me, for example, I'll likely never spend the additional money to visit DL no matter what they add. I agree that most people would want the same rides if it is an E-ticket (Magic Kingdom vs Disneyland) but the idea of identical "experiences" and "lands" is a sticky wicket. There's already a fair amount of difference between MK and DL that's just accepted, excluding the rest of DW.

 

[csmat99]

Is anybody watching Westworld? In last night's episode, I found the aging owner's spiel about what makes a great experience very applicable to today's Disney.

Please do not refer to Sir Anthony Hopkins as some aging owner!

 

[doctornick]

Though I do think an argument built upon "isn't it good that the park is getting two new E-tickets?" has more merit than "Star Wars fits in Disneyland/No it doesn't". I think the debate would be entirely different if they were building two SW e-tickets into Tomorrowland, for example. It's the whole "land" thing that really boils some people's potatoes.

If the plans to put a bunch of Star Wars in Tomorrowland happened, people would be complaining just as much, just about different things.

 

[The_Jobu]

If the plans to put a bunch of Star Wars in Tomorrowland happened, people would be complaining just as much, just about different things.

Exactly my point, the "land" concept is a big part of this argument.

 

[AEfx]

I'm not as sure about that, I just figure few things are absolute. For me, for example, I'll likely never spend the additional money to visit DL no matter what they add. I agree that most people would want the same rides if it is an E-ticket (Magic Kingdom vs Disneyland) but the idea of identical "experiences" and "lands" is a sticky wicket. There's already a fair amount of difference between MK and DL that's just accepted, excluding the rest of DW.

But not something really known to the general public. They don't view the MK parks as unique. They view them as a "chain" where you get similar experiences. You want to guess how many complaints have been made over the years that MK doesn't have a Matterhorn?

In any case, the part I think you aren't giving it's due is : Star Wars. There is going to be unprecedented demand. It's going to go so much more smoothly this way, where someone who wants the new Star Wars experience is going to get virtually the same one no matter what coast they choose.

This is a huge plus all around - for guest experience, simplicity of marketing, story cohesion with the Lucasfilm story group, and utilizing the additions to distribute the unprecedented demand between the two coasts so both resorts benefit.

Disney isn't guiding the SWLs for the hard core fans - they already get them, even just between Celebrations and D23 events, etc. It is to attract the huge average public - the ones that made Force Awakens the highest grossing film of all time in the United States. The ones that will indeed book trips because of Star Wars Land. That majority of people are not going to visit both coasts - yet they are going to expect that the Star Wars experience they are going to get from the commercials, the mainstream media coverage, etc to be the same whichever side of the country they are going to visit.

FWIW, on non theme park sites, I see more relief from the harder core Star Wars fans about this than anything else - even they have limited budgets, particularly given how much the average one already spends on Star Wars annually. They are pleased as punch that whatever resort is most convenient to them will give them the same experience.

 

[britain]

I agree - Star Wars was ALMOST 3rd park worthy... but didn't quite make it. It is timeless enough in its popularity to warrant immense investment, but not on the scale of a 3rd park. It is the perfect property to use to reinvent DHS.

But does Disneyland need any reinventing? No, but:

• Should it be on the West Coast as well as the East? Yes.
• Should it be in DCA? Well, arguably, but DCA just got a big investment. DL needs some love.
• Should it be in Tomorrowland? I think if SW took over Tomorrowland permanently then it would damage Walt's park far more than reworking the back of Frontierland.
• Should it replace ToonTown? Maybe that would have been better, but I think operations was LOOKING for something to both trim and refresh the RoA. And we've been waiting for something worthy to take Discovery Bay's spot. If Star Wars isn't worthy of that, nothing is.

 

[The_Jobu]

But not something really known to the general public. .

I think we're on different pages here. I did not and would not argue that Star Wars isn't super popular and of course, whatever's built at one will be expected at the other. Never underestimate people's ability to ignore details. I'm sure a day doesn't go by that a CM isn't asked "where's the Harry Potter ride?".

 

[yeti]

I agree - Star Wars was ALMOST 3rd park worthy... but didn't quite make it. It is timeless enough in its popularity to warrant immense investment, but not on the scale of a 3rd park. It is the perfect property to use to reinvent DHS.

But does Disneyland need any reinventing? No, but:

• Should it be on the West Coast as well as the East? Yes.
• Should it be in DCA? Well, arguably, but DCA just got a big investment. DL needs some love.
• Should it be in Tomorrowland? I think if SW took over Tomorrowland permanently then it would damage Walt's park far more than reworking the back of Frontierland.
• Should it replace ToonTown? Maybe that would have been better, but I think operations was LOOKING for something to both trim and refresh the RoA. And we've been waiting for something worthy to take Discovery Bay's spot. If Star Wars isn't worthy of that, nothing is.

I don't think anyone would expect Star Wars to be its own park, but more like a significant part-if not the major draw-of a third park.

 

[BrianLo]

I have only one thing to add to this neverending debate that alway irks me every time it is repeated (thanks for that @WDW1974 ).

Every single person wants Star Wars part of the third park. People who are for it, people who are against it (in DL at least). Because everyone would rather a 4 billion dollar third park, obviously.

It's like getting a car for your 16th birthday and whining it isn't a plane. Yes, everyone wants a damn plane, Disney could even afford the plane for your 16th birthday. But the fact we didn't get a plane doesn't factor into the conversation about whether the type of car we got is appropriate or a piece of junk. Can we please keep the debate focused on the car instead of the plane? We don't even have a pilots license...

 

[Cesar R M]

Sony Pictures Animation is a very poorly managed studio that has been run into the ground. This is the studio that wastes talent like Genndy Tartakovsky on garbage Adam Sandler movies as well as others throughout the production pipeline, rejects Lauren Faust's Medusa and Genndy's Popeye and Can You Imagine in favor of Emoji, and treats its animators at non-union Imageworks like trash. People, not ideas, make great films.

At least the animation in Hotel Transylvania was more than decent.. story wise not much.

 

[Cesar R M]

If this news item is true... and Disney plans on replacing live-action Mulan's love interest with a white male... I just hope it's a silly rumor and not the real thing. Certainly not "Distinctly Chinese(!)"

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-possibil..._source=gizmodo_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

considering how there are movies that were insanely whitewashed.. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
I guess execs can never have too many "white males doing things that a white male shouldn't be doing in a foreign nation"
reminds me of the joke about the games.. where the protagonist of action games is always a "white dude in their thirties" with Troy Baker doing the voice. No seriously, there was even an event of game awards.. and the darn finalists of best male voice was Troy Baker 3 times..

And I'm 100% sure they already destroyed Ghost in the Shell because of the whitewashing.

 

[The_Jobu]

considering how there are movies that were insanely whitewashed.. I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
I guess execs can never have too many "white males doing things that a white male shouldn't be doing in a foreign nation"
reminds me of the joke about the games.. where the protagonist of action games is always a "white dude in their thirties" with Troy Baker doing the voice. No seriously, there was even an event of game awards.. and the darn finalists of best male voice was Troy Baker 3 times..

And I'm 100% sure they already destroyed Ghost in the Shell because of the whitewashing.

Was Nolan North on vacation that year?

 

[Cesar R M]

Having also just returned from a trip, staying at Wilderness Lodge, where the internal corridor access to restaurants & lobby probably made a big difference, I found Friday was fine, there was plenty of voicemail messages with updates, characters and kids activities in the lobby and as soon as the curfew was lifted the lifegaurds got the pool ready again and it opened shortly after 5pm. We also found the communication about Disney Springs opening good and we got a bus there just before 6:30 with no issues. We then queued 40 minutes for Blaze Pizza.
However the communication on Thursday was awful. We found out that MNSSHP was cancelled, but we headed to Epcot for out lunch reservation as planned (after spending a long time queing at reception to sort an extra night accommodation due to flight being moved). On arriving at Epcot it was the bus driver who told us the park was closing at 5pm.

Then when we got back to the room there was a voicemail with plenty of details of what was open in the hotel, including the quickservice being open 24hr and Artist Point signature switching to buffet that night only and offering breakfast.

If they had been able to make announcements just a touch earlier Thursday then it would have been nice, but overall my experience was good.

at least they didnt shoved you only a prepackaged sandwich box for 12.99?

 

[Cesar R M]

If he ends up directing this, it won't be mistaken for the animated cartoon. Ritchie's style is quick cuts, close ups, lots of violence and guns galore.

NSFW if you watch...

Cant be worse than Prince of Persia Sands of Time.. right?
I just hope it doesn't end like Gods of Egypt, which basically had almost 0 plot smashing bulk of CGI (think Transformers).