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RoysCabin

RoysCabin

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the.dreamfinder said:
For MAGICAL parking prices, and prices will go up once this facility opens, I expect a lot more than walkways.
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Beyond that, like it or not something like parking is part of the "show" of any themed area. If transportation wasn't meant to be taken into such consideration, then, say, the bus stops at the Magic Kingdom in Orlando wouldn't be themed the way that they are. Anything that takes people out of the atmosphere is counterproductive to the overall goal of making them comfortable with attending (and spending money at) your property.

It's why Walt borrowed heavily from the architect Victor Gruen, who emphasized the idea of keeping all the nuts and bolts of what makes a place work out of sight of guests, since it takes them out of the moment and makes them feel less at ease; it's why Walt loved the concept of the berm in Anaheim and why we eventually got the utilidors in Orlando.
 
truecoat

truecoat

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the.dreamfinder said:
For our parking garage enthusiasts, the new Disneyland Resort parking garage and transportation facility plans have been released by the OC Register.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/disney-725346-parking-disneyland.html
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  • No moving walkway or tram system to get guests from the new facility to the esplanade and back. The 1991 master plan for the Disneyland Resort, which featured a parking garage on this plot of land, had an elevated tram system. This decision is cheap, shortsighted and disrespectful to guests who will be paying $$$ to have the privilege to use this MAGICAL parking lot. One wonders if in making this decision, TDA will have to deal with rushes on Mickey and Friends because it will be the more convienent of the two garages.
  • As reported by MiceChat, Disney will be forced to built this project around the DHS office building whose lease won't be for a number of years.
  • Bag check will be placed before the walkway to the esplanade
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If I want to get a quick bite to eat at the McDonalds across the way, it looks like it's impossible. I'd have to take the bridge to get back to where the security checkpoints are. Then head south all the way down to Disney way just to get to a public street?

They just over everyone across the street from Disneyland.
 
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Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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flynnibus said:
If Disney knee capped themselves like you... They never would have built wdw as a resort and instead just built dl again with a huge buffer around it
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I really think you're stretching here. The parking lot was always just a parking lot... The garages have always been garages... This one happens to be close enough (from what the map shows) that moving walkways or a tram are really unnecessary. I guess if people are that lazy...
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Evan-500 said:
I really think you're stretching here. The parking lot was always just a parking lot... The garages have always been garages... This one happens to be close enough (from what the map shows) that moving walkways or a tram are really unnecessary. I guess if people are that lazy...
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So the tram for m&f was in response to people just being lazy?
The investment in decorating the resort district was just a waste?
Disney should tell people... Just suck it up, you aren't in the park yet.

Ever think when people pull into town they are there for YOU and their total enjoyment betters you?

You think like a cheapskate that misses the mindset that differentiated Disney from the pack. They looked how to impress... Not just skimp.
 
Filby61

Filby61

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Evan-500 said:
The parking lot was always just a parking lot...
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That's historically incorrect. Pre-DCA, the Disneyland parking lot was the show-equivalent of a theater marquee. Trams picked you up near your car, section by section, and dropped you off at the ticket booths. All the while you could see the Main Street Train Station and the Matterhorn. You could hear the train whistle in the distance and the gunshots from the Jungle Cruise. It was a place of anticipation and excitement, especially for kids. And after a full day of fun, footsore and loaded down with souvenirs and sleepy kids, the trams took you back.

That was showmanship. Not the corporate mega-mall mindset that cavalierly says, "Let 'em walk. We got their money."


flynnibus said:
You think like a cheapskate that misses the mindset that differentiated Disney from the pack. They looked how to impress... Not just skimp.
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Bingo.
 
Disney Analyst

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Filby61 said:
That's historically incorrect. Pre-DCA, the Disneyland parking lot was the show-equivalent of a theater marquee. Trams picked you up near your car, section by section, and dropped you off at the ticket booths. All the while you could see the Main Street Train Station and the Matterhorn. You could hear the train whistle in the distance and the gunshots from the Jungle Cruise. It was a place of anticipation and excitement, especially for kids. And after a full day of fun, footsore and loaded down with souvenirs and sleepy kids, the trams took you back.

That was showmanship. Not the corporate mega-mall mindset that cavalierly says, "Let 'em walk. We got their money."




Bingo.
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Maybe as I'm not American this will come across as rude, but it's just an outside perspective... Perhaps things like moving walkways and trams in one of the most unhealthy and overweight countries is a luxury that should be taken away...

And anyway, trams from the back of a parking lot make sense... But if you were parking close to the front I doubt you took a tram.. And it looks like this walk would be the equivalent. Maybe I'm way off, but it looks like a 5 minute stroll.

As well, any time I have been with friends that parked in the lots, we just walked.. Was a lot faster then waiting for the tram. Walking really isn't that bad... It's actually good for you. I really am not looking at this from a cheap perspective, just from a what's necessary and what's not... If it was a greater distance yes.. But this really is not far from the parks.
 
Nmoody1

Nmoody1

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Evan-500 said:
Maybe as I'm not American this will come across as rude, but it's just an outside perspective... Perhaps things like moving walkways and trams in one of the most unhealthy and overweight countries is a luxury that should be taken away...

And anyway, trams from the back of a parking lot make sense... But if you were parking close to the front I doubt you took a tram.. And it looks like this walk would be the equivalent. Maybe I'm way off, but it looks like a 5 minute stroll.

As well, any time I have been with friends that parked in the lots, we just walked.. Was a lot faster then waiting for the tram. Walking really isn't that bad... It's actually good for you. I really am not looking at this from a cheap perspective, just from a what's necessary and what's not... If it was a greater distance yes.. But this really is not far from the parks.
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It's not about laziness ... it's about convenience, service and hospitality... which Disney are meant to be leaders of.

Plus California is a very health conscious state

It should never be about necessity - it should be about offering the service.
 
Herbie

Herbie

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Evan-500 said:
Maybe as I'm not American this will come across as rude, but it's just an outside perspective... Perhaps things like moving walkways and trams in one of the most unhealthy and overweight countries is a luxury that should be taken away...

And anyway, trams from the back of a parking lot make sense... But if you were parking close to the front I doubt you took a tram.. And it looks like this walk would be the equivalent. Maybe I'm way off, but it looks like a 5 minute stroll.

As well, any time I have been with friends that parked in the lots, we just walked.. Was a lot faster then waiting for the tram. Walking really isn't that bad... It's actually good for you. I really am not looking at this from a cheap perspective, just from a what's necessary and what's not... If it was a greater distance yes.. But this really is not far from the parks.
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I understand the sentiment. The walk around the parks is pretty hefty, though (depending on how long you stay). I wouldn't suggest taking away the trams, and I wouldn't suggest offering moving walkways.
 
zengoth

zengoth

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At WDW the sheer amount of parents folding up strollers is enough to bulk the loading times for the parking lot trams, so we always make the walk. If it's cold or rainy, the trams just make it worse. I'm always amazed, however, how Disney seems to discourage walking the parking lots in the subtle ways the plan sidewalks (not even sidewalks - paths) - especially DHS, where you always seem to be in danger of being mowed down by the very tram you refused to take...
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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For reference, the Parking and Transportation scheme from the 1991 Disneyland Resort master plan.
Via Sam Gennaway
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Cletus

Cletus

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Animaniac93-98 said:
3D Blu-ray of Force Awakens comes out Nov 15 in the USA/Canada:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=19607
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Great! I hate when they do this. Why not just release the 3D version when it was released initially? Oh, wait....I know why. Gotta keep the cash grab train a rollin'. We have a very nice 70" 3D television and this would be really cool to own. I'm not going to spend another $30 for a movie I just bought a short time ago.
 
lobelia

lobelia

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So Arianna Huffington is stepping down from the Huffington Post. Does this mean anything for Madam Yoda Dress Iger's Board of Trustees status? @WDW1974 @Lee She should have been dismissed from her higher education position long ago. Will she have more or less power to get stories removed?

Oh...Do you know the real reason she is stepping down?
 

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