A Spirited Dirty Dozen ...

asianway

asianway

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LuvtheGoof said:
Maybe they wanted another chance to do it better than the first one? Maybe some of those aren't very high on a lot of people's animated features list, but they're willing to watch the live action movie? Cinderella grossed over $540 million dollars. Jungle Book is close to a billion. Hmm, it seems that you are in the small minority in not liking them, and to me it made excellent business sense.
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Calm down - I never said I didnt like them. Of the 4 I mentioned, I like Maleficent. I can at least see why the other 2, and most of the upcoming films got greenlit. Petes Dragon, specifically, does not make sense to me. Dont confuse my words with others on the thread.
 
LuvtheGoof

LuvtheGoof

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asianway said:
Calm down - I never said I didnt like them. Of the 4 I mentioned, I like Maleficent. I can at least see why the other 2, and most of the upcoming films got greenlit. Petes Dragon, specifically, does not make sense to me. Dont confuse my words with others on the thread.
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You had said that from a business perspective that this one (Pete's Dragon) doesn't make sense, yet the other live action movies have done very well. No reason to think that this one won't as well. The trailers look very good for it. I just thought that maybe Disney wanted to try again. And I am always calm. :angelic:
 
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GregIsNewAroundHere

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LuvtheGoof said:
Hmm, angry. :confused: I've seen all of them so far, and all have been very well done. To me, as long as it's done right, why be angry and just enjoy the movie? They've been releasing a mix of new as well.

Can't agree that "dedicated" fans want less IP and more originality. People want all kinds of things, so don't pigeonhole anyone.
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With a large enough advertising budget I can make you do literally anything. It requires very little social manipulation to make two populations go to war with eachother, how much do you think it requires to get butts into theater seats? For this reason nearly every tentpole movie, even abysmally bad ones like Suicide Squad, manage to blow opening weekend records away. Quality will out.

People object to these live-action remakes because they're mostly verbatim remakes of the animated Disney version of the story, even the character designs are the same. By the time we get to final cut so much of these movies is CG anyway, can we really call them "live-action"? More like "animation designed to look like real-life instead of like art". If they were revisiting these stories by going back to the source material, not rehashing design work done by Disney animators, and taking things in a new direction, I'd have a very different opinion of them. But instead they're creatively bankrupt cash-grabs.
 
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doctornick

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GregIsNewAroundHere said:
With a large enough advertising budget I can make you do literally anything. It requires very little social manipulation to make two populations go to war with eachother, how much do you think it requires to get butts into theater seats? For this reason nearly every tentpole movie, even abysmally bad ones like Suicide Squad, manage to blow opening weekend records away. Quality will out.

People object to these live-action remakes because they're mostly verbatim remakes of the animated Disney version of the story, even the character designs are the same. By the time we get to final cut so much of these movies is CG anyway, can we really call them "live-action"? More like "animation designed to look like real-life instead of like art". If they were revisiting these stories by going back to the source material, not rehashing design work done by Disney animators, and taking things in a new direction, I'd have a very different opinion of them. But instead they're creatively bankrupt cash-grabs.
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Well, Maleficent did take a different approach than the animated film. Alice in Wonderland as well, for that matter. The Jungle Book, for what it's worth, modified the story somewhat from the animated film -- IMHO much to the better, though I don't know which is closer to the source material. Without seeing Pete's Dragon, it seems different from the first move as well.

Cinderella (and likely Beauty and the Beast, I'd expect) was really the only one that was a beat by beat remake of the animated original.
 
LuvtheGoof

LuvtheGoof

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GregIsNewAroundHere said:
With a large enough advertising budget I can make you do literally anything. It requires very little social manipulation to make two populations go to war with eachother, how much do you think it requires to get butts into theater seats? For this reason nearly every tentpole movie, even abysmally bad ones like Suicide Squad, manage to blow opening weekend records away. Quality will out.

People object to these live-action remakes because they're mostly verbatim remakes of the animated Disney version of the story, even the character designs are the same. By the time we get to final cut so much of these movies is CG anyway, can we really call them "live-action"? More like "animation designed to look like real-life instead of like art". If they were revisiting these stories by going back to the source material, not rehashing design work done by Disney animators, and taking things in a new direction, I'd have a very different opinion of them. But instead they're creatively bankrupt cash-grabs.
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Jaded much? You can't simply enjoy a movie for a movie without comparing it to something else??? I bet you go to WDW and look for every single flaw that you can possibly find to complain about that as well.

Oh, and so we're are all under the Disney spell and will do anything their marketing department says? C'mon. It takes multiple weeks of showings to get above $500 million, and that usually means many repeat viewers. If people thought they were bad, they wouldn't go again.
 
LuvtheGoof

LuvtheGoof

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doctornick said:
Well, Maleficent did take a different approach than the animated film. Alice in Wonderland as well, for that matter. The Jungle Book, for what it's worth, modified the story somewhat from the animated film -- IMHO much to the better, though I don't know which is closer to the source material. Without seeing Pete's Dragon, it seems different from the first move as well.

Cinderella (and likely Beauty and the Beast, I'd expect) was really the only one that was a beat by beat remake of the animated original.
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Now there you go bringing reality into the discussion. You should be ashamed for blasting holes into the argument.
 
Cletus

Cletus

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GregIsNewAroundHere said:
It's neat how when you keep jacking up the ticket price you can keep blasting through those "opening weekend" records like clockwork.
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Exactly! It seems there is a "new record" broken every other weekend. I just yawn.:rolleyes:

Domestically, Gone With the Wind sold over twice as many tickets (863.8 million) as Star Wars, Empire and Jedi combined (412.9 million).
 
admiral-ari-x

admiral-ari-x

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LuvtheGoof said:
Hmm, angry. :confused: I've seen all of them so far, and all have been very well done. To me, as long as it's done right, why be angry and just enjoy the movie? They've been releasing a mix of new as well.

Can't agree that "dedicated" fans want less IP and more originality. People want all kinds of things, so don't pigeonhole anyone.
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Oh gosh, I didn't mean to come off as angry :oops: And you're right, people are very different, I could want something more original and the next guy could really be wanting more of these.
I think they're all well done, I haven't heard anything bad about them. I suppose that it's just my opinion that there has been a bit too much messing with nostalgia lately. If it isn't broke, don't fix it, y'know? Either way, opinions are really varied on this issue, and it's up to the general public to decide just how long this trend will continue for.
 
HauntedMansionFLA

HauntedMansionFLA

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doctornick said:
Well, Maleficent did take a different approach than the animated film. Alice in Wonderland as well, for that matter. The Jungle Book, for what it's worth, modified the story somewhat from the animated film -- IMHO much to the better, though I don't know which is closer to the source material. Without seeing Pete's Dragon, it seems different from the first move as well.

Cinderella (and likely Beauty and the Beast, I'd expect) was really the only one that was a beat by beat remake of the animated original.
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What do you think about Tim Burton in charge of Dumbo, Winnie the Pooh and a grown up Christopher Robin and Mary Poppins?
 

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