UpAllNight
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Not proposing shedding classics...I love them. They need to expand.
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Not proposing shedding classics...I love them. They need to expand.
AEfx
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But I don't think the general public looks at it that way. It's not "screens vs. AA's" to them - I think it's as simple as new exciting ride vs. same ride they have been riding since they were kids.
I am not sure where people are suggesting that WDW shed anything - they have plenty of space to add new things. And a bunch of new stuff is finally on the Horizon (no pun intended). I don't hear people saying to rip out POTC or HM - but the fact that they have rested with what they had for so long is what people complain about.
carolinadisneydad
Member
I took my daughter to Universal For her high school senior spring break 2015. We camped at Bill Frederick 10$ a night and spent 3 days at the parks. She wanted to see Harry Potter. We had a blast and our only major expense was park tickets and a sit down meal each day. (Not including the fishing charter in Tampa Bay with Capt Jared which was Absolutely Awesome!) The third day was free with a promo they had. Afterwards I realized that a large number of the rides at Uni were based on movies from before her time. She had Never seen rocky and bullwinkle, Popeye, Terminator, ET, Jurassic park,blues bros, men in black, or even Sinbad. So, her enjoyment of the ride was totally based on the ride and not nostalgia . My kids are in their 20s. My point is that soon Uni will have to start updating their Ip's to appeal to the next generation unless the ride is good enough to stand on its own. Oh, and HP was definitely worth the trip.
carolinadisneydad
Member
I took my family to WDW 8 out of 9 years starting in 2002 always staying for a week or more. Back then 8 days in a moderate with 9 day park hopper for 4 was around $2500 base. By the end around $3500. Still sort of reasonable. But going now I would estimate to be over $4000. I just can't pull the trigger on that yet. I'm dying to go but for now I just keep telling myself I might as well wait till all the new stuff is built since I can't go every year anymore. Maybe I'll wait for grandkids.
My wife says lets go for just a few days but I don't want to go halfway and rush around. So, the wait continues.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
He said he heard both.
yeti
Well-Known Member
Friends of mine who have a casual interest in theme parks commonly consider WDW juvenile, stale and repetitive compared to UNI. Part of this perception comes from Universal's parks offering 7-8 E Ticket thrill rides each that are particularly attractive to a young adult crowd. To some folks, a thrill ride line up consisting of Hulk, Spidey, Popeye's, Dudley-Do-Right's, Kong, Jurassic Park, Forbidden Journey, and Dueling Dragons is a lot more interesting than say three Magic Kingdom Mountains, or the trifecta of Soarin - Test Track - Mission Space. I don't agree with their taste at all, but unfortunately some people do not grasp the artistic merit of theme parks and are really just looking for thrill rides or truly unique or fresh experiences. Pirates and Haunted Mansion are wasted on them, but obviously those attractions are so appealing to fans and locals they cannot be gotten rid of.
Therefore I think Disney is on the right track by building rides like Ratatouille in Epcot (a "thrilling" ride with the added bonus of bearing no height restriction) and TRON in MK (an enticing new thrill ride in a park that doesn't have enough of them). Disney could do more to buck this stigma by building more of these kinds of rides, to the point where like UNI they have 7-8 of them in each park. Conversely Universal could use a lot more family rides like SLoP (amazing acronym).
Therefore I think Disney is on the right track by building rides like Ratatouille in Epcot (a "thrilling" ride with the added bonus of bearing no height restriction) and TRON in MK (an enticing new thrill ride in a park that doesn't have enough of them). Disney could do more to buck this stigma by building more of these kinds of rides, to the point where like UNI they have 7-8 of them in each park. Conversely Universal could use a lot more family rides like SLoP (amazing acronym).
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carolinadisneydad
Member
We are a Disney family. We enjoy Uni periodically but we feel more connected to Disney. I mean I'm not reading any Uni forum during my free time. While brain shakers are popular even with my kids, they don't hit on the emotional level that WDW rides do.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Hey its cheap and we can slap random IP on it... Disney is rapidly losing what made it well Disney. I dont want thrill rides I want intricate dark rides, the kind that built the Disney Brand.
Stevek
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I always want to stay onsite when we visit WDW but can't fathom paying the rates above or pretty much anything else beyond a value and possibly a moderate. I'm willing to "settle" for POP even though I could stay at a better offsite hotel at a lower rate. The WDW room rates absolutely boggle my mind.To be clear, Disney should charge a premium compared to offsite hotels.
Prior to Michael Eisner taking over in 1984, the least expensive room at the Contemporary was today's equivalent of about $185/night. It was a phenomenal rate. At these kind of rates, Disney's 3 hotels were 100% occupied year-round. Offsite hotels survived largely because Disney operated so few hotels. (Disney began adding a lot more in the late 1980s and 1990s.)
After Eisner's big increases of the late 1980s, the Contemporary's least expensive room was up to today's equivalent of roughly $300/night. It stayed at about that throughout the 1990s. For location and service (which still was excellent in the 1990s), I suggest this rate was about right.
It's only since the beginning of this century that corporate Disney has raised rates appreciably faster than inflation, while at the same time looking for ways to reduce costs by lowering the standard of service. (This doesn't mean that today's service is bad, only that it's not what it used to be.)
Today, the least expensive room at the Contemporary has an average rack rate of $493/night. However, today's Disney frequently offers room discounts, something it rarely did in the past. Not all room nights are available at discounted rates, so the average actual rate is probably closer to $450/night.
I'd accept paying $300/night for room in the Contemporary's Garden Wing, but choke at $450/night. I guess that explains why I haven't stayed there in over a decade, when I paid $227/night with tax (roughly $290 in today's prices).
Probably shouldn't be posting because what I am about to say will be quite inflammatory and all that ... but since I am trapped in a house due to a major international disaster that is traveling toward WDW as I type and I have slightly less interest in Irma coverage than in the Giants-Cowboys game, I'm going to anyway.
First, unless something drastic happened literally in the last few weeks, Nintendo absolutely is NOT going into UNI's third park. Maybe in some form it will wind up there, but that park is a lot further down the pike than many think. Nintendo is happening very soon.
It is going into UNI Studios.
Now ... moving on ...
It is going into UNI Studios.
Now ... moving on ...
Mike S
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THANK YOU!!!
What is it about lowlife, no life bloggers and Disney that brings about such a toxic stew of the worst of humanity?
Why is it that some people actually decided that 'testing' Disney's emergency response was a way to get added clicks, YouTube views, FB views and, ultimately, $$$?
What kind of piece of human excrement does one have to be to check into a WDW resort just to ride out the storm and make other people have to care for them and their needs when their own lives, family's lives and homes may be at stake?
Why would anyone give a flying (blank) about competing with other bloggers on this?
To be clear, I am ripping anyone except for someone like @WDWFigment who was trapped at WDW by the storm and a canceled DCL voyage.
I am not naming names to dignify the behavior and give them the attention they crave.
Or other bloggers, who are spending all day retweeting 'friends' (no one has real friends in that biz) showing how amazing WDW CMs are ... and playing right into Celebration Place's spin that "WDW is the bestest, safest, most MAGICal place in the world" to ride out a natural disaster because DIS learned from past years and will offer $15 Boma Breakfast buffets (about what it is worth) and put foamheads in the resorts and ... since Loew's is so pet-friendly, allowing anyone to bring their pets (I love animals, but if you think Disney cleans those rooms greatly when kids pee on the floor, I would invite you to stay in a room after a bulldog with gastric distress just spent a few days in it!)
I really, really, really love the themed entertainment business. I love much of Disney's products. And Disney lovers are some of my absolute dearest and most cherished friends (many from this very community). But the amount of mental illness, arrested development people of all ages and total self-absorbed lowlifes makes me want no part of it.
There are many reasons this post is going in this thread and not the Irma one. And, no, I am not saying everyone posting there is anything close to my above labels.
But looking at what Irma has done from the Caribbean to the Keys to SW FL and now up the state ... what kind of lowlife does one have to be to make sure they are one of the last ones out of EPCOT, forcing CMs to hang around so they can get pics or video? What kind of lowlife does one have to be if they are a local and they decide that since they can't work, they might as well close down the MK?
I dunno. I just know that while we may both like Disney and be passionate about it, we have absolutely nothing in common. Nothing. And I have no use for these people as members of the species.
Now, have at it ...
Why is it that some people actually decided that 'testing' Disney's emergency response was a way to get added clicks, YouTube views, FB views and, ultimately, $$$?
What kind of piece of human excrement does one have to be to check into a WDW resort just to ride out the storm and make other people have to care for them and their needs when their own lives, family's lives and homes may be at stake?
Why would anyone give a flying (blank) about competing with other bloggers on this?
To be clear, I am ripping anyone except for someone like @WDWFigment who was trapped at WDW by the storm and a canceled DCL voyage.
I am not naming names to dignify the behavior and give them the attention they crave.
Or other bloggers, who are spending all day retweeting 'friends' (no one has real friends in that biz) showing how amazing WDW CMs are ... and playing right into Celebration Place's spin that "WDW is the bestest, safest, most MAGICal place in the world" to ride out a natural disaster because DIS learned from past years and will offer $15 Boma Breakfast buffets (about what it is worth) and put foamheads in the resorts and ... since Loew's is so pet-friendly, allowing anyone to bring their pets (I love animals, but if you think Disney cleans those rooms greatly when kids pee on the floor, I would invite you to stay in a room after a bulldog with gastric distress just spent a few days in it!)
I really, really, really love the themed entertainment business. I love much of Disney's products. And Disney lovers are some of my absolute dearest and most cherished friends (many from this very community). But the amount of mental illness, arrested development people of all ages and total self-absorbed lowlifes makes me want no part of it.
There are many reasons this post is going in this thread and not the Irma one. And, no, I am not saying everyone posting there is anything close to my above labels.
But looking at what Irma has done from the Caribbean to the Keys to SW FL and now up the state ... what kind of lowlife does one have to be to make sure they are one of the last ones out of EPCOT, forcing CMs to hang around so they can get pics or video? What kind of lowlife does one have to be if they are a local and they decide that since they can't work, they might as well close down the MK?
I dunno. I just know that while we may both like Disney and be passionate about it, we have absolutely nothing in common. Nothing. And I have no use for these people as members of the species.
Now, have at it ...
Travel Junkie
Well-Known Member
Thank you! That needed to be said. Been thinking the exact same thing.
No, thank you for being a decent human being and understanding why that behavior is repugnant.
The amount of (bad word for doo-doo) on Disney Twitter today is astounding and that is saying something.
And, no, I don't really think you can care about the people in St. Martin who lost everything or the people who left homes in Key West and may never return at the same time you're hanging at the BC or WL or POP and praying "Lordy Jesus, please let Disney open at least the MK by noon tomorrow."
Personally, I hope the parks are shuttered for multiple days (that means more than two) to dissuade this latest sick fan fad that trips to WDW during hurricanes are fun and special. They are nothing of the kind and I have been trapped there multiple times, including last year for Matthew, which was basically a non-event in that area (not that we knew it would be, of course).
I just can't comprehend this type of person (of course, I can't comprehend a large number of Americans these days. Period. End of story!)
Californian Elitist
Well-Known Member
People actually purposefully booked a trip to Florida to ride out a hurricane so they can blog about it?
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Let's just say I know people who are being separated from their families for probably weeks or months on end because the National Guard and Coast Guard are deploying them to Florida, Said my goodbyes to a few of them today after a regional emergency management meeting this weekend discussing the responses to things like Harvey and Irma.
Those are the people who deserve the kudo's not some fool who was 'Last out of EPCOT' or wherever.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Having the parks closed for a a few days would be an excellent thing especially for the CM's trying to pick up the pieces.
Notes from Neverland
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Quite a few of the local blogs are posting/Tweeting from the various resorts. It's definitely intentional that they went out of their way to stay there. It's one thing to share updates from people who had no choice. It's another to do what they're currently doing.
Nemo14
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I kind of feel like everyone had a choice....