A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Kman101]

Edgar from The Aristocats just made his first park appearance at the Disneyland Paris Event "Disney Loves Jazz".

I appreciate the videos, thank you

 

[Kman101]

Eh... this thread has become a catch all so I'll just take a swing here.
I visited the parks about two weeks ago.
Avatar looked nice but, honestly, who has the gumption to trade 160minutes of their time for less than 10minutes of their time? I don't understand WDI's reasoning for making such low capacity attractions for the last 20+ years... or maybe the over use of fastpass killed enjoyment?
Everywhere else in the park was about at a (realistic) 15min wait or less. I feel bad for people who paid to get in and who were subjected to spending most of their day waiting in line for the Avatar rides. And that's just a small taste of the living h*llscape that SWGE is going to be.

We bopped over to the Magic Kingdom and got in around 8pm (this being one of the only nonparty nights, the park was open until 10pm)... and what a mess. I've never seen the park look worse.
Pirates is a wreck. And not because there's a lady pirate now. The outside of the building has huge stage like lights on top of it. Being BLINDED by the flash for a picture that NO ONE WANTS OR ASKED FOR stinks. The lighting in the ride was AWFUL. Just terrible. I've never seen it look so bad. And one of the pirates in the burning city was falling over to the point where you could see the metal beams that anchor him to the floor.
Mansion was about just as bad. After being cattle herded in, the ride was overly dark in some areas and overly bright in other areas. The Graveyard looked like a community theatre production... the scrim was tired and falling apart (and very visible). The pop up ghost in the graveyard where all coming up too fast to the point where the fabric was blowing up over their heads and you could see the metal pole the heads were attached to. Two of WDW's most iconic rides, horrific show.

It's about 9:50 at this point. We decide to head over to Mine Train (which is posted at 55min) so we can wait for it, ride it, and hopefully wait out the crowds. We get off Mine Train about 10:45.... and we didn't see the car until almost 12:30.
The misery of trying to get back to the TTC will stop me from visiting MK from now on, I'll just get my kicks at Disneyland. We waited in the much shorter line for the Resort monorail and it still took about two hours to get to our car. MISERABLE. It's pig headed and turning a blind eye to a huge problem that TDO refuses to look for ways to fix the massive problem of the TTC. It might have been a nice 1970's ideal that the Magic Kingdom needs to be rEvEaLeD but, in modern reality, it is nothing more than a misery. All the enjoyment of the day was sucked away due to the two hour wait just to get back to our car. The monorails aren't modern and fun anymore, they're cumbersome and a pain. The ferry boat is, i'm pretty sure, one of the circles in that book Dante wrote. This will never really be addressed or fixed and it's a shame... because the magic kingdom has turned into a chore and a burden.

So you had a nice time?

But in all seriousness, I do find the Magic Kingdom is often a chore "to slog through" and I hate saying that, but it's the truth. MK is full of rides I love and I enjoy the park but I have a much more pleasant time at the other three.

I also wish they'd stop building low capacity attractions. Sounds like there's been pushback on that though so let's hope they correct course on the capacity. And to stop designing everything like it's going to be in California weather ...

 

[Princess Leia]

And to stop designing everything like it's going to be in California weather ...

This. It was hot this week, and it was brutal being outside in lines at times.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

So why is it that the Magic kingdoms version of Small World doesnt have that Mary Blair facade? i mean like the other parks have Hk, PAris Tokyo and Anaheim.

IaSW was only brought to DL after the 1964 World's Fair. So they had to tuck it into a corner near Fantasyland.

The MK could fully integrate IaSW into FL. That is why the Florida façade is superior to the DL one. Although Blair did a fine job of it. Almost as good a work by her as the Contemporary mural.

 

[AEfx]

The misery of trying to get back to the TTC will stop me from visiting MK from now on, I'll just get my kicks at Disneyland. We waited in the much shorter line for the Resort monorail and it still took about two hours to get to our car. MISERABLE. It's pig headed and turning a blind eye to a huge problem that TDO refuses to look for ways to fix the massive problem of the TTC. It might have been a nice 1970's ideal that the Magic Kingdom needs to be rEvEaLeD but, in modern reality, it is nothing more than a misery. All the enjoyment of the day was sucked away due to the two hour wait just to get back to our car. The monorails aren't modern and fun anymore, they're cumbersome and a pain. The ferry boat is, i'm pretty sure, one of the circles in that book Dante wrote. This will never really be addressed or fixed and it's a shame... because the magic kingdom has turned into a chore and a burden.

I agree. At this point, it is just way more of a PITA than anything else. Been saying this a long time.

 

[Kman101]

I agree. At this point, it is just way more of a PITA than anything else. Been saying this a long time.

It really is. So sad to say but it is.

 

[BrianLo]

The MK could fully integrate IaSW into FL. That is why the Florida façade is superior to the DL one.

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. In Order:

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. In Order:

I'm completely serious.

For one, that Blair façade is good...but not that good. Revered by fans, but is it really all that attractive?
Secondly, it is a flat wall, doesn't convey a sense of a fully realised building.
Fourthly, the non-DL and MK ones are mere Blair wannabees so I'll dismiss those outright. You can only do it once. Cinderella II and III aren't canon either.
Thirdly, yes I know I cant coun't. Got a problem with discalculia?
Sixty-fourthly, like I've argued before, obviously the fully integrated façade is better. I judge the entire work of art. At the MK IASW maintains, and co-creates, the theme and setting of the land, rather than be an unrelated appendix to it. Also, the part from the door facing the skyway to Pinocchio is gorgeous, nothing in DL FL can match it.

 

[BrianLo]

I'm completely serious.

For one, that Blair façade is good...but not that good. Revered by fans, but is it really all that attractive?
Secondly, it is a flat wall, doesn't convey a sense of a fully realised building.
Fourthly, the non-DL and MK ones are mere Blair wannabees so I'll dismiss those outright. You can only do it once. Cinderella II and III aren't canon either.
Thirdly, yes I know I cant coun't. Got a problem with discalculia?
Sixty-fourthly, like I've argued before, obviously the fully integrated façade is better. I judge the entire work of art. At the MK IASW maintains, and co-creates, the theme and setting of the land, rather than be an unrelated appendix to it. Also, the part from the door facing the skyway to Pinocchio is gorgeous, nothing in DL FL can match it.

Pinocchio village Haus is indeed gorgeous, but it's a completely separate structure. If and when Small World comes down, that part of the facade does not need to be removed.

If they took that type of care and applied it to the Small World facade itself I'd completely be on board. I don't necessarily revere the cartoony Mary Blaire look, I just think MK's actual facade looks cheap.

You make solid points for something I thought was a joke at first.

 

[JoeCamel]

Pinocchio village Haus is indeed gorgeous, but it's a completely separate structure. If and when Small World comes down, that part of the facade does not need to be removed.

If they took that type of care and applied it to the Small World facade itself I'd completely be on board. I don't necessarily revere the cartoony Mary Blaire look, I just think MK's actual facade looks cheap.

You make solid points for something I thought was a joke at first.

I'm too busy trying not to trip over strollers in WDW to appreciate the facade or make comparisons. ItaSw is not high on my list on=f must dos but if it is a walk on I will do it. Too busy looking at my phone making FP adjustments to look up and see what I am entering after all these years.
Sorry, tired and old is all I see.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

I'm completely serious.

For one, that Blair façade is good...but not that good. Revered by fans, but is it really all that attractive?
Secondly, it is a flat wall, doesn't convey a sense of a fully realised building.
Fourthly, the non-DL and MK ones are mere Blair wannabees so I'll dismiss those outright. You can only do it once. Cinderella II and III aren't canon either.
Thirdly, yes I know I cant coun't. Got a problem with discalculia?
Sixty-fourthly, like I've argued before, obviously the fully integrated façade is better. I judge the entire work of art. At the MK IASW maintains, and co-creates, the theme and setting of the land, rather than be an unrelated appendix to it. Also, the part from the door facing the skyway to Pinocchio is gorgeous, nothing in DL FL can match it.

I didn’t know that the gondola’s were up and running??

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I didn’t know that the gondola’s were up and running??

I'm discussing design, not ops. Hence the elder pictures of the MK and DL, which better show the design as intended and realised.

A stroll through a McDonald's parking lot is currently is a more zen, more shaded, more green, and more clean experience than a visit to the zoo formerly known as the MK, so no point in showing that.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

Pinocchio village Haus is indeed gorgeous, but it's a completely separate structure. If and when Small World comes down, that part of the facade does not need to be removed.

If they took that type of care and applied it to the Small World facade itself I'd completely be on board. I don't necessarily revere the cartoony Mary Blaire look, I just think MK's actual facade looks cheap.

You make solid points for something I thought was a joke at first.

There was a beautiful and efficient program to FL once. Every attraction is festival or fair tents in front of city walls, every other structure looks like a European village. No need for 40 feet marquees with Disney store aesthetics.

Currently only Pan and IASW still follow that program anymore, albeit with different colour schemes. It has lost its saying power.

The fair areas should be understood in relation to the village areas which bookend them, imbed them, who create the place where this very festival takes place.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I'm completely serious.

For one, that Blair façade is good...but not that good. Revered by fans, but is it really all that attractive?
Secondly, it is a flat wall, doesn't convey a sense of a fully realised building.
Fourthly, the non-DL and MK ones are mere Blair wannabees so I'll dismiss those outright. You can only do it once. Cinderella II and III aren't canon either.
Thirdly, yes I know I cant coun't. Got a problem with discalculia?
Sixty-fourthly, like I've argued before, obviously the fully integrated façade is better. I judge the entire work of art. At the MK IASW maintains, and co-creates, the theme and setting of the land, rather than be an unrelated appendix to it. Also, the part from the door facing the skyway to Pinocchio is gorgeous, nothing in DL FL can match it.

I still prefer DL’s....

 

[solidyne]

So, yes, MK's facade is consistent with its land, but DL's is consistent with the content of the ride itself. Which makes more sense? (I am not sure, myself.)

 

[FigmentJedi]

Guillermo del Toro's long delayed stop motion Pinocchio is finally happening over at Netflix.
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/guillermo-del-toro-pinocchio-netflix-1202987621/

Considering how him and character designer Gris Grimly have both had Haunted Mansion projects stuck in development hell over at Disney, in Grimly's case an animated Halloween TV special, maybe this could get the execs off their butts when its done...

 

[brb1006]

 

[geekza]

No need for 40 feet marquees with Disney store aesthetics.

There are a lot of people who seem to be upset that the new actual Disney Store aesthetics are decidedly austere. (Not me. Wasn't a fan of the gaudy statuary.)

 

[brb1006]

Pixar Co-Founder Ed Catmull To Retire After 40 Years
https://deadline.com/2018/10/ed-catmull-retiring-pixar-co-founder-disney-animation-1202488262/

 

[WEDwaydatamover]

I feel that the original IASW exterior and Mary Blair load/ unload WERE equally as good if not better than Disneyland's.

I was actually disappointed with Disneyland's version the first time that I rode it in 2001 having been on the MK version countless times.

Now I'm not talking about what you see today with the reversed entrance, cheap facade signage, eeh revision of Mary Blair's art in the boarding area and those crappy pastel plastic boats.

Many people on these forums have no clue how late to the party they were.

Does anyone know if the original mural was completely destroyed or covered over?

I've seen photos and it looks like small areas were cut out during the last major asbestos abatement, but can't tell if it's forever gone.

The images looked like what they did to the Mary Blair mural at Disneyland's Tomorrowland. Mostly still intact but somewhat damaged.