A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

geekza

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None of it was personal attacks? Huh? He certainly talked about "attacking" Justin Bieber and raping women. You guys really need to stop dismissing this stuff. You can say he apologized, you can say it is old, but it looks really bad when you try to downplay what he did say. I'd rather he said "so and so is ugly or stupid" or that type of thing instead of the truly vile stuff he did. Trust me, this "oh it wasn't so bad!" stuff is going to bite you guys in the behind in the future.

It's not that I "feel more strongly" about them - I just don't think we should be glossing over what they were. I didn't say they were criminal, either. I have said since the very beginning I was not happy he was fired over this. But I also think people are being a bit selective by trying to make it out like they were just a few innocent jokes.

I mean, he was writing "joke" posts about having sex with Justin Bieber...when Bieber was only 16. Would we be quite so quick to dismiss them if these "resurfaced" sex jokes were instead about raping Daktoa Fanning, and he was conservative? I don't think so. We all know it would be totally different.

And while it seems people want to pretend they were just pedophile "jokes", because somehow that means it is a "conspiracy" or whatever, they are also ignoring the female rape "jokes" - which make it more 'real'. Let's also not forget about the SHEER VOLUME of material we are talking about.

Just to say they were jokes that "were not to some people's taste" is totally whitewashing them. These were sick, terrible things that even ten years ago it wasn't right to say. It wasn't just some momentary lack of judgement. I don't care if others were doing it, or that some people thought it was cool and edgy - these types of statements were never okay.

I hate to have to point all this out, but when you guys systematically ignore the facts and keep trying to make it out like he is some 100% victim who did nothing whatsoever wrong to begin with, that this is all just a-OK behavior, but these darn conservative crazies are just going after him out of thin air, I can't help but do a reality check as to what it really is we are talking about.
I guess I just feel like there is a world of difference between jokes and actions. With jokes, you either think they're funny or you don't. In Gunn's case, it was blatantly obvious that he was joking. Will my opinion come back to "bite" me in the future? In this case, I doubt it. If it does, it just means that society has moved past the point of reason.

I've said my piece. I understand your position. I just vehemently disagree with it.
 

AEfx

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I guess I just feel like there is a world of difference between jokes and actions.
That's a straw man. I don't think anyone here is arguing that somehow he is guilty of child molestation.

I absolutely agree there is a difference between jokes and actions - I'm generally the one trying to make people understand that. In this case, however, when you make "jokes" about sex with actual children, and further make other "jokes" mentioning these things your friend, who is now a convicted pedophile, you really have a crossed a line and that people dismiss them as "jokes" is just kind of sick, to be honest.

As I said, though, I do think many would feel much differently about, say, the comments about having sex with an underage Justin Bieber (said at a time Justin was 16) was about an underage girl at the time, like Daktoa Fanning, and it was a "joke" uncovered by SJW's and he was conservative.

You can agree that the punishment didn't fit the actions he did, but that people are trying to minimize those actions says more about not wanting to accept the truth of what actually did happen, and just trying to make excuuses because you like him and his politics, and don't like the politics of those that brought it up.
 

AEfx

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If you told me 5 years ago the actor for Drax the Destroyer thought he could call the shots vs Iger I’d have called you crazy
His most recent tweets just made me think of how ironic it is that yet another person is essentially destroying their career with/over Twitter statements...all in a hub-bub about....Twitter statements. He has gone past making his opinion known and has veered into insubordination territory. I know some are cheering him on because they really like what he is saying, but what he has now officially crossed the line to unprofessional and not something a future employer is going to want to risk happening to them (since it seems he has no interest in working for Disney past GotG3, regardless).

By saying the only reason he is coming back for GotG3 is because of his contract, I think he isn't realizing how highly replaceable he really is. Drax is funny because of the way he is written, specifically to be acted "badly". That's what makes people laugh. I like his portrayal and all, but he wasn't exactly chosen for his acting ability, either. If he really doesn't want to come back but feels obligated, I'm sure Disney would accommodate his wishes and replace him. I wonder if John Cena is available?
 

Rodan75

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His most recent tweets just made me think of how ironic it is that yet another person is essentially destroying their career with/over Twitter statements...all in a hub-bub about....Twitter statements. He has gone past making his opinion known and has veered into insubordination territory. I know some are cheering him on because they really like what he is saying, but what he has now officially crossed the line to unprofessional and not something a future employer is going to want to risk happening to them (since it seems he has no interest in working for Disney past GotG3, regardless).

By saying the only reason he is coming back for GotG3 is because of his contract, I think he isn't realizing how highly replaceable he really is. Drax is funny because of the way he is written, specifically to be acted "badly". That's what makes people laugh. I like his portrayal and all, but he wasn't exactly chosen for his acting ability, either. If he really doesn't want to come back but feels obligated, I'm sure Disney would accommodate his wishes and replace him. I wonder if John Cena is available?
I'm surprised that Gunn hasn't reached out to Bautista and asked him to stop. Because honestly, I think he is making it worse for both of them. The cast statement really should have been the last word from them on the matter. They made their views known, they had a united front. Now let the folks behind the scenes figure out if there is a way forward. (which again there is a teeny tiny % change of Gunn coming back in any form, so no one should get their hopes up)
 

AEfx

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I'm surprised that Gunn hasn't reached out to Bautista and asked him to stop. Because honestly, I think he is making it worse for both of them. The cast statement really should have been the last word from them on the matter. They made their views known, they had a united front. Now let the folks behind the scenes figure out if there is a way forward. (which again there is a teeny tiny % change of Gunn coming back in any form, so no one should get their hopes up)
I think the ship has sailed on Disney taking back their decision, but if there is even a sliver of a chance, you are right, he is definitely not helping.

He is trying to bully Disney online by chastising them for supposedly responding to other online bullies.

So how would those optics look if Disney appeared to be responding to his accusations of falling prey to bullies by letting the actor at the bottom of the call sheet bully them into changing a major corporate decision?

Makes me wonder if he knows something we don't and that decision has been deemed "final", as several outlets have reported.
 

AEfx

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Update: Drax has upped the ante again - he explicitly says in a new interview that if Disney doesn't use Gunn's script, he wants to be let out of his contract.

So, the lowest-tier supporting actor of a billion dollar franchise is issuing an ultimatum to Disney about the highest levels of creative direction.

/wave nice knowing you, guy LOL. Even though I can only remember your name when I look you up. ;)
 

Kman101

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I think it looks bad that action was taken now. They knew about the tweets, it was a "thing" and they still had him helm the movies. I can see why Bautista is mad (guess I can't say the other way). But he really should stay quiet.

Not defending Gunn at all. But I can see why it's getting the mixed reaction it's getting.

We also don't know these people. We know their tweets. The actors know these people. Again, not a defense of James Gunn and his appalling and disgusting tweets.

No one's had friends who've said some awful stuff but they aren't actually that person?
 
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