A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[nevol]

TSL has a custom-built coaster but Pixar Pier is just a cosmetic overlay of an existing asset - has nothing to do with a new development. Pressler never would have greenlit SWL or Tron.

Pixar Pier will have new rides, and some of them will be flats.

IMO any defense of Toy Story Land just demonstrates how far the parks and guest expectations have declined. That isn't meant as an insult lobbied at you; you are objectively pointing out that some of the rides are not off the shelf, and that money is being spent in ways it wouldn't have been in the Pressler era. But the type of development we are looking at is not something we would have seen pre-Pressler. Toontown even had a dark ride and a highly-themed land. This was pitched at d23 2015 as DHS' answer to Cars Land, when all it is is DHS' answer to Busch Gardens Tampa and their Cheetah Hunt attraction.

 

[Mike S]

Well to be fair, the ones in HKDL and Paris kind of are. DHS could honestly use a couple of those on top of the Mater's clone and sadsack roller coaster they're building.

After riding the new Luigi's I wish that's what we were getting and not Mater.

Sooooooooo much fun.

 

[Kman101]

Pixar Pier will have new rides, and some of them will be flats.

IMO any defense of Toy Story Land just demonstrates how far the parks and guest expectations have declined. That isn't meant as an insult lobbied at you; you are objectively pointing out that some of the rides are not off the shelf, and that money is being spent in ways it wouldn't have been in the Pressler era. But the type of development we are looking at is not something we would have seen pre-Pressler. Toontown even had a dark ride and a highly-themed land. This was pitched at d23 2015 as DHS' answer to Cars Land, when all it is is DHS' answer to Busch Gardens Tampa and their Cheetah Hunt attraction.

And Pixar Pier is getting a spinner. Wooooo so exciting. Nothing's confirmed for new rides. I don't think that's fair about TSL. Considering Maters is popular and will be reused for Swirling Saucers. Not to mention the carnival rides on the Pier and the exposed coaster. It's all just as lazy then.

 

[mickEblu]

After riding the new Luigi's I wish that's what we were getting and not Mater.

Sooooooooo much fun.

Really?

 

[Kman101]

After riding the new Luigi's I wish that's what we were getting and not Mater.

Sooooooooo much fun.

Interesting. Maters always seems to be the one to get rave reviews.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

After riding the new Luigi's I wish that's what we were getting and not Mater.

Sooooooooo much fun.

HKDL appears to be getting a version of Luigi's in their Frozen land, but Mater's is a lot of fun for what it is. And I'm sure cheaper

 

[Stevek]

HKDL appears to be getting a version of Luigi's in their Frozen land, but Mater's is a lot of fun for what it is. And I'm sure cheaper

I found Mater to be far more fun than Luigi's.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

Disney has always been traditionally a middle class vacation destination. The poor and ultra rich really aren't the target demographic.

and Disney has priced out their core audience ... the middle class

 

[MisterPenguin]

and Disney has priced out their core audience ... the middle class

So the 200+ {edit: 80+} million people that go to Disney park in one year are all upper class?

 

[GoofGoof]

So the 200+ million people that go to Disney park in one year are all upper class?

Yes...yes we are

 

[choco choco]

Parks are not viewed as an art form.

The movies aren't being looked at as an art form either.

They are viewed as low-brow and derided even from people who work at the highest levels of Disney. You haven't lived until you've listened to Andy (Georgie K's partner and a TDO exec) act akin to that snobby friend of yours that finds out that you like an occasional Big Mac and never lets you forget that you are a lower life form because of it. ...

They treat us in the exact same way with the movies. In their eyes, we're Pavlovian animals. They put in the bare minimum effort of ringing a bell in the form of some well-known franchise (Star Wars! Spiderman! Aladdin! Beauty and the Beast!) and see us trip over our own drool to pay for it.

 

[Sam Magic]

So the 200+ million people that go to Disney park in one year are all upper class?

When Disney started making cabana's and ...they made it pretty clear their new target audience is the upper class. A trip to WDW shouldn't be as expensive as a trip to Europe.

 

[MisterPenguin]

When Disney started making cabana's and ****...they made it pretty clear their new target audience is the upper class. A trip to WDW shouldn't be as expensive as a trip to Europe.

There have been thousand dollar tours and $600/night rooms for a really long time. The cabanas were nothing new.

If the middle class are priced out now as @dennis-in-ct claims, then does that mean the 200+ {edit: 80+} million guests in the US parks this year are all upper class?

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

There have been thousand dollar tours and $600/night rooms for a really long time. The cabanas were nothing new.

If the middle class are priced out now as @dennis-in-ct claims, then does that mean the 200+ million guests in the US parks this year are all upper class?

How are you arriving at 200 million guests? If you go by TEA's flawed numbers, domestic Disney park attendance is well under 100 million per year, and many of those guests are not unique - meaning they go to more than one park. The majority of DHS attendance also visits MK/EP/DAK, majority of DCA attendance also visits DL, etc.

 

[spacemt354]

There have been thousand dollar tours and $600/night rooms for a really long time. The cabanas were nothing new.

If the middle class are priced out now as @dennis-in-ct claims, then does that mean the 200+ million guests in the US parks this year are all upper class?

200+ million? Not even close.
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Rounding up most of the 2016 attendance numbers = approx 82 million guests at the US Disney Parks. And many of those are park hoppers.

 

[MisterPenguin]

How are you arriving at 200 million guests? If you go by TEA's flawed numbers, domestic Disney park attendance is well under 100 million per year, and many of those guests are not unique - meaning they go to more than one park. The majority of DHS attendance also visits MK/EP/DAK, majority of DCA attendance also visits DL, etc.

200+ million? Not even close.
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2017/06/top-25-worldwide.png

Rounding up most of the 2016 attendance numbers = approx 82 million guests at the US Disney Parks. And many of those are park hoppers.

Oops, my bad. Finger slipped when I was putting them in the calculator and one of the figures got increased by a magnitude.

 

[ford91exploder]

Yes, the international lands all feature rides straight from the Intamin catalogue, but you can’t blame Chapek for rides opened before he was shuffled over to Parks and Resorts.

Since TSL is a clone of what was done overseas the rides will also be the off the shelf ride mechanisms

But i guess bolting a fibreglas shell on to the first and last car and a disney paint job makes it a custom ride system

 

[peter11435]

Since TSL is a clone of what was done overseas the rides will also be the off the shelf ride mechanisms

But i guess bolting a fibreglas shell on to the first and last car and a disney paint job makes it a custom ride system

Except the rides are not the same as those found at any of the other toy story lands. I'm pretty sure you know that.

If you want to call slinky off the shelf then you have to also call thunder mountain, space mountain and every other coaster on property off the shelf. Especially rock n roller coaster.

 

[peter11435]

200+ million? Not even close.
http://www./wp-content/uploads/2017/06/top-25-worldwide.png

Rounding up most of the 2016 attendance numbers = approx 82 million guests at the US Disney Parks. And many of those are park hoppers.

Many of those visited different parks on different days but not "park hoppers" in the normal sense of that term.

 

[ford91exploder]

The movies aren't being looked at as an art form either.



They treat us in the exact same way with the movies. In their eyes, we're Pavlovian animals. They put in the bare minimum effort of ringing a bell in the form of some well-known franchise (Star Wars! Spiderman! Aladdin! Beauty and the Beast!) and see us trip over our own drool to pay for it.

If more of us ignored the bell and said Disney i'm spending my money elsewhere until the products improve. For crying out loud even DVC is seeing the quality cuts. Rooms with broken appliances are now the usual thing, Mousekeeping is a joke bring your own cleaning supplies as your gonna need em. And all this with double digit increases in MF's

Sorry i'm not buying what Disney's selling any longer either their narrative or their products.

For those that say more space for me, well you are just validating Disney's strategy