A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

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"we don't sit down and start isolating lists of characters and then build stories around those. we really are starting with the stories themselves, and then some of those characters might come in to what it is we want to do or say, we'll consider it then." - KK

"i saw tfa for the first time at the screen that he (GL) was at, and, when i saw him, i gave him a hug and whispered in his ear, "it'll never be the same."" - MH

 

[Hakunamatata]

Just figured I'd take a break from the second of two 24/7 Star Wars threads on the Disney World forum to point out today's Disney World news.

A spirit thread and Disney news? Must be throw back thursday.

 

[Bairstow]

"we don't sit down and start isolating lists of characters and then build stories around those. we really are starting with the stories themselves, and then some of those characters might come in to what it is we want to do or say, we'll consider it then." - KK

Wait... what? I'm trying to wrap my head around this. What sort of creative process is she even describing? Is she saying that they sit around and decide that they want a big chase sequence in space, possibly with a casino heist to break up the monotony of the exciting chase sequence, and then decide whether any of the characters the story is about are going to participate in any of these events?
Or is this like, ILM is already working on an X-Wing doing a U-turn, a bunch of white explosions, and maybe a horse/preying mantis or something, and someone asks, "Where should we put these F/X sequences"?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

"we don't sit down and start isolating lists of characters and then build stories around those. we really are starting with the stories themselves, and then some of those characters might come in to what it is we want to do or say, we'll consider it then." - KK

"i saw tfa for the first time at the screen that he (GL) was at, and, when i saw him, i gave him a hug and whispered in his ear, "it'll never be the same."" - MH

Excellent quote from hamill...the heart and soul of the greatest movie franchise created...to the end.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Wait... what? I'm trying to wrap my head around this. What sort of creative process is she even describing? Is she saying that they sit around and decide that they want a big chase sequence in space, possibly with a casino heist to break up the monotony of the exciting chase sequence, and then decide whether any of the characters the story is about are going to participate in any of these events?
Or is this like, ILM is already working on an X-Wing doing a U-turn, a bunch of white explosions, and maybe a horse/preying mantis or something, and someone asks, "Where should we put these F/X sequences"?

It's easy to translate: she's completely full of crap...a Hollywood bridesmaid to power brokers for 40 years...never the bride.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Just figured I'd take a break from the second of two 24/7 Star Wars threads on the Disney World forum to point out today's Disney World news.

No...I meant what do you hate about it?

 

[smile]

Excellent quote from hamill...the heart and soul of the greatest movie franchise created...to the end.

at least i had thought so for years, but no...
the guy who had the courage to stand up to sidious and vader simultaneously and had gained the strength to toss his saber away was SCURRRD O THA POWA of a dude who, years later, got bested by chick with no formal training whose godness is, as of now, the result of sheer randomness.

fascinating.

 

[Bairstow]

at least i had thought so for years, but no...
the guy who had the courage to stand up to sidious and vader simultaneously and had gained the strength to toss his saber away was SCURRRD O THA POWA of a dude who, years later, got bested by chick with no formal training whose godness is, as of now, the result of sheer randomness.

fascinating.

Don't worry.
Striking him down has only made him more powerful.

 

[smile]

Don't worry.
Striking him down has only made him more powerful.

lol ... guilty.

inferring simply that with george out of the picture, nobody knew luke better than he...
a character that had meant so much to so many people by his attitude in the fight against the greatest villain of all time, who just happened to be his father, by the way.

the deconstruction of that makes for interesting fan fiction, i suppose, but not for a saga story - just not my bag, baby.

why does this discussion make me feel like old mike corleone?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

at least i had thought so for years, but no...
the guy who had the courage to stand up to sidious and vader simultaneously and had gained the strength to toss his saber away was SCURRRD O THA POWA of a dude who, years later, got bested by chick with no formal training whose godness is, as of now, the result of sheer randomness.

fascinating.

You mean the one captured on recording talking about how that part was written all wrong a few weeks back?

 

[smile]

yeah - not a secret how he really feels, which i, obviously, give weight...
and many of his initial reactions also mirror my own.

always a good time seeing KK squirm whenever MH would open his mouth during a panel - when she abruptly reigned him in that one time i almost fell off my chair.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

yeah - not a secret how he really feels, which i, obviously, give weight...
and many of his initial reactions also mirror my own.

always a good time seeing KK squirm whenever MH would open his mouth during a panel - when she abruptly reigned him in that one time i almost fell off my chair.

This disconnect was real and the tension was palpable before they released...now it all makes sense.

I assume hamill will make an appearance in the last movie...why bother now? He saved 10 people and his dead "sister"...but Abrams loves him.

But what also came out is that Johnson insisted that cliff scene be shot for 7. I honestly don't think Abrams was gonna have Luke in it...just the typical off screen "mystery" he beats into the ground.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I thought The Last Jedi was great. With that being said, I admit I'm in the minority when it comes to Stars Wars fans.
After seeing TLJ, I'm a bit baffled as to where they can possibly go with the story line now. I don't see how another movie is warranted at this point since almost everyone is dead! The Republic and the rebels are a mere shell of themselves.

thank you...for being honest. And I think I'm more of your opinion than I'm being given credit for on these boards.

I don't think it was a "bad movie"...not like prequels...but that doesn't mean it isn't bad for an episode of Star Wars...there are different requirements for these than typical popcorn tent poles.

What's shocking to me - and lost on most of the nasty toned defenders of this movie - is that disney doesn't seem to get that. They're like "buyer unaware" when it comes to Star Wars. There's no excuse for that...especially after what Lucas went through in public with the prequels. You're not gonna break down all the known parts of the originals and try to go in a completely different politico-social direction and not pizz off a large portion of the gen Xers. They were angry with bad movie making in the prequels in the first place. Patience was limited.

 

[ford91exploder]

You answered your own question above...

Because they are chasing quarterlies and bobs retirement parachute...and their philosophy is the brand outweighs the product.

And it did...on their brands that are old and weren't made that way...namely by the Disney's themselves..

The difference here is that while marvel was marginalized...they continued to write the source material the same way they had. The foundation was sound.

Star Wars was not...As much as clone wars did a good job of fleshing out the mess...it was on Cartoon Network and no one saw it.

What did most of the public see? Jar jar repainted in Walmart and reruns of TNT.

Abrams rebooted and dumped the computers...that was important...but the story agenda is kinda a fail. Maybe if Johnson had taken it to another level...but he negated it. And he also has brought too much cgi eye candy back in.

In Iger/KK's hands Star Wars is rapidly heading to Stitch levels of irrelevance.

As awful as the Lucas prequels were they did provide context to the Star Wars saga. How the Emperor and Vader came to be. The Royal Family of Alderaan Yoda and Ben retreating to Dagobah and Tatooine respectively.

People CARED about the characters and their history and development

Under iger/Kk its how to fit the 'blockbuster' formula onto the Star Wars BRAND.

In the process they are destroying everything that makes Star Wars well Star Wars. Just like WDW being turned into a giant mall complex.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In Iger/KK's hands Star Wars is rapidly heading to Stitch levels of irrelevance.

As awful as the Lucas prequels were they did provide context to the Star Wars saga. How the Emperor and Vader came to be. The Royal Family of Alderaan Yoda and Ben retreating to Dagobah and Tatooine respectively.

People CARED about the characters and their history and development

Under iger/Kk its how to fit the 'blockbuster' formula onto the Star Wars BRAND.

In the process they are destroying everything that makes Star Wars well Star Wars. Just like WDW being turned into a giant mall complex.

I'm such a huge fan of both Star Wars and the design/construction history of wdw that I don't WANT to agree with you at all...

...but I totally see the parallels. And boy is it depressing.

 

[wdisney9000]

I finally finished the second season of Man in the High Castle and it reinforced why I so disliked The Last Jedi. It doesn’t just ignore its immediate predecessor but all eight prior films.

I think it is easy to forget that the theme of The Last Jedi was about (as Kylo Ren said) "let the past die". While some may dismiss this as "lazy storytelling", I personally feel it was necessary, (and genius). It challenged everything we thought we knew about Star Wars. Nobody expected Luke to do what he did after the cliffhanger in TFA of Rey handing him his light saber. That scene was the beginning of a new concept for good vs evil. The past should not matter anymore. Why? Because nothing they did in the past worked or made a difference for that matter. Evil rose back every time. The Last Jedi NEEDED to shed the past (IMO) for the story to be able to move forward without becoming repetitive or stagnant.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Having been to WDW recently, it is far from a mall complex. Hell, Disneyland feels more like a mall than WDW. I was there two weeks ago.

 

[wdisney9000]

In Iger/KK's hands Star Wars is rapidly heading to Stitch levels of irrelevance.

As awful as the Lucas prequels were they did provide context to the Star Wars saga. How the Emperor and Vader came to be. The Royal Family of Alderaan Yoda and Ben retreating to Dagobah and Tatooine respectively.

People CARED about the characters and their history and development

Under iger/Kk its how to fit the 'blockbuster' formula onto the Star Wars BRAND.

In the process they are destroying everything that makes Star Wars well Star Wars. Just like WDW being turned into a giant mall complex.

People said TFA was too much like A new Hope. Now they are saying TLJ strayed too far away from what made us fall in love with Star Wars itself. But look at what we are all doing here in this very forum. Exactly what happened back in the 70's when A New Hope hit theaters.....we are talking about Star Wars with SOOOO much passion, asking questions and looking for answers (regardless of personal opinion). I feel the series is more alive than ever!

 

[lazyboy97o]

I think it is easy to forget that the theme of The Last Jedi was about (as Kylo Ren said) "let the past die". While some may dismiss this as "lazy storytelling", I personally feel it was necessary, (and genius). It challenged everything we thought we knew about Star Wars. Nobody expected Luke to do what he did after the cliffhanger in TFA of Rey handing him his light saber. That scene was the beginning of a new concept for good vs evil. The past should not matter anymore. Why? Because nothing they did in the past worked or made a difference for that matter. Evil rose back every time. The Last Jedi NEEDED to shed the past (IMO) for the story to be able to move forward without becoming repetitive or stagnant.

It is lazy story telling because the change has no depth, no struggle, no meaning. It was just done and that was it. Everything before was discarded not just for a few characters forging a new path, but the entire galaxy. It is repetitive because it just resets everything to more of what was before, bigger empire versus smaller rebels.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Having been to WDW recently, it is far from a mall complex. Hell, Disneyland feels more like a mall than WDW. I was there two weeks ago.

Compared to 10 years ago it's practically the mall of America...

It's been "dark times" in the swamp.

All the new attractions will help...it's just that they can't continue to rest on laurels after...

Luckily, I think a big response is coming from Comcast...so they won't have a choice.