A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

jakeman

jakeman

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spacemt354 said:
Where did I say you were 'in the wrong'? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Moreover, if you read my post here yesterday, I said it's wrong when he posts his opinions as statements. Part of me finds it a bit hypocritical for some to continually complain about something they can easily avoid. That's not saying they are 'in the wrong' -- just an observation.
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It's a root cause though. You're validating his dishonest antics by telling people who are calling him out to just ignore him.

The solution to dishonesty isn't to just ignore it and hope it goes away.

I think we have a few pretty good examples in real life of how horribly that can go wrong.

I'm continually disappointed in the reaction of members of the community when a known and proven liar is taken to task.
 
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spacemt354

spacemt354

Chili's
Kman101 said:
why do you find his posts entertaining?
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As to this, I find the polarizing views entertaining in most cases. Deliberately spreading false info? No. But most of what he says is just his opinion. And the reactions the opinions get is also entertaining to extents. As with everything, it can go overboard sometimes, but for the majority of the time I think it spices up discussions that can otherwise be vanilla.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
spacemt354 said:
Where did I say you were 'in the wrong'? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Moreover, if you read my post here yesterday, I said it's wrong when he posts his opinions as statements. Part of me finds it a bit hypocritical for some to continually complain about something they can easily avoid. That's not saying they are 'in the wrong' -- just an observation.
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There was a course called 'expository writing' which was a requirement for graduation, It taught about things like active and passive voice in an english sentence if someone reads something written in active voice as a statement of fact , Then indeed all my worst fears about the US education system are true about people not being taught to separate fact from opinion and EVERYTHING I say here is my opinion based on my personal analysis.
 
jakeman

jakeman

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ford91exploder said:
There was a course called 'expository writing' which was a requirement for graduation, It taught about things like active and passive voice in an english sentence if someone reads something written in active voice as a statement of fact , Then indeed all my worst fears about the US education system are true about people not being taught to separate fact from opinion and EVERYTHING I say here is my opinion based on my personal analysis.
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"Star Wars will not open until 2021." Active voice. Your opinion.
ford91exploder said:
Iger and Co. is the first Disney CEO and executive team who DOES NOT VISIT THE PARKS...
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Active voice. Untrue fact. A lie.
ford91exploder said:
...the party has also been shortened by an hour.
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Active voice. Untrue fact. A lie.

It took about 2 minutes to pull these two examples up.

Your obsession over ESPN and stock buyback are annoying but easily dismissed. Your rampant dishonesty and willingness to lie to make a point is a blight on this forum.

EDIT: I'm out on this topic...at least temporarily...again.
 
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Nubs70

Nubs70

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Kman101 said:
The latest beauty was still being stubborn after Steve//wdwmagic told him that Star Wars Land is opening at DHS in 2019 and he still continues to insist it will open later. I mean, that tells me a lot right there. His having a different opinion isn't the problem. The schtick is overdone. Just like some people find it entertaining some of us don't. And people only get on him when he posts things as facts. Not sure why people are trying to make it that it's an issue of a "different opinion" which couldn't be further from the truth. I welcome different opinions. I think Ford has a solid point every once in a while but as I've said before, it gets lost in the schtick. But he gets a few who fuel him and he gets attention for it, both good and bad. I actually don't dislike Ford, I don't need to be told to block him because I won't, but my frustration is that I actually think he can be better than the schtick (that and the false facts presented as statements and not opinion, even though I guess it should go without saying most of what we post is our own opinion). But we've given it enough attention ...

No one likes anyone beating a dead horse, which we are all guilty of, but we know how he feels.

Now, JT's schtick, that's harmless and slightly entertaining.
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Opening date is set for 2019. Do DIS contractors have a history of delivering on schedule? Is there a history of project delays?

It would not be uncommon or unexpected for a project of this magnitude to open past original projected opening date.

2021, maybe not. 2020, entirely possible.
 
Nickels5

Nickels5

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ford91exploder said:
I say what I think, I don't say what I think will be popular, For those who don't like it the IGNORE button is at your service.

Frankly my only desire is for Disney to uphold the standards it set for itself. As to how I feel about the current track of Disney I've been a DVC member since the time you received admission to the parks along with your stay, As of Dec/Jan I will no longer BE a member as I will be selling as soon as my last point rental contract is completed. That alone ought to say that I'm putting my money where my mouth is WRT Disney's future prospects.

Yes I could have sold before now but that would have meant ruining a couple families Disney vacation and frankly that's not my thing customer satisfaction is my thing, A concept Disney forgot about back in 2010 or so when the cost cutting/service reduction trends really took hold and continue to accelerate today.
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That's one thing, posting things that are straight lies is another.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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Nubs70 said:
Opening date is set for 2019. Do DIS contractors have a history of delivering on schedule? Is there a history of project delays?

It would not be uncommon or unexpected for a project of this magnitude to open past original projected opening date.

2021, maybe not. 2020, entirely possible.
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Sure, things can happen. It could get pushed back, but as of now, it's opening in 2019.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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So a thought came to mind after enjoying a day at Food and Wine yesterday. If they are going to keep pushing these festivals, will they ever refurb the festival center (Wonders of Life) building? The roof is in need of a major cleaning and inside, there’s visible damage from roof leaks all over.

I’d obviously prefer a new attraction, but at least clean the place up if festivals are going to be showcased.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Nubs70 said:
But does DIS have a history of pushing openings back?
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Not when their construction is so visible and on-track and the CEO announces dates for their hottest property. This isn't a case where they announced and then they're still designing and the project hasn't even started (cf. Pandora). The rides are designed and they're building like gangbusters. The announcement dates coincides with their usual long build time. There are zero reasons to presume SWGE will be late. Now... unexpected problems are unexpected. But they even have wiggle room for such a thing.
 
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Nubs70

Nubs70

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AJH219 said:
Except it has been consistently stated as 2019 by all reputable insiders and even the owner of this site. But keeping showing how ignorant you are, gives me another poster to thrown on ignore. I swear the amount of stupid around these parts is staggering lately. And to think, this used to be a vibrant community...no we are reduced to trashy posts like above. Sad!
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I am not disputing what current project timelines currently state. I am looking at the historical performance of project management. Inevitably, delays will occur in critical path items. Most delays can be overcome through additional manpower and expense in order to maintain project timelines.

However, DIS operates as if they only are willing to spend a fixed amount per quarter on a project in order to not create a investment spike in the quarterly report. Unwillingness to crash critical path line items cause entire projects to fall behind.

While 2019 is the goal, delays will happen, proactive project management will keep it on schedule. Based on past performance, 2020 is realistic.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Nubs70 said:
I am not disputing what current project timelines currently state. I am looking at the historical performance of project management. Inevitably, delays will occur in critical path items. Most delays can be overcome through additional manpower and expense in order to maintain project timelines.

However, DIS operates as if they only are willing to spend a fixed amount per quarter on a project in order to not create a investment spike in the quarterly report. Unwillingness to crash critical path line items cause entire projects to fall behind.

While 2019 is the goal, delays will happen, proactive project management will keep it on schedule. Based on past performance, 2020 is realistic.
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So when was pandora announced as opening earlier than it did?
 
FigmentForver96

FigmentForver96

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Nubs70 said:
Did New Fantasyland open on time?
Did Pandora open on time?
Was Disney Springs finished on time?
Did MM+ deliver on time?
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Yep
Depends what you mean
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Depends once again

Disney announced a 2012 opening for most of New Fantasyland and it opened. The only thing that did not was the SDMT which was announced as opening in 2014 due to it starting construction later.

Pandora was announced at the beginning of the development phase hence why it seemed it took so long. Opened in 2017 like it was stated.

Disney Springs opened in phases in the years they said it would.

MM+ I do not count because it is a technological aspect more prone to delays and hiccups although I can admit that it could have been rolled out MUCH better.

Frozen Ever After, SDMT etc all opened when announced.

There is NO proof that Star Wars Land will open later than 2019.
 
Travel Junkie

Travel Junkie

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The LA Times dared to write something negative about Disney. Disney has now barred its entertainment reporters from getting sneak previews of its films for review.


Times note on Disney blackout



The annual Holiday Movie Sneaks section published by the Los Angeles Times typically includes features on movies from all major studios, reflecting the diversity of films Hollywood offers during the holidays, one of the busiest box-office periods of the year. This year, Walt Disney Co. studios declined to offer The Times advance screenings, citing what it called unfair coverage of its business ties with Anaheim. The Times will continue to review and cover Disney movies and programs when they are available to the public.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...imes-note-on-disney-1509668978-htmlstory.html
 

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