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bcoachable

bcoachable

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FigmentJedi said:
This was tweeted earlier today. Replacement for Gigantic's slot?
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Wasn't Loch ness the original rumor for the UK pavilion? I sitll think it's going to be Brave, but I destinctly remember someone saying something about it being an attraction based on Old Nessie...

Edit: Looks like this is already being discussed...
 
No Name

No Name

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MisterPenguin said:
Check out the rumor tracker thread and just how many solid rumors there are. Spirit's contribution to that list is very minor.

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/rumor-and-timeline-tracker-v-2.934137/

And the other insiders who furnish the bulk of those rumors don't couch them in breathless grab-your-tiki-torch hysteria deriding anyone who disagrees with them.

Spirit's contribution to rumors in the past two years has been waning as his presence also waned. And yet, the board seems to be as popular as ever and sources of information flow freely.

We'll see how a blog where he's the only source fares...
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There's the very difference... I don't think any other person on here would have more success with their own blog than Spirit.

It's a different kind of information, like why things have happened, why Bob Iger is ing his pants, etc. Less ride and park specifics. It's stuff that can't all be quantified so nicely on a rumor list. Oh, and no doubt wrapped in sensationalism. People love that. That's why he has such a following. That's blog material. Short, quick, dry rumors aren't exactly blog material.

Not everyone likes his style, but you'll find few who can't admit that he's been one of the most valuable sources of information over the last two decades.
 
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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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egg said:
There's the very difference... I don't think any other person on here would have more success with their own blog than Spirit.

It's a different kind of information, like why things have happened, why Bob Iger is ****ing his pants, etc. Less ride and park specifics. It's stuff that can't all be quantified so nicely on a rumor list. Oh, and no doubt wrapped in sensationalism. People love that. That's why he has such a following. That's blog material. Short, quick, dry rumors aren't exactly blog material.

Not everyone likes his style, but you'll find few who can't admit that he's been one of the most valuable sources of information over the last two decades.
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The question of course is does Spirit even care about Disney any longer, He's in the media industry and Disney is doing its damndest to destroy themselves for the sake of short term profit and and excursions into leftist SJW polytricks.

So one wonders if Spirit finds Disney worthy of investing time in reporting about Disney.

I expect Spirits blog to be about the themed entertainment industry with lots of 'inside baseball' stories from all the players worldwide.
 
Nj4mwc

Nj4mwc

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Spirit is definitely a major factor that drew me to this site, I have stuck around because I have come to enjoy the contributions of many others even the ones who seem to really anger people like ford91 explorer, sprits style definitely draws one in but it was definitely helpful In discovering all the other personalities. I will happily stick around here as well as follow whatever form spirits new venture takes
 
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AEfx

AEfx

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egg said:
There's the very difference... I don't think any other person on here would have more success with their own blog than Spirit.

It's a different kind of information, like why things have happened, why Bob Iger is ****ing his pants, etc. Less ride and park specifics. It's stuff that can't all be quantified so nicely on a rumor list. Oh, and no doubt wrapped in sensationalism. People love that. That's why he has such a following. That's blog material. Short, quick, dry rumors aren't exactly blog material.
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Here's the thing, though - here, he is just a handle on a message board. He's somewhat protected by anonymity. He is going to have a much more difficult time with making a lot of the statements that he does on his own blog, because his identity would come out instantly - and he is going to be personally responsible for them (and any conflicts of interest would be immediately apparent). I mean, I know who he is - it's not exactly a state secret.
 
Pixieish

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AEfx said:
Here's the thing, though - here, he is just a handle on a message board. He's somewhat protected by anonymity. He is going to have a much more difficult time with making a lot of the statements that he does on his own blog, because his identity would come out instantly - and he is going to be personally responsible for them (and any conflicts of interest would be immediately apparent). I mean, I know who he is - it's not exactly a state secret.
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Not necessarily...you don't have to use your real name on a blog, and domains can be registered privately.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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CherylM said:
Not necessarily...you don't have to use your real name on a blog, and domains can be registered privately.
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What I mean is, plenty of people know who he is. Some he has told, some he hasn't. He's never told me, and I know - and I'm nobody - so you can bet a lot of people who are "somebody" (including those that wouldn't like the types of things he has to say) know, too.
 
the.dreamfinder

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brb1006 said:
Frank Oz admits 'it hurt' to give up Muppets, says they'll never be as 'touching and soulful' (exclusive)
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However, people are satisfied with what they see, in my opinion — they don’t know that there could be so much more, and if they had the opportunity to see the characters be more three-dimensional and grow more, they would flock to them more.
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This is my personal view of Disney.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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insert name here said:
If he loves the Muppets and is so concerned about them, why doesn't he step in and do something? Sounds like a lot of talk and no action from Frank Oz...
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And what the hell do you expect him to do, exactly?

He doesn't have any ownership of them, and he physically can't play them anymore, anyway. Unless Disney hires him in some creative role, he doesn't have say over anything.
 
PizzaPlanet

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AEfx said:
And what the hell do you expect him to do, exactly?

He doesn't have any ownership of them, and he physically can't play them anymore, anyway. Unless Disney hires him in some creative role, he doesn't have say over anything.
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You would think if he offered to step in and offer some creative direction Disney would welcome it, as that seems to be the biggest issue with the Muppets right now. Maybe I'm over simplifying things, but it's kind of odd for the guy who left the characters in the first place to talk about how they're being mismanaged every time he's interviewed. Of course I mean no disrespect to Frank Oz, as he is a legend and can say whatever he wants. We both just want the best for the Muppets, and I wish he would try to help.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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insert name here said:
You would think if he offered to step in and offer some creative direction Disney would welcome it, as that seems to be the biggest issue with the Muppets right now. Maybe I'm over simplifying things, but it's kind of odd for the guy who left the characters in the first place to talk about how they're being mismanaged every time he's interviewed. Of course I mean no disrespect to Frank Oz, as he is a legend and can say whatever he wants. We both just want the best for the Muppets, and I wish he would try to help.
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Yeah, I do think you are over-simplifying it, and it's hard to not see it as a lack of respect for the guy when you are making him sound like some neglectful parent.

Again, he cannot perform them anymore, he's in his mid-70's, and he has no ownership to be able to do anything. Disney certainly knows how to get in touch with him given he still occasionally does Yoda's voice (and if you read the cited article, he is in touch with certain people at Disney who deal with the Muppets regularly). His speaking out like he does in that article, as candidly as he does, is clearly indicative of Disney's desire to not include him. He really takes a professional risk by saying as much as he does.
 
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shernernum

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AEfx said:
Yeah, I do think you are over-simplifying it, and it's hard to not see it as a lack of respect for the guy when you are making him sound like some neglectful parent.

Again, he cannot perform them anymore, he's in his mid-70's, and he has no ownership to be able to do anything. Disney certainly knows how to get in touch with him given he still occasionally does Yoda's voice (and if you read the cited article, he is in touch with certain people at Disney who deal with the Muppets regularly). His speaking out like he does in that article, as candidly as he does, is clearly indicative of Disney's desire to not include him. He really takes a professional risk by saying as much as he does.
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True, and he has been involved with many phenomenally creative projects over the years so he is someone to respect, especially when it comes to the Muppets. However, just because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The direction of the TV show was awful. The first of the new Muppets movies was great, the second....not so much.
There YouTube presence a few years ago was pretty in keeping with who they are, and the stuff in Liberty Square is fun. Hopefully, they can right the ship from the TV Show and the last movie in the future.
Like I said I have a lot of respect for Oz and his contributions, but it's not like he hasn't been involved in some duds in his time. His record as a film director is a case in point: some great (Bowfinger, Little Shop), some not so much (The Score, Stepford Wives). It is his opinion and he is entitled to it as it is a very personal subject to him, but I can point to a lot of examples in which original contributors/creators were locked out of the "reboots" or continuations of their work and were bitter and angry, yet the product was still good.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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shernernum said:
True, and he has been involved with many phenomenally creative projects over the years so he is someone to respect, especially when it comes to the Muppets. However, just because he says it doesn't mean it's true. The direction of the TV show was awful. The first of the new Muppets movies was great, the second....not so much.
There YouTube presence a few years ago was pretty in keeping with who they are, and the stuff in Liberty Square is fun. Hopefully, they can right the ship from the TV Show and the last movie in the future.
Like I said I have a lot of respect for Oz and his contributions, but it's not like he hasn't been involved in some duds in his time. His record as a film director is a case in point: some great (Bowfinger, Little Shop), some not so much (The Score, Stepford Wives). It is his opinion and he is entitled to it as it is a very personal subject to him, but I can point to a lot of examples in which original contributors/creators were locked out of the "reboots" or continuations of their work and were bitter and angry, yet the product was still good.
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I'm not sure what you are talking about.

He basically said the performers are doing pretty much the best they can in bringing the characters to life, but Disney keeps putting them in crappy projects that don't fit them well.

Seems pretty spot on to me.
 

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