A Flap in the Right Direction

markjohns1

markjohns1

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GothMickey said:
Ok, taken directly from the book.... Eisner's own words:

[Eisner quote]

I bolded the key phrase there... Iger has surrounded himself with analysts and accountants, and NO creative minds... And look at what is happening to the company... Say what you want about Eisner, jt, but he knew what he was talking about... Iger is killing the brand... Rasulo is killing the parks... Dare I say the company is beginning to "ossify and atrophy" like Eisner said???
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As a WDW fan, Iger's tenure has left a lot to be desired. It's clear that WDW is on cruise control, coasting on its reputation and the use of creative marketing. The focus for theme parks is generally global at this point. It's a bit much to say that Iger is killing the brand, however. Iger has been taking TWDC back to its roots by breathing life into the tarnished animation and film studios. Iger thankfully acquired Pixar, whose largest contribution has to be the people that have been brought on board. WDAS/WDFA appears to be back on the right track, and live action film looks like it will be coming around too with the infusion of some highly creative individuals. Just look at the upcoming lineup and it's plain to see that it will be a great time to be a Disney movie-goer. Hopefully that kind of perspective and effort will eventually be applied to WDW down the road.

GothMickey said:
No, I quoted from a man that took a company on the brink of disaster and collapse and brought it back to life with successful movies, revival of the animation department, and expansion and growth in the theme parks. All that in the matter of 5-10 years. Where has your boy Iger been?? Sitting on his thumbs??? Getting punked by the Chinese???? Hiring MBAs to run theme parks??? I would have to say, Eisner's comments are dead on right. And Iger is now living proof of it.

And I once again ask you, if you claim to know so much, then spill the beans.
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That man also ran that revived animation department into the ground. He also was ready to let Pixar slip away. He did some great things, especially in regards to the parks, but we are also lucky Iger took over when he did.
 
SirGoofy

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markjohns1 said:
That man also ran that revived animation department into the ground. He also was ready to let Pixar slip away. He did some great things, especially in regards to the parks, but we are also lucky Iger took over when he did.
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He forgot his own advice. Plain and simple. He did exactly what he said shouldn't be done, but Iger has carried that frame of mind right over to the new regime.
 
jt04

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SirGoofy said:
He forgot his own advice. Plain and simple. He did exactly what he said shouldn't be done, but Iger has carried that frame of mind right over to the new regime.
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Disneyland's 50th? DCA? Pixar Place? New Liberty Square? New Hong Kong?
 
jt04

jt04

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markjohns1 said:
As a WDW fan, Iger's tenure has left a lot to be desired. It's clear that WDW is on cruise control, coasting on its reputation and the use of creative marketing. The focus for theme parks is generally global at this point. It's a bit much to say that Iger is killing the brand, however. Iger has been taking TWDC back to its roots by breathing life into the tarnished animation and film studios. Iger thankfully acquired Pixar, whose largest contribution has to be the people that have been brought on board. WDAS/WDFA appears to be back on the right track, and live action film looks like it will be coming around too with the infusion of some highly creative individuals. Just look at the upcoming lineup and it's plain to see that it will be a great time to be a Disney movie-goer. Hopefully that kind of perspective and effort will eventually be applied to WDW down the road.

That man also ran that revived animation department into the ground. He also was ready to let Pixar slip away. He did some great things, especially in regards to the parks, but we are also lucky Iger took over when he did.
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You are exactly right and the future will prove it!
 
SirGoofy

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jt04 said:
Disneyland's 50th? DCA? Pixar Place? New Liberty Square? New Hong Kong?
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Disneyland's 50th was 2005. Eisner stepped down in 05.

DCA had to be done the park was a failure. A failure that Iger helped create.

Pixar Place has one mediocre to good ride.:shrug:

New Liberty Square had nothing to do with Iger. Sorry to burst your bubble, JT.

Hong Kong happened, and yet Iger completely mishandled the situation with the Chinese according to everyone in the know.

Looks like a real great track record to me.
 
GothMickey

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SirGoofy said:
He forgot his own advice. Plain and simple. He did exactly what he said shouldn't be done, but Iger has carried that frame of mind right over to the new regime.
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You are right Sir. Eisner brought the company back from the dead. I am o Eisney apologist, but, if we are going to bash him for 5 years of failing, then we have to applaud him for 10 years of major success. Iger hasn't had any success. Oh, wait, he made a no brainer decision to buy Pixar. Other than that, what has he done? Squat.

Like Eisner said, surrounding yourself with MBAs and not creative minds will kill the company. Disney is currently in control of MBAs, and on cruise control. I do not see a bright future ahead unless Iger grows a pair of grapefruits. But, if his dealing with the Chinese is any indication of his leadership and managerial skills, then the company is doomed.
 
GothMickey

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jt04 said:
You are exactly right and the future will prove it!
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You keep talking about the future. STOP! You bring nothing. You prove nothing. There is nothing to show there is a bright future ahead. NOTHING. Your sheriff talk is annoying to all high heaven. There IS no new sheriff. And if you claim to know, then REVEAL already. Fact is, you know didley squat about didley squat.
 
jt04

jt04

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SirGoofy said:
Disneyland's 50th was 2005. Eisner stepped down in 05.

DCA had to be done the park was a failure. A failure that Iger helped create.

Pixar Place has one mediocre to good ride.:shrug:

New Liberty Square had nothing to do with Iger. Sorry to burst your bubble, JT.

Hong Kong happened, and yet Iger completely mishandled the situation with the Chinese according to everyone in the know.

Looks like a real great track record to me.
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If you are going to blame Iger for DCA then you have to give him credit for DL's 50th. If you want to be consistant.

Pixar Place is one of the most popular places at any of the parks and has some of the longest wait times in both locations. Guest satisfaction and re-rideability are off the charts. You have to admit that if you want to be credible.

Hmmm, Iger gets the blame for all that is bad even before he was CEO but none of the credit for the good (Liberty Square). You have to admit that is wrong headed if you want to be honest.

From what I understand, Iger handled the Hong Kong deal well enough that it happened and the door is now open to one of the biggest markets in the world even when his critics said it wouldn't happen. You have to admit that if you are forward looking.

People also critisized him for paying what he did for Pixar, but we know how that has turned out. Some track record, huh? :D
 
Figment632

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jt04 said:
If you are going to blame Iger for DCA then you have to give him credit for DL's 50th. If you want to be consistant.

Pixar Place is one of the most popular places at any of the parks and has some of the longest wait times in both locations. Guest satisfaction and re-rideability are off the charts. You have to admit that if you want to be credible.

Hmmm, Iger gets the blame for all that is bad even before he was CEO but none of the credit for the good (Liberty Square). You have to admit that is wrong headed if you want to be honest.

From what I understand, Iger handled the Hong Kong deal well enough that it happened and the door is now open to one of the biggest markets in the world even when his critics said it wouldn't happen. You have to admit that if you are forward looking.

People also critisized him for paying what he did for Pixar, but we know how that has turned out. Some track record, huh? :D
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Thats whats happens when you are in the big seat, people remeber the bad more than the good. On thing I will say is he is way better than Eisner.
 
SirGoofy

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jt04 said:
If you are going to blame Iger for DCA then you have to give him credit for DL's 50th. If you want to be consistant.
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True. My apologies.:wave:

jt04 said:
Pixar Place is one of the most popular places at any of the parks and has some of the longest wait times in both locations. Guest satisfaction and re-rideability are off the charts. You have to admit that if you want to be credible.
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Yes, guests love it, but the wait time is because of the ride being poorly designed for guest output. And personally, I think the ride is a mediocre to good at best Disney caliber ride.


jt04 said:
From what I understand, Iger handled the Hong Kong deal well enough that it happened and the door is now open to one of the biggest markets in the world even when his critics said it wouldn't happen. You have to admit that if you are forward looking.
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And from what I understand, he did the complete opposite.

jt04 said:
People also critisized him for paying what he did for Pixar, but we know how that has turned out. Some track record, huh? :D
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There was nothing wrong with the acquisition of Pixar, and it was a no brainer move.
 
GothMickey

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Pixar Place is one of the most popular places at any of the parks and has some of the longest wait times in both locations. Guest satisfaction and re-rideability are off the charts. You have to admit that if you want to be credible.
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Pixar Place is fine. Toy Story isn't anything special. I enjoy the ride, but I also enjoy Buzz. Doesn't mean they are earth shattering rides that WDI used to put out. It is more of the same. 3D and screens. I see nothing innovative there.

Hmmm, Iger gets the blame for all that is bad even before he was CEO but none of the credit for the good (Liberty Square). You have to admit that is wrong headed if you want to be honest.
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Give him credit for an attraction that may or may not be closed down every 4 years (HoP)?

From what I understand, Iger handled the Hong Kong deal well enough that it happened and the door is now open to one of the biggest markets in the world even when his critics said it wouldn't happen. You have to admit that if you are forward looking.
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So, getting spanked by the Chinese government, being FORCED to pay the entire amount of the expansion despite not even being majority owners, is forward looking? Wow, if Iger ran GM, they would have been bankrupt long before this year.

People also critisized him for paying what he did for Pixar, but we know how that has turned out. Some track record, huh? :D
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Buying Pixar was a no brainer since IGER's animation studio is out of whack at this point. And yes, he did over pay.
 
jt04

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GothMickey said:
That is it??? 1 thing and he is a success??? Please give it a rest people. Eisner's first year was more of a success than Iger first 5. Let's be real.
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I think it might be more appropriate to give Frank the credit because Eisner was lost without him. It was Wells not Eisner.

Iger is much much more methodical in his approach than ME's grandstanding.
 
SirGoofy

SirGoofy

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jt04 said:
I think it might be more appropriate to give Frank the credit because Eisner was lost without him. It was Wells not Eisner.

Iger is much much more methodical in his approach than ME's grandstanding.
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Except Eisner didn't start his decline until after about 5-7 years after Wells's untimely passing. And even then, TDS opened up, along with Animal Kingdom.
 

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