A Flap in the Right Direction

[EPCOT Explorer]

Just the fact that Eisner had the Disney Decade and the New Renaissance (say it like Irons!:lol says something about him. Iger...Maybe.

I'm so happy to see so many posters who I like finally seeing the day light!



BREAKING NEWS! I, SirGoofy, have just discovered the new sheriff. It took a while, but I was finally able to figure it out. Picture is below. You stay classy, WDWMagic.

:ROFLOL::sohappy:

I have to say, I've been very amused by the fact that the Magic Kingdom's newest E-ticket is being advertised on the guidemap cover now!

Heh. The irony is stunning. That is NEW!:lol:

You are quoting from a man that almost destroyed WDAS. Nuff said.




Thanks, it's nice to know someone appreciates this thread.

So, it's not McPhee? Why not just tell us, jt, and save ton of hot air!:lol:

I appreciate the thread...Very innnneresting talk in here.

 

[markjohns1]

Buying Pixar was a no brainer since IGER's animation studio is out of whack at this point. And yes, he did over pay.

Honestly, you really can't put a price on the talent Disney acquired. TWDC will get huge financial returns on that investment as it is. You can thank Eisner for that price anyways.

Yea, but Eisner brought the company back from the brink of demise, saved WDFA, etc in his first years with the Mouse, which beats out the acquisition of a movie production team.

It's almost insulting to refer to them as simply a "movie production team." You keep jumping on the idea that creativity is everything, and Iger was integral in acquiring some of the most creative people in the film and tech industry. Iger is saving WDFA/WDAS from Eisner's train wreck.

That is it??? 1 thing and he is a success??? Please give it a rest people. Eisner's first year was more of a success than Iger first 5. Let's be real.

There was nothing wrong with the acquisition of Pixar, and it was a no brainer move.

You're kidding right? It's baffling how much the Disney-Pixar acquisition is being underplayed. First of all, Disney only had a distribution deal with Pixar that Eisner was ready to let go. Iger sought out to purchase Pixar. He mended relations with Catmull and Lasseter, and most importantly Jobs. Without Iger's work, Disney would not have had a chance to buy Pixar even if they wanted to.

This might help shed some light on Iger's accomplishments for you. Like I said, domestic P&R are not getting much attention right now, but the moves Iger is making are helping to save TWDC. There was a huge mess to clean up, and obviously it is still a work in progress.

The Disney world does not revolve around P&R, as much as I wish it did, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Iger is saving TWDC from crumbling, and I'm thinking P&R will get the same attention with time.

 

[krankenstein]

I say get Jeffrey Katzenberg back and put him over WDFA, John Lasseter gets parks and resorts, and let Iger take care of TV where he cut his teeth. :lookaroun

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I say get Jeffrey Katzenberg back and put him over WDFA, John Lasseter gets parks and resorts, and let Iger take care of TV where he cut his teeth. :lookaroun

Win. It would be...He has such a good connection to the parks.

 

[SirGoofy]

It's almost insulting to refer to them as simply a "movie production team." You keep jumping on the idea that creativity is everything, and Iger was integral in acquiring some of the most creative people in the film and tech industry. Iger is saving WDFA/WDAS from Eisner's train wreck.

I take nothing away from Pixar. they consistently put out the best movie every year. They do wonderful jobs. the best in the business. But to say the acquisition of Pixar rivals what Eisner did in his first few years is absurd.

The Disney world does not revolve around P&R, as much as I wish it did, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Iger is saving TWDC from crumbling, and I'm thinking P&R will get the same attention with time.

I never saw this "crumbling" that you do. The company needed a change of leadership, and that's exactly what it got. But so far I see nothing that Iger has done that has drastically changed the Eisner ways of having everything run by MBAs.

 

[SirGoofy]

Win. It would be...He has such a good connection to the parks.

Loves 'em more than anyone I have ever met. Which is impressive, because I didn't think anyone could beat me.:lol:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Candy gram for Mongo, or was it JT

 

[krankenstein]

Win. It would be...He has such a good connection to the parks.

Don't forget Katzenberg! Without him we wouldn't have Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. He was truly a great talent Eisner let slip away.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Don't forget Katzenberg! Without him we wouldn't have Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. He was truly a great talent Eisner let slip away.

Oh, I know...It's just that Lassetter, too, could work wonders.

 

[krankenstein]

Oh, I know...It's just that Lassetter, too, could work wonders.

I agree, but he would never take the role. He wants control over animation too.

 

[markjohns1]

I take nothing away from Pixar. they consistently put out the best movie every year. They do wonderful jobs. the best in the business. But to say the acquisition of Pixar rivals what Eisner did in his first few years is absurd.

I don't want to give the impression that Eisner was bad, which I may have been doing in my previous posts. He was essential to the survival of TWDC and pushed it forward in many areas (P&R, ABC, Miramax, 90s feature animation). He did lots in his first 5 years, mainly related to P&R (Disney MGM-Studios and Euro Disney). Iger's moves in the first five years have practically reinvented their animation efforts and brought some of the most talented people in the business into the mix. But I really don't care who is better, because that's not the point. Iger is the scapegoat for the things not happening at WDW, which he rightfully should get some blame for, but WDW is a few trees in the Disney forest. As much as I'd like to see WDW get copious amounts of attention, I still feel Iger's efforts are definitely improving TWDC as a whole. For those reasons, I hardly think we should call for an Iger replacement.

I never saw this "crumbling" that you do. The company needed a change of leadership, and that's exactly what it got. But so far I see nothing that Iger has done that has drastically changed the Eisner ways of having everything run by MBAs.

He is changing things, it just may not be trickling down to WDW at this time. I guess it all depends on if your glass is half full or empty. I think it will trickle down moving forward, but that is purely my outlook. I'm sure others will disagree, and they're more than entitled to feel that way.

 

[SirGoofy]

He is changing things, it just may not be trickling down to WDW at this time. I guess it all depends on if your glass is half full or empty. I think it will trickle down moving forward, but that is purely my outlook. I'm sure others will disagree, and they're more than entitled to feel that way.

I read the article. I think he has done wonderfully with the Animation side of things, but the studio still had a horrendous year last year. Other than Pixar, there's no bright spots in there IMO.

And honestly, I think he is in over his head in the P&R division.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Eisner was simply in the job too long and had no one strong enough around him to advise when things were not as they should be. A story that is not unique to Disney.

 

[The Conundrum]

Disneyland's 50th? DCA? Pixar Place? New Liberty Square? New Hong Kong?

Disneyland's 50th. was during Eisner's time at the top

There is no "new" liberty square. The Hall of Presidents is getting redone because of Obama and Haunted Mansion benefited from A)Disneyland getting updated and B)the florida attraction desperatly needing some maintenance.

Plans to repostition/expand DCA and HKDL have been around for a looooong time before Iger became CEO. It might have even been WDW1974 who first broke the story that HK's Haunted Mansion would be voodoo themed and this was back in 2005 over on Miceage.

I'm starting to get the fealing you really don't know all that much about Disney :veryconfu

Were you even around for the Save Disney campaign in 2004?

 

[The Conundrum]

You are exactly right and the future will prove it!

your turning into a crazy religious zealot like the kind seen in Stephen King books.

 

[The Conundrum]

If you are going to blame Iger for DCA then you have to give him credit for DL's 50th. If you want to be consistant.

Iger had NOTHING to do with Disneyland's 50th. This statement right here should be all the proof anyone needs that you have no idea what you are talking about.

The 50th. was very much Sklar's baby in the bluesky period and as the date got closer Pressler and TDA cooked up a (halfass) plan which was later redone when Matt Ouimet stepped in as President of the park and Michael Eisner expanded it into a global park celebration.

Even after all that it still wasn't what it should have been (it's worse for me because I know what was planned).

That is it??? 1 thing and he is a success??? Please give it a rest people. Eisner's first year was more of a success than Iger first 5. Let's be real.

In his first year, Michael Eisner greenlit Duck Tales, Michael Jackson's Captain EO, and Star Tours. NUFF SAID.

 

[GothMickey]

Iger had NOTHING to do with Disneyland's 50th. This statement right here should be all the proof anyone needs that you have no idea what you are talking about.

The 50th. was very much Sklar's baby in the bluesky period and as the date got closer Pressler and TDA cooked up a (halfass) plan which was later redone when Matt Ouimet stepped in as President of the park and Michael Eisner expanded it into a global park celebration.

Even after all that it still wasn't what it should have been (it's worse for me because I know what was planned).




In his first year, Michael Eisner greenlit Duck Tales, Michael Jackson's Captain EO, and Star Tours. NUFF SAID.

We are starting to see eye to eye? Uhh oh. :lookaroun

 

[Figment632]

While I have changed my mind about Iger being better, Eisner was starting to loose his marbles towards the end.

 

[SirGoofy]

While I have changed my mind about Iger being better, Eisner was starting to loose his marbles towards the end.

Oh no doubt about it. He stayed too long.

 

[jt04]

Iger had NOTHING to do with Disneyland's 50th. This statement right here should be all the proof anyone needs that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I was being facetious. The D&G crowd just can't deal with nuance I see. He was blaming Iger for DCA's original failure, when he was not even CEO. Please don't expect me to respond everytime you don't catch the intention of the post. I don't have the time.

The 50th. was very much Sklar's baby in the bluesky period and as the date got closer Pressler and TDA cooked up a (halfass) plan which was later redone when Matt Ouimet stepped in as President of the park and Michael Eisner expanded it into a global park celebration.

Even after all that it still wasn't what it should have been (it's worse for me because I know what was planned).




In his first year, Michael Eisner greenlit Duck Tales, Michael Jackson's Captain EO, and Star Tours. NUFF SAID.

Is this list meant to impress me or are you also being facetious :ROFLOL: