7 Dwarfs Cottage Scene -- Can't see it during the day

seahawk7

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This is a very informative post. Thanks for sharing.
I agree. We just got back home and this information would have been useful for us since it also happened to us at AK. It just shows that reading these threads before going can help you navigate problems when they come up. Thanks cw1982!
 

seahawk7

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BTW the Dwarves Minetrain went down at least one everyday we were there with the exception of May 23 and the soft opening on May 27 so knowing how to keep your fastpass for it will continue to be very helpful. One day the Imagineer was just looking at the track scratching his head!
 

doctornick

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Gotcha. IDK if it's different because the policy may be different between WDW and DL, or if the general practice has changed since then, or what other reason there may be for the difference... but like I said before, the CM's at guest relations were very surprised that the CM's at 7DMT didn't give out passes to the people who were being ushered out of the queue. I wasn't the only person in line at guest relations for this reason, either... I think half the line was people looking for lost and found items, and the other half was 7DMT related lol. By the time I left the room, I was overhearing the exact same conversation over and over, and all of the guests who were there for the same reason that I was were being given the same pass that I got.

I think DLR has the same general policy as WDW. But the demand for RSR was so great -- and the breakdowns so frequent -- that it was basically impractical to give everyone in line a FP since that would have resulted in basically swamping the FP queue so much that I don't even know if the ride capacity could have handled it. I don't think that the 7DMT has quite the same demand, but I brought it up because there might be the same philosophy going on -- that the 7DMT might be considered an exception to the policy of giving out paper FP in the event of a breakdown.
 

cw1982

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I think DLR has the same general policy as WDW. But the demand for RSR was so great -- and the breakdowns so frequent -- that it was basically impractical to give everyone in line a FP since that would have resulted in basically swamping the FP queue so much that I don't even know if the ride capacity could have handled it. I don't think that the 7DMT has quite the same demand, but I brought it up because there might be the same philosophy going on -- that the 7DMT might be considered an exception to the policy of giving out paper FP in the event of a breakdown.

This could be true. In fact, I think it's very likely. I did notice, however, that when we went back the next morning, the CM's at 7DMT had a stack of those paper passes (I saw one get the stack out and look at them... I was standing right by the entrance lol) so maybe the rush of people going to guest relations the night before tipped someone off that they needed to go ahead and have those passes on hand, practical or not.
 

mweier

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HP&FJ went down last time we went after waiting 45 min standby. They gave us a paper fp for that ride only for rest of day, but it never came back up. Nice that FP+ gets a freebie for anywhere.

Fingers crossed SDMT is fully sorted by time I finally go in August!
 

Dwarful

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The days we were there they were still letting people line up, but outside of the regular line. So at the park opening and everyone made a beeline for either A&E or 7DMT...the 7DMT line wrapped all the way back by Dumbo. We were in line for Pirates and when it went down after 35 minutes they ushered everyone out of that line and didn't offer any compensation. My biggest issue was when the CM told us our FP's would be good later in the day and we went back to use them later the next CM gave us a lot of grief over trying to use expired passes.

In general we noticed more possibly newer CM's that just didn't seem to know what was going on or how to handle certain situations. Whatever the policy is it needs to be clear and followed the same every time....or there is no reason to have a policy.
 

seahawk7

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The days we were there they were still letting people line up, but outside of the regular line. So at the park opening and everyone made a beeline for either A&E or 7DMT...the 7DMT line wrapped all the way back by Dumbo. We were in line for Pirates and when it went down after 35 minutes they ushered everyone out of that line and didn't offer any compensation. My biggest issue was when the CM told us our FP's would be good later in the day and we went back to use them later the next CM gave us a lot of grief over trying to use expired passes.

In general we noticed more possibly newer CM's that just didn't seem to know what was going on or how to handle certain situations. Whatever the policy is it needs to be clear and followed the same every time....or there is no reason to have a policy.
I have experienced CMs not having the same information this past trip very frustrating. I agree that they all should be informed of the policy so those of us trying to enjoy our vacations do not have to educate them. I have run into situations like this a lot and sometimes I'm not involved. I just happen to be next to a CM when a frustrated guest tries to get the same answer they were given before by another CM and unfortunately cannot. Its unprofessional on Disney's part and avoidable by making it mandatory that ALL CMs read their work email to be current on ALL policies as new ones arise.
 

seahawk7

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Unfortunately, most frontline CM's do not get an email account.
Wow that's sad. Emails are so common nowadays. Usually once you get a badge or name tag, you get a work email. Quite ironic that Disney has transitioned to using more technology with magicbands and MDE but doesn't give all their employees email addresses.
 

cw1982

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Wow that's sad. Emails are so common nowadays. Usually once you get a badge or name tag, you get a work email. Quite ironic that Disney has transitioned to using more technology with magicbands and MDE but doesn't give all their employees email addresses.

Even if they did have email accounts, when would they have company time to read them? Many CM's do not work in environments where they can read emails while working, and a company like Disney is not going to put anything in writing that requires their hourly CM's to work when they are not being paid. Their lawyers would never allow it.

Clearly there needs to be some way of better communicating details to CM's, especially around major changes, but I'm not sure what the answer is.
 

seahawk7

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Yeah I agree with you about the need. I thought that was a simple solution. I wonder how the CMs get their work schedules.
 

cw1982

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Yeah I agree with you about the need. I thought that was a simple solution. I wonder how the CMs get their work schedules.

Probably the same way as other service-based industries... there's probably a website where they can login and look at their schedule, and/or they probably post a schedule in CM-only areas.
 

TP2000

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I'm curious as to what they do now that RSR is established and presumably does not have the same kinds of massive waits.

I was at Racers earlier this spring when a little kid jumped down into the track in the loading area, setting off an automatic security response that shut the whole ride down. All the cars in the ride stopped and everyone had to be escorted out.

About 10 minutes into this mess, a series of announcements were made to the queue that clearly stated the delay would be "at least 45 minutes" and that we were "welcome to stay" but that if we wanted to leave we could but would not be able to get back in line. No replacement FP's or courtesy passes were given out throughout the hour delay, but the Racers CM's walked the queue chatting and making small talk and they passed out little Cars Land activity coloring books and packs of crayons to the children to keep them occupied (which several parents near me appreciated more than the kids).
 

Scuttle

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This is a very informative post. Thanks for sharing.
Sure is! So the floating fastpass is like gold. I now officially hope one of my FP+ reservations break down. Crazy I never thought I'd actually want a ride to go down on me, but to be able to hold onto that floating FP for late in the evening during peak season and still be able to use FP like the good ole days is invaluable.
 

SJN1279

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One is a state-of-the-art attraction that had never been attempted before.

The other is not.

I have never seen animatronics as expressive on a ride as I have on the Mine Train. The swinging mine cars are also state of the art. The Mine Train also didn't make me feel ill like a certain boy wizard in his 20's.
 

doctornick

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Sure is! So the floating fastpass is like gold. I now officially hope one of my FP+ reservations break down. Crazy I never thought I'd actually want a ride to go down on me, but to be able to hold onto that floating FP for late in the evening during peak season and still be able to use FP like the good ole days is invaluable.

Oh, yeah, the floating FP is fantastic. We were at MK earlier this year when there was a big T-storm when we had FP+ for Splash (and it shut down). Because of the downpour, everyone headed to the undercover attractions -- we went to the Tiki Room then Pirates. At that point, it was still raining and we decided to go to Space and used our floating FP+ there; we probaly weren't the only people with the idea because the FP+ line was a bit long to get tot he first scanner but moved very quickly. It was actually our last day and we were leaving early and flying that evening, so the ability to actually use that FP+ in a valuable way was a nice perk.
 

natatomic

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What was even worse was that the people who had waited in line for over an hour when it broke were given nothing more than a bland apology. I overhead someone asking if they could get a fastpass to make up for their lost time, and the CM's working the ride said there was nothing they could do. Total nonsense. I know because I got a paper FP when something similar happened to us on EE just earlier the same week. Everyone who was booted from that line got one, and we also got our floating FP since the ride went down during our window (happened automatically).

I did go to guest services and ask for a pass to use on another day, after explaining that we lost our last 30 minutes of park time and couldn't get to anything else to ride instead because they kicked everyone out of line five minutes before closing. The CM's at guest services were shocked that it wasn't handled at the ride but they took care of it. We got a pass that let us ride the very next day... so it actually worked nicely since I got to skip the queue lol.

Even so, it seemed irresponsible for the CM's working the ride to not have been given those passes on hand, since the ride was having so many issues that week. Seems like the supervisors, or whoever makes those decisions, should have been more prepared.

It all depends on where you are in line. Not everyone gets those paper FPs. At Everest, it's if you're inside the building main building (not just the part outside that's covered). If you're inside the building, you walk forward and get a FP, if you're outside the building you walk out the exit and get nothing. Every ride has a different cut-off point. For many of the rides, that cut-off point is merge. I'm fairly confident that's where it is on Seven Dwarves because a friend of mine was in line about 10 feet from merge when it broke down, and he said he didn't get a FP.

And as counter-intuitive as it is, if the ride was having that many issues, they might not give out as many paper FPs. If you have 2000 people waiting in line and the ride breaks down 4 times in one day, that would suddenly be 8000 people with extra FPs on top of all the FPs already distributed for the day. Think of the madness that would ensue every time the ride reopened. I once worked an E-ticket attraction that broke down 3 times on December 27th-ish (i.e., during the busiest week of the year). After the first down time, when we reopened, the FP was a 25 minute wait (due to all the original FPs plus the ones distributed to those kicked out of line and evacuated off the ride) with the line stretching waaaay out the door, and the stand-by line was two hours. After being open 90 minutes, we broke down again, and again had to kick everyone out of line. We had to turn away people who had waited those 90 minutes but were no where near the cut-off point and not give them any FPs. It sucked. We know it did. But we also knew that when we reopened, the FP line was only going to be worse than it was, and it was already at ridiculous levels. If we gave everyone FPs, the FP line would essentially be a stand-by line with a 90 minute wait. Sure enough, it was a mass stampede when we reopened that second time, to the point where there were people actually getting trampled on (and that was just to get into the FP line, which we always reopen first before the stand-by line). The third down time happened after I left, but I heard it was a nightmare. Again, it sucks in those situations, but there's really only so much you can do. It's a lose-lose no matter how you slice it.
 

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