4 Walt Disney World Resorts to accept dogs

MissingDisney

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Gotta crate them, rule number one
I apologize. Who knew bringing up a room of shredded carpet would start “The Great Crate Debate of 2017”.

But to be clear...Well, not always. I’m no dog expert like many others here seemingly claim to be but...I spent a crap ton of money taking our canine love to vets and specialists because he was impossible to crate train. He literally chipped and broke teeth biting the cage wires/bars and the latch. (This was before they had the soft ones). EVERY SINGLE ONE said stop it. Stop it now. (We did, of course, after seeing the first but continued to seek help and answers for him) He was literally claustrophobic. He would sleep on the floor in the middle of the room, lay in the middle of the yard, avoid hallways, would never go in the bathrooms, etc. We got him as a puppy so we knew all was great and well adjusted in his upbringing-it was just him. Luckily, one of us worked from home so he wasn’t on his own that much and when AT HOME, he was fine. It was when we went to visit my mom and he was in a new place he freaked. But thanks.
 
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21stamps

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I apologize. Who knew bringing up a room of shredded carpet would start “The Great Crate Debate of 2017”.

But to be clear...Well, not always. I’m no dog expert like many others here seemingly claim to be but...I spent a crap ton of money taking our canine love to vets and specialists because he was impossible to crate train. He literally chipped and broke teeth biting the cage wires/bars and the latch. (This was before they had the soft ones). EVERY SINGLE ONE said stop it. Stop it now. (We did, of course, after seeing the first but continued to seek help and answers for him) He was literally claustrophobic. He would sleep on the floor in the middle of the room, lay in the middle of the yard, avoid hallways, would never go in the bathrooms, etc. We got him as a puppy so we knew all was great and well adjusted in his upbringing-it was just him. Luckily, one of us worked from home so he wasn’t on his own that much and when AT HOME, he was fine. It was when we went to visit my mom and he was in a new place he freaked. But thanks.

That makes a lot of sense. It was because something specific was wrong with your dog.. like allergies.. or bipolar.. or anything else that could be wrong with an animal or human. (Not calling your dog bipolar!) You’re acknowledging a specific problem, not generalizing all canines as having that specific problem.

You don’t need to have a dog or travel with a pet to have an opinion on this policy. That’s a fact...not an opinion:)

You’re right.. having opinions that lead to the abuse of animals is a wonderful thing. Everyone should advocate it!

Don’t want to pay for doggie day care- just leave your dog outdoors or in a car all day.. problem solved. As long as someone has an “opinion” that it’s ok to do so.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
No, it's the opposite. At least if you are talking about real science, not "current dog culture narrative". This has been proven over and over in this thread.



LOL, you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been trying to educate dog owners throughout the thread about projecting emotional states on dogs.

Funny, though, how you went straight to assigning "happily" there. The dog is "happy" that he is pleasing someone. Not that he's about to be confined to box barely bigger than they are.

Before you waste your breath - I am well aware of the current cult-ish dog owner culture and literature from supposed "trusted" sources that support this practice. It's supported because to places like the Humane Society, it leads to less neglectful behavior from humans to dogs, not because it benefits the dogs. They would rather have it "safely" kept in a small box than people leave dogs on leads outside, etc. for long periods of time as they used to do because there is less of a chance for them to get loose by preemptively confining them.

I will call BS on the rationale, though. Dog's "den mentality" doesn't have anything to do with it. It's just an excuse. That's like saying "humans spend 6 - 8 hours in a spot the size of a coffin while sleeping, therefore it's natural for them to lay in a coffin locked from the outside to sleep". It's about choice.

It's nothing to do with the welfare of the dog, it's about making their behavior easier for humans to manage by acclimating them to confinement. It's about selfish humans who want to own active dogs but force them to only be active dogs when it is convenient to them, and a current movement to make dogs the least trouble to care for, not improving their quality of life.

In any case, I am not going to get into an extended argument about this as I know there will be no budging on either side, because you aren't going to convince me that it's a scientifically valid thing to desensitize an animal to confinement to prevent inconvenience on behalf of their owners, and I'm not gong to convince you that dogs aren't "happy" being locked in a box.
I think you have the concept of proper crating confused with dog owners who use it to control the dog and make their (the humans) life easier.

Crate training a dog is good for many reasons such as travelling in a car, visiting a relatives house who doesnt wish to have the dog roam freely, or even travelling to a pet friendly hotel. The crate should never be used to simply "make life easier". When we crate train a dog, the endgame is to allow the dog to have free roam in your home whether you are there or at work all day but also have the dog acclimated to being a crate without issue if the need arises. And if you think that a dog cannot enjoy being a crate, I assure you, you are wrong. But I also completely agree with you that many people use the crate to make their life easier instead of training or working with their dog to teach boundaries. I ask those people why they even own a dog. Whats the point if you cant enjoy time with it in your home?

I have two Dutch Shepherds which are both personal protection K9's and could easily destroy anything they wanted, but they do not need to be crated ever. Neither have even been in a crate in over a year, but both are acclimated to it and If I ask them to, they will walk right into it without issue. I have worked with and trained well over 500 dogs ranging in all areas from behavioral modification for aggression and anxiety to tracking and detection. I am a dog trainer/handler, a decoy, and a dog behaviorist. I am not a "treat trainer" like you see at your local pet store. We use confidence building to reward the dogs we work with. I was only trying to explain the reasons why crate raining can be beneficial for both the human and the dog. It is not about confinement or punishment. There are many reasons why training a dog to relax and be comfortable in a crate can be helpful. In the end, it appears we both have a love for dogs which is what is important. I never try to tell a person how they should train or live with their dog. I certainly wasnt saying every dog needs to be in a crate either, just offering my professional opinion on the subject.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
he was impossible to crate train
Impossible? No. Most likely the methods being used were not correct. Especially if the dog (actually) has a neurological issue.
EVERY SINGLE ONE said stop it. Stop it now
Who is "every single one"? Just curious. Vets? Trainers? both?
He was literally claustrophobic
Is this your personal diagnosis? Or is it medically documented?
We got him as a puppy so we knew all was great and well adjusted in his upbringing-it was just him
"It was just him".......that mindset will never allow you to make progress. I am not being rude, I promise. But to assume you "knew all was great and well adjusted in his upbringing" is naive.
 

MissingDisney

Well-Known Member
Impossible? No. Most likely the methods being used were not correct. Especially if the dog (actually) has a neurological issue.

Who is "every single one"? Just curious. Vets? Trainers? both?

Is this your personal diagnosis? Or is it medically documented?

"It was just him".......that mindset will never allow you to make progress. I am not being rude, I promise. But to assume you "knew all was great and well adjusted in his upbringing" is naive.
:banghead::rolleyes: Yeah. Ok. Thanks. Again. I would love to be perfect and all-knowing, even just for a day.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
There’s a difference between having an opinion on a policy.. and the nonsense that has been said about dogs in general.

Carry on though.. some of it is amusing. :)
I have no idea what I said that you deem to be nonsense but I’m glad you are at least entertained. With all the negative stuff going on in the world these days it’s good to have stuff to smile about :)
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
But, But $50 night upcharge...
:greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy:

Just wait until they add the dog upcharge for the Halloween party or Christmas party...bring your dog in a costume or Santa hat and get those pictures taken. The upcharge possibilities are endless. Maybe a dog character meal or a dog desert party and fireworks viewing...that one could get messy with all the loud noise o_O:eek::banghead:
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
:greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy:

Just wait until they add the dog upcharge for the Halloween party or Christmas party...bring your dog in a costume or Santa hat and get those pictures taken. The upcharge possibilities are endless. Maybe a dog character meal or a dog desert party and fireworks viewing...that one could get messy with all the loud noise o_O:eek::banghead:

As I recall did not the MK at one point have 'dog days' when you could bring Fido and Fluffy?

There was THIS at least.



It was the little things like this that made WDW Magical at least in my opinion.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
As I recall did not the MK at one point have 'dog days' when you could bring Fido and Fluffy?

There was THIS at least.



It was the little things like this that made WDW Magical at least in my opinion.

I have no doubt if this pilot is successful they will add more of those type events. It’s a gold mine for Disney. They regularly close the MK early for upcharge events during Halloween and Christmas but this would add a potential for year round events and they could rotate parks. Food and Wine dog day, Star Wars dog day at DHS...the possibilities are endless and the profits are potentially huge:greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy:
 

Gitson Shiggles

There was me, that is Mickey, and my three droogs
I have no doubt if this pilot is successful they will add more of those type events. It’s a gold mine for Disney. They regularly close the MK early for upcharge events during Halloween and Christmas but this would add a potential for year round events and they could rotate parks. Food and Wine dog day, Star Wars dog day at DHS...the possibilities are endless and the profits are potentially huge:greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy:
Disney had more restrictions on that event than their new dog policy. Only FL residents could participate; 70 lbs weight limit; documented proof of spay/neuter....
https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...at-magic-kingdom-park-contest-official-rules/
 
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Longers

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In POR now and during our first day have seen 2 dogs - one being taken for a walk by his owner (so I’m not sure how much control they would have had if that dog had seen something and run off) and the other in the car park at block. 24

On a side note I didn’t get any communication about the dog policy I only knew about it because of this forum which I don’t think is right on Disney’s part.

Just thought a current update might be of use!
 

Minnesota disney fan

Well-Known Member
In POR now and during our first day have seen 2 dogs - one being taken for a walk by his owner (so I’m not sure how much control they would have had if that dog had seen something and run off) and the other in the car park at block. 24

On a side note I didn’t get any communication about the dog policy I only knew about it because of this forum which I don’t think is right on Disney’s part.

Just thought a current update might be of use!
Hi: Glad to hear you made it to POR ok. I know you are really excited, and having a ball and eating lots of ice cream! So jealous!
Thanks for the dog update. Sounds like they can be walked everywhere!
 
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