4 Walt Disney World Resorts to accept dogs

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Here's my report on the dog situation at WDW. We have been staying at POR since Sunday, and our room is located in building 80, which is one of the designated dog buildings. I have not, as yet, seen or heard a dog, either in my room, in the hotel walkways, on the resort grounds or in the resort lobby, Riverside Mill/Fultons. Now, POR is a large resort, and I have not walked every pathway here, but, as I stated, no dog sighting as of yet.
Thanks for the update. Seems about on par for what was expected. Initial reports on the PortOrleans.org site said the room assignment department was trying to keep dog bookings in building 24 if possible but only a handful of 1 night dog reservations were booked in the first few weeks so it’s possible there aren’t any dogs there at all right now.

Anyone hear anything from AoA or YC?
 

Horizons '83

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
No, it's the opposite. At least if you are talking about real science, not "current dog culture narrative". This has been proven over and over in this thread.



LOL, you don't have to lecture me on that. I've been trying to educate dog owners throughout the thread about projecting emotional states on dogs.

Funny, though, how you went straight to assigning "happily" there. The dog is "happy" that he is pleasing someone. Not that he's about to be confined to box barely bigger than they are.

Before you waste your breath - I am well aware of the current cult-ish dog owner culture and literature from supposed "trusted" sources that support this practice. It's supported because to places like the Humane Society, it leads to less neglectful behavior from humans to dogs, not because it benefits the dogs. They would rather have it "safely" kept in a small box than people leave dogs on leads outside, etc. for long periods of time as they used to do because there is less of a chance for them to get loose by preemptively confining them.

I will call BS on the rationale, though. Dog's "den mentality" doesn't have anything to do with it. It's just an excuse. That's like saying "humans spend 6 - 8 hours in a spot the size of a coffin while sleeping, therefore it's natural for them to lay in a coffin locked from the outside to sleep". It's about choice.

It's nothing to do with the welfare of the dog, it's about making their behavior easier for humans to manage by acclimating them to confinement. It's about selfish humans who want to own active dogs but force them to only be active dogs when it is convenient to them, and a current movement to make dogs the least trouble to care for, not improving their quality of life.

In any case, I am not going to get into an extended argument about this as I know there will be no budging on either side, because you aren't going to convince me that it's a scientifically valid thing to desensitize an animal to confinement to prevent inconvenience on behalf of their owners, and I'm not gong to convince you that dogs aren't "happy" being locked in a box.
You are treading ever so slightly on waters that Fordexploder threads on. Don't be ridiculous. Millions crate their pets. When you own a dog and get educated on how to care for him/her, please come back and we can have a productive conversation.
 
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21stamps

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Your posts on this subject are great.
I was going to say, that there is a difference between say, a wolf going in a den and a dog going into a crate.
The wolf enters the den on its own accord, and likewise - is free to exit whenever it wants.
The dog by contrast is locked in the crate, and cannot exit until it is opened by the human.
(Yes, I know that the crate is also left open a other times - such as training, and that the dog can view the cage as a - forgive the term - safe space.)
Which leads me to:
My story re. the dog locked in the car.
As long as it wasn't hot out, and the dog had ventilation...
How was being locked in a car any worse than being locked in a crate?

I’m saying this in the nicest way possible, Please Don’t ever get a dog.

You are threading ever so slightly on waters that Fordexploder threads on. Don't be ridiculous. Millions crate their pets. When you own a dog and get educated on how to care for him/her, please come back and we can have a productive conversation.

When people start talking about dogs being left outside all day as a good thing, and “what’s wrong with leaving a dog in a car” Then there is really no way to go from there. I just hope that anyone reading would never take those things as truth or advice.
 

njDizFan

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You have said some crazy and completely wrong things in this thread, but this post tops all of them.

You are so far off base that you aren’t even in the same ballpark. Don’t spread around falsities as facts, it doesn’t benefit anyone.
It makes sense to me, what in this post are you refuting. And if you justify a response with cited material, be assured there are much more evidence that supports these facts. Oh and common sense...an animal likes being in a cage because it's proto species used a den while birthing.:rolleyes:
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Yes, I crate my dog because its safer for him, he is a chewier. If I even considered bringing him (which I won't) to the World he would be crated as well. There is nothing wrong with that, just the responsible thing to do until he is out of the puppy phase, but thanks for the judging

It seems that many here who oppose this pilot, are fairly uneducated on dogs and how they should be trained and cared for.
I agree that a dog who is in a crate at home would likely be more comfortable and relaxed in a crate in the hotel room. That’s pretty easy to understand.

I agree there are some extreme and even bizarre statements being made in this thread. The only thing I will add to possibly give a slightly different perspective is that there is more than one way to train a dog. The crate method works fine for some dogs and owners but it isn’t the only way. I’ve had dogs my whole life and never used a crate or cage. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it either just that I personally wouldn’t do it with my dogs. I don’t think it’s just that people are uneducated. They may just have a different opinion.
 

Incomudro

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I’m saying this in the nicest way possible, Please Don’t ever get a dog.



When people start talking about dogs being left outside all day as a good thing, and “what’s wrong with leaving a dog in a car” Then there is really no way to go from there. I just hope that anyone reading would never take those things as truth or advice.

Well, actually there is...
What's outside all day long?
Is the dog in a well fenced, secure yard on a nice day with access to water and shelter?
How would such a scenario be wrong?
Similarly, how is a dog spending some short period of time inside a ventilated car any worse for it than being locked in a crate?
 

Horizons '83

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I agree that a dog who is in a crate at home would likely be more comfortable and relaxed in a crate in the hotel room. That’s pretty easy to understand.

I agree there are some extreme and even bizarre statements being made in this thread. The only thing I will add to possibly give a slightly different perspective is that there is more than one way to train a dog. The crate method works fine for some dogs and owners but it isn’t the only way. I’ve had dogs my whole life and never used a crate or cage. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it either just that I personally wouldn’t do it with my dogs. I don’t think it’s just that people are uneducated. They may just have a different opinion.
Oh I agree with you as well. I am not suggesting that its the only way, just the current method that I use for my pup.
When its all said and done, I just don't see many folks using this "perk". I myself wouldn't want to travel with my boy, because really I like to escape it all when I am on vacation especially a WDW vacation.
 

21stamps

Well-Known Member
I agree that a dog who is in a crate at home would likely be more comfortable and relaxed in a crate in the hotel room. That’s pretty easy to understand.

I agree there are some extreme and even bizarre statements being made in this thread. The only thing I will add to possibly give a slightly different perspective is that there is more than one way to train a dog. The crate method works fine for some dogs and owners but it isn’t the only way. I’ve had dogs my whole life and never used a crate or cage. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with it either just that I personally wouldn’t do it with my dogs. I don’t think it’s just that people are uneducated. They may just have a different opinion.

Sure, and there’s people who have the opinion that raising dogs to participate in dog fighting is OK.

There’s a difference of opinion, And then there is just plain horribly wrong.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Oh I agree with you as well. I am not suggesting that its the only way, just the current method that I use for my pup.
When its all said and done, I just don't see many folks using this "perk". I myself wouldn't want to travel with my boy, because really I like to escape it all when I am on vacation especially a WDW vacation.
I’m with you on that and it probably goes both ways too sometimes. I’ll be at WDW with my brother and his family in November and their dog is staying with my dad for the week. I’m not sure who’s more excited for the week his kids or the dog;)
Sure, and there’s people who have the opinion that raising dogs to participate in dog fighting is OK.

There’s a difference of opinion, And then there is just plain horribly wrong.
That’s obviously wrong and illegal. The crate thing is a difference of opinion.
 

21stamps

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I’m with you on that and it probably goes both ways too sometimes. I’ll be at WDW with my brother and his family in November and their dog is staying with my dad for the week. I’m not sure who’s more excited for the week his kids or the dog;)

That’s obviously wrong and illegal. The crate thing is a difference of opinion.

Leaving your dog in a car is also illegal in many areas.
Leaving a dog outside all day and night may not be illegal, but it’s a horrible thing to do.

I said earlier in this thread that I have never used a crate for my dog, not even at his groomers - his entire life, every month, he goes to a groomer who only keeps one dog at a time, and charges late fees if you don’t pick your dog up immediately. Same with pet hotels and day cares- I’ve never used one that crates a dog. However, I don’t think other people are wrong for choosing to crate.
Guess what though- his travel carriers are basically a crate, not in looks, but as in enclosure. Carriers for running errands-also enclosed in small space.

You’re right.. people have opinions, but when stated as matter-of-Fact from people who clearly do not have dogs, it’s a little ridiculous.

Yeah I’m a bit crazy.. I’m definitely a ‘pet parent’. We knew that we were getting a high maintenance dog, and my husband was (thankfully) smart enough to be very mindful of the breeder and legit AKC accreditations and awards for her dogs.. we were also very mindful of the training, also with an AKC recommended puppy coach, and then agility coach.

None of them have spewed any of this nonsense of crating being bad and outside being good. There’s a huge inbetween that exists.

ETA- to inject some humor.. TRUST ME, I received a lot of ridicule from my friends for my choice of FB album names, specifically the names of my human child photos vs my canine child photo albums. ha ha

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AEfx

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It makes sense to me, what in this post are you refuting. And if you justify a response with cited material, be assured there are much more evidence that supports these facts. Oh and common sense...an animal likes being in a cage because it's proto species used a den while birthing.:rolleyes:

There are plenty of sources supporting the idea of "crating" dogs - heck, I could provide the links. It is an effective way to reduce the natural behaviors of a dog beyond the extensive domestication that has already been done over centuries. Since people no longer generally live on farms or homes with open spaces, it's a way to "speed up" that domestication to adapt to "modern" lifestyles, by conditioning it to being confined to a small box/cage for extended periods of time. Particularly the idea of a dog living inside the same dwelling as humans and not a dog house is a very modern one.

Just like you can condition any sentient animal (including the higher intelligence animals, like apes and yes, even humans) to "accept" confinement (or, more accurately, stop showing outward signs of protest), "crating" does. Not long ago, someone wouldn't dream of owning a dog in, say, a city. Now, people demand to live wherever they want and still keep an animal that is meant to be running around all day outdoors.

That said, none of the supposed justifications generally given for it for it have any basis in science whatsoever. Wild animals that seek the protection of "dens" (on 3 sides) do so for just that reason - protection, so they don't have to worry about being ambushed by predators. And even in wolves, it's only for mothers with young pups, as you point out. Wolves sleep outside in the open. They are the alpha animals in virtually all environments they live in (hence the terms we use in common parlance - "top dog", "alpha dog", etc).

I don't have a real problem with it, people can do what they want - but the notion that it is "good" for the dog is a lie people tell themselves, and has no basis in reality. It's really simple why, as I said, even some place like the Humane Society supports it - one, because it prevents them from being left unattended outside where there is a greater chance they can get loose and create a problem which leads to...two, because it makes the dog behavior more palatable to humans so the humans don't act aggressively/abusively to dogs, or the owners themselves from doing so when the dog "misbehaves" when left unattended indoors.

That's the irony to it - it's not directly about the welfare of the dog whatsoever, it's about reducing the abuse they receive from humans.


[Note, this an interesting, and essential, difference between dogs and cats - even aside from the fact that small cats are not alpha to begin with, cats do seek out confined spaces (though again, with 3 sides, not 4). It's because we intentionally domesticated dogs, originally for agricultural and transportation work. The notion of dogs as simple pets and not tools is not nearly as old as one would think. Cats, on the other hand, pretty much domesticated themselves - while dogs were bred intentionally to domesticate their behavioral repertoire, the only reason people have ever intentionally bred cats is for physical features that make them more attractive to people.]
 
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AEfx

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Funny side note - I didn't bring my phone with me so I couldn't take a pic, but I noticed a prominent sign at Wal-mart today next to the shopping cart corral. It specifically says that service animals are not allowed to ride in the cart for sanitary reasons. Made me think of this thread. ;)
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
You don’t need to have a dog or travel with a pet to have an opinion on this policy. That’s a fact...not an opinion:)

And yeah, I think (especially for a WDWMagic thread LOL) we have remained remarkably on topic. Dog behavior is certainly pertinent to the topic of dogs at WDW. If people just want the "updates" on the policy, WDWMagic does a wonderful job of tracking actual Disney policy, etc. on the news feed.
 

Pixieish

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Funny side note - I didn't bring my phone with me so I couldn't take a pic, but I noticed a prominent sign at Wal-mart today next to the shopping cart corral. It specifically says that service animals are not allowed to ride in the cart for sanitary reasons. Made me think of this thread. ;)

The crazy part of your post is that a REAL service animal wouldn't be in the cart to begin with.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
The crazy part of your post is that a REAL service animal wouldn't be in the cart to begin with.

LOL, I read it twice - it's actually a bit detailed for a sign at Wal-mart - and both times, I swear, I could just "hear" the quotation marks around "service animal" in the signage. ;)
 

Incomudro

Well-Known Member
I read the back of my express bus ticket for the fist time yesterday, and it says the only animals permitted on the bus are seeing eye dogs.
 

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