Anders Limpar
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How many eateries/bars have been added/refurbished recently? How many rides have been added/refurbished/Frozened recently?
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2015: The year of the EPCOT makeover?
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How many eateries/bars have been added/refurbished recently? How many rides have been added/refurbished/Frozened recently?
Otterhead
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In recent years, let's see: they've added/refurbed The Seas, Soarin', Living with the Land, Spaceship Earth, Test Track, Mission Space, the Canada movie, and now Norway. That's pretty close to every ride in the park. They even did work on Energy recently. I don't begrudge them adding new and better restaurants.
Otterhead
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My memory is that they were right behind/under Spaceship Earth, next to Guest Relations. And yes, guests could use them to make dining reservations. I did so, myself.
PhotoDave219
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I believe they're still there. Just off to the side.
Anders Limpar
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Anything beyond 5 years isn't recent to me so strike SE, The Seas, MS, Martin Short movie. I'll give you Living with the Land even if it is very much a stretch and Soarin' is very much a stretch as well. At the very least, there is nothing brand new in terms of rides added. Wonders of Life is close to having been shut down for ten years. There have been rumors for years that UOE or Imagination is next.
What have they added/refurbed dining/bar wise in that time? Kabuki Cafe, Katsura Grill, Tutto Gusto, Tutto Italia, La Hacienda de San Angel, Via Napoli, Fountainview becoming Starbucks, Spice Road table, Monsieur Paul, Boulangerie Patisserie, etc.
This park is about shopping and dining. Bottom line--that's not good enough.
Otterhead
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So you've set an arbitrary date and declared everything older than that "too old", even though they've literally rehabbed or replaced everything in the park in the past 8-10 years -- adding new, very popular attractions in just the last few years. And in that time they also rehabbed and added new restaurants. I'm not sure why adding restaurants is... bad?
I get that you feel like Epcot isn't worthwhile, but I don't agree, and have no idea why you'd feel that way, and you're ignoring facts. So, okay.
Bing Bong
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Lets see almost all of those were refurbs and not actual new attractions. The last "new" ride that was added to Epcot was Soarin in 2005, and Mission: Space opened in 2003 that was almost 12 years ago... That and Living with the Land is mostly the same as it was in 1995, minus the tour guides.
Otterhead
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The Seas: Complete refurb of the attraction, adding a brand new ride.
Land: Refurb, new ride vehicles
Spaceship Earth: Large refurb, adding new sections, new finale, and complete rehab of exit area with new attractions
Test Track: Complete refurb
Mission Space: New attraction
Norway: Refub (?) we assume
Bing Bong
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Mission: Space: 12 years ago
The Seas: 8 years ago
The Land: basically the same.
Spaceship Earth: just a refurb, not a new attraction
Test Track: just a refurb, not a new attraction
Originally they were along the back wall of Earth Station during EPCOT Centers years.
There were just two terminals in Communicore West. Hardly a "big chunk".
Bing Bong
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No matter what you cannot count it as a new attraction. You can try and spin this argument as much as you want to prove a non-existent point, but you are not fooling anyone.The only thing remaining from Test Track is the track itself; virtually everything else about the attraction and its pavilion was changed. If that's "just a refurb", well, awesome
Seas; partial refurb with a meagre budget. Done on the cheap since Disney had to pay theirselves.
Land: partial refurb. LwtL is in a real mess inside.
SSE - great until they ran out of time and money from 180top to exit.
Test Track - done at Chevrolets insistence and wallet.
Imagination - enough said.
Energy - falling apart.
Innoventions - less and less to see each year. The 1994 extension is now embarassingly unable to hold anything.
Otterhead
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That's nice! My point is this: They've been doing a ton of work on Future World over the past ten years. That's a fact. It's kinda weird that people want to pretend they didn't, but hey, that's cool. I'd certainly hope they put work into neglected attractions like Imagination and Energy soon.
Just found the photo of what I remembered of WorldKey.
That's nice! My point is this: They've been doing a ton of work on Future World over the past ten years. That's a fact. It's kinda weird that people want to pretend they didn't, but hey, that's cool. I'd certainly hope they put work into neglected attractions like Imagination and Energy soon.
Just found the photo of what I remembered of WorldKey.
Yep. Tha back wall of Earthstation.
Otterhead
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My feeling is this: MK just went through its biggest expansion since it opened, and still completing major operations there. AK is basically a construction zone with all the rehab being done and an entire new land added. With the huge profits Disney's recording right now, Epcot and HS are next on the list.. and Epcot's in the most need. I think we'll see it getting lots of love sooner rather than later.
Anders Limpar
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You set up an arbitrary date by including the examples of the rides you chose to highlight. Adding new restaurants and rehabbing restaurants isn't a bad thing. But when you are letting parts of your park that contain attractions rot and adding more restaurants than brand new attractions...then I got issues with that.
Let me quote Rafa Benitez here:
Fahct: The haven't added a new WS pavilion since Norway in the late 80's.
Fahct: They have plenty of expansion pads.
Fahct: They have plenty of money to add new rides.
Fahct: They raise the prices every year.
Fahct: They haven't added a new FW pavilion that wasn't in the same exact spot as a pre-existing one since Wonders of Life in the late 80's.
Fahct: More new restaurants/bars have been added in the time frame you are referencing than new rides.
EPCOT isn't worthwhile for the price. It's a shambles. It's a shadow of what it was in the mid 90's let alone the late 80's. Hell, it's a shadow of what it was in the early 2000's.
And I'm not even an EPCOT fanboy. Growing up I was too cool for the "educational park", I'd much rather have been in Mk or MGM.
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Anders Limpar
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The "brand new" (Living) Seas ride was re-opening an existing ride that had been closed and doing a Nemo overlay.
Bing Bong
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The thing is you are counting things that should have been done regardless as "Big" investments. Also 90% of what you have listed was done 7-12 years ago as well, that is not recent in the slightest.That's nice! My point is this: They've been doing a ton of work on Future World over the past ten years. That's a fact. It's kinda weird that people want to pretend they didn't, but hey, that's cool. I'd certainly hope they put work into neglected attractions like Imagination and Energy soon.
Just found the photo of what I remembered of WorldKey.