1986 - House of the Future: Week 4

Outbound

Outbound

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I’m honestly really worried about crafted. While maybe the best stand-alone idea, I feel it doesn’t fit in our park at all, and we are risking creating a less cohesive final project even if this is possibly the best idea on its own.

I would vote Utopian Tomorrowland but that doesn’t seem to have gained any traction so instead I’ll vote for Chicago.
 
Pi on my Cake

Pi on my Cake

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Outbound said:
I’m honestly really worried about crafted. While maybe the best stand-alone idea, I feel it doesn’t fit in our park at all, and we are risking creating a less cohesive final project even if this is possibly the best idea on its own.

I would vote Utopian Tomorrowland but that doesn’t seem to have gained any traction so instead I’ll vote for Chicago.
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I feel like "mature" doesn't necessarily mean "adult."

My go to example fir this is Steven Universe. Which I feel handles complex emotions and plotlines in the most mature way I've seen in animation outside of Bojack Horseman. Yet if you just look at the surface level (or the very weak season 1), Steven Universe would look like just a silly show for little kids.

What exactly is the issue you see with the Crafted Small World fitting in? And how could we fix that for you if we go with this version?
 
mickeyfan5534

mickeyfan5534

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Outbound said:
I’m honestly really worried about crafted. While maybe the best stand-alone idea, I feel it doesn’t fit in our park at all, and we are risking creating a less cohesive final project even if this is possibly the best idea on its own.

I would vote Utopian Tomorrowland but that doesn’t seem to have gained any traction so instead I’ll vote for Chicago.
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You can be whimsical and bright and still be mature in your execution. Mary Blair has come into her own as one of the greats of the Modern Art movement in recent times for exactly that reason.
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The woman was a capital 'A' Artist and I think you're doing her and her style a disservice in saying you think that such a direction is "not mature enough"
 
AceAstro

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NateD1226

NateD1226

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Pi on my Cake said:
Take all the time you need, Nate. Thanks for the head's up. If you ever need to talk, we're here for you
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Thank you. I really appreciate it.

D Hindley said:
@NateD1226, if you need to take the day off, by all means family comes first.
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I’ll stay up to date with the he brainstorming, I just won’t be that active. With that being said, my vote goes to Crafted Small World
 
Outbound

Outbound

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Pi on my Cake said:
I feel like "mature" doesn't necessarily mean "adult."

My go to example fir this is Steven Universe. Which I feel handles complex emotions and plotlines in the most mature way I've seen in animation outside of Bojack Horseman. Yet if you just look at the surface level (or the very weak season 1), Steven Universe would look like just a silly show for little kids.

What exactly is the issue you see with the Crafted Small World fitting in? And how could we fix that for you if we go with this version?
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That's true: by mature, I'm not saying every land has to be dark and gritty. Seasons of Fantasy works imo, largely because of its lighter themes. And Adventure Atoll may have been too heavy in lore and "disneysea" complexities.

But I also feel there's a line somewhere, and idk, that just gets crossed with Crafted Small World. With Seasons of Fantasy, you have this classic seasonal divide with a beautiful Fantasia-inspired Tree and surroundings. Again no where near as "adult" as Harbortown and Adventure Atoll, even those they too were largely kid-friendly with the exception of a few moments.

I guess a good way to describe is as I'm walking around, what am I going to feel in Crafted Small World? I think in Harbortown I get a nostalgic and patriotic New England vibe, Adventure Atoll I'm curious by the exotic nature of it all, Seasons I'm calmly enjoying the seasonal visuals, but for Crafted Small World I think it would be too out-there, excited, upbeat, and overall just a really good land vibe... but not fitting with the rest of our park.

And @mickeyfan5534 , I agree Mary Blair was more than just the IASW concept artist, but I thought this was from the imagination of a child? So I don't expect there would be many attempts at an underlying story or modern art movement.
 
Pi on my Cake

Pi on my Cake

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Outbound said:
That's true: by mature, I'm not saying every land has to be dark and gritty. Seasons of Fantasy works imo, largely because of its lighter themes. And Adventure Atoll may have been too heavy in lore and "disneysea" complexities.

But I also feel there's a line somewhere, and idk, that just gets crossed with Crafted Small World. With Seasons of Fantasy, you have this classic seasonal divide with a beautiful Fantasia-inspired Tree and surroundings. Again no where near as "adult" as Harbortown and Adventure Atoll, even those they too were largely kid-friendly with the exception of a few moments.

I guess a good way to describe is as I'm walking around, what am I going to feel in Crafted Small World? I think in Harbortown I get a nostalgic and patriotic New England vibe, Adventure Atoll I'm curious by the exotic nature of it all, Seasons I'm calmly enjoying the seasonal visuals, but for Crafted Small World I think it would be too out-there, excited, upbeat, and overall just a really good land vibe... but not fitting with the rest of our park.

And @mickeyfan5534 , I agree Mary Blair was more than just the IASW concept artist, but I thought this was from the imagination of a child? So I don't expect there would be many attempts at an underlying story or modern art movement.
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I think you'll feel a bittersweet nostalgia for a time gone by when hope and optimism came simple. As well as a chance to relive the days when world peace seemed as simple as wishes written on paper boats and an origami tower. But the oversized nature of the props will help psychologically make guest feel "small" again thus making it easier on a subconscious level to get back into that headspace and be inspired to dream of the brighter tomorrow they believed in when they were young once again. A child-like wonder at what the world can be. Accomplished with visuals unlike any seen inside a Disney park before that carry this thematic meaning throughout. Every structure would add to the meaning of the land and how it makes people feel.

As well as carrying through Walt's legacy of "oversimplifying" complex issues in an attempt to get to a deeper, more inspirational meaning. We all know cowboys in real life were much more problematic and complex than old Westerns, but Walt knew the value of having a white hat hero to look up to. That's just one example, but there's a great Defunctland episode that talks about this habit of Walt if you have the time. This land would be an evolution of that.
 
mickeyfan5534

mickeyfan5534

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Outbound said:
That's true: by mature, I'm not saying every land has to be dark and gritty. Seasons of Fantasy works imo, largely because of its lighter themes. And Adventure Atoll may have been too heavy in lore and "disneysea" complexities.
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I feel like there may be a disagreement in what everyone means by "mature". May I suggest everyone come to a solid definition of that as you proceed in the brainstorming?
Outbound said:
I guess a good way to describe is as I'm walking around, what am I going to feel in Crafted Small World? I think in Harbortown I get a nostalgic and patriotic New England vibe, Adventure Atoll I'm curious by the exotic nature of it all, Seasons I'm calmly enjoying the seasonal visuals, but for Crafted Small World I think it would be too out-there, excited, upbeat, and overall just a really good land vibe... but not fitting with the rest of our park.
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Upbeat and good vibes can still be drawn as developed and nuanced. They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
Outbound said:
And @mickeyfan5534 , I agree Mary Blair was more than just the IASW concept artist, but I thought this was from the imagination of a child? So I don't expect there would be many attempts at an underlying story or modern art movement.
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iasw has so many valid interpretations. It's a celebration of the varied cultures of the world, the world from a child's imagination, a request from this generation to the next generation to obtain the peace past generations could not, a prayer for the future of humanity, hell, there's a valid argument to be made with textual evidence that it can be read as racist and outdated (not that it's a good argument because you'd be making some major stretches but it's still a valid argument that can be made in the discourse). All or none of those.
 
NigelChanning

NigelChanning

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I feel like the message of IASW is very simple. And it’s repeated over and over and over. But, that doesn’t mean that it can’t be a mature message. Disney parks are visited by people all across the globe and I feel like many people need to hear the message that we aren’t so different. At the end of the day, we are all human beings. That’s message that should be taught to children in a positive and bright way.
 
AceAstro

AceAstro

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If I may:

The prompt is to build a land off of this with Small World as the headliner. But it isn’t the only attraction.

If we were to do crafted, what other sort of ideas do we have for attractions that tie into the land and IASW?

Same question with Chicago.

I know it’s important to think theme but I also don’t want to put all our eggs in one basket and then realize we don’t have enough
 
D Hulk

D Hulk

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Even though I’m on Team Chicago (go Bears!), the Craft Land attraction lineup is easier to fill if we follow the template of child-friendly lands like DisneySea’s Mermaid Lagoon. Here’s a super rough draft:
  • ”it’s a small world” E-ticket
  • Folk song singalong live show
  • Balloon spinner around Tower of the Four Winds
  • Caterpillar/Himalaya spinner around the Small World fountain (pictured below)
  • A flat ride connected to the SW clock face?
  • “Garden of Unity” topiary walkthrough (credit @NigelChanning09)
  • Children’s playground, theme TBD
  • A meet and greet maybe?

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Chaos Cat

Chaos Cat

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D Hindley said:
Updated voting tally:

Craftwork Land - 5 (Dash, Pi, Brer, Nigel, Nate)

Chicago World's Fair - 4 (Doug, Outbound, Ace, PerGron)

Pending: @b-wolf95 & @Mickeynerd17. This is extremely close right now!
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Mickeynerd17 said:
I vote for World's Fair.

Sry for not replying, I just woke up like a minute ago lol.
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> Unit was hoping that there would not be a tie, as Unit cannot decide which theme would work best.
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> Unit is casting vote for Craftwork, in representation of judge @mickeyfan5534

Sorry for not voting until now, was opening birthday presents (meant to open them yesterday, but I needed to rest after the gong-show at Universal)
 
D Hulk

D Hulk

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As for what attractions we could see in an 1893 Chicago World’s Fair? I’d say that between established attractions at the original fair, and new adaptations of Disney’s 1964 rides, we have plenty to work with.
  • “it’s a small world” E-ticket
  • Ferris wheel
  • New version of Carousel of Progr-

Never mind, tie suddenly broken, Kraftwerk wins!
 

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