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[DlpPhantom]

Alexandria could be an incredible entrance land with the light house out in a bay at the center of the park. The trade hub of the ancient world is are gateway to enter it.

I feel with the way the park has evolved Wakanda doesn’t really fit all that well. While it is a lost world it isn’t a myth or a place that once existed just a made up nation in a comic book. Maybe instead we go with the Great Zimbabwe.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Alright, so I haven't been super active or online a lot the last couple days. Got some ideas. Working in box office tonight which means 2/3rds of my night will be getting paid to sit on my phone lol

I'm gonna read through everything from the last couple days and then start sharing my ideas and all. Loving all yhe activity and ideas here!

 

[NateD1226]

Alright, so I haven't been super active or online a lot the last couple days. Got some ideas. Working in box office tonight which means 2/3rds of my night will be getting paid to sit on my phone lol

I'm gonna read through everything from the last couple days and then start sharing my ideas and all. Loving all yhe activity and ideas here!

I love your ideas! I have some ideas too but I'm not fully done with them.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

I think @spacemt354 had a great idea suggesting we list our priorities as far as lands go so we can see what everyone is interested in.

This is my list from most to least excited about

1. Shangri-La (though I'd combine it with Lemuria and make it a Southeast Asian jungle with Shangri-La and Lemuria attractions but not fully dedicated to either)
2. Atlantis/Mt. Olympus (again, combine these two as they feel too similar to me to justify splitting)
3. Antarctica (as a gateway to a hollow earth/dinosaur land I could work really interestingly in my mind if done right)
4. Wakanda (While I'm usually not big on single IP lands, Wakanda just feels oddly right to me in this project)
5. El Dorado
6. Camelot (not sure how Camelot is a lost world? But an English/European fantasy land with dragons and fairies could be great)
7. Arabian Lost City

 

[spacemt354]

I think @spacemt354 had a great idea suggesting we list our priorities as far as lands go so we can see what everyone is interested in.

This is my list from most to least excited about

1. Shangri-La (though I'd combine it with Lemuria and make it a Southeast Asian jungle with Shangri-La and Lemuria attractions but not fully dedicated to either)
2. Atlantis/Mt. Olympus (again, combine these two as they feel too similar to me to justify splitting)
3. Antarctica (as a gateway to a hollow earth/dinosaur land I could work really interestingly in my mind if done right)
4. Wakanda (While I'm usually not big on single IP lands, Wakanda just feels oddly right to me in this project)
5. El Dorado
6. Camelot (not sure how Camelot is a lost world? But an English/European fantasy land with dragons and fairies could be great)
7. Arabian Lost City

I think this would be a great topic for today -- if everyone could list their strongest interests/things they're most passionate about seeing.

It can help streamline what is/is not important to the majority

 

[NateD1226]

1. Arabian Lost City
2. Atlantis/Mt. Olympus
3. El Dorado
4. Wakanda
5. Shangri-La
6. Camelot
7. Antarctica

 

[spacemt354]

And with that said I'll post mine.

1. Shangri-La: Feels like it could be the identity land of the park - really so many directions it can go in
2. Arabian Lost City: Has IP potential if some want it while not sticking out like a sore thumb, could mix Aladdin or Indy without batting an eye, while still having the flexibility of designing our own town settings/villages.
3. Hollow Earth: aka Antarctica (this name bothers me because it isn't lost) but the idea of traveling beneath the earth in a multi-level indoor land almost, sounds amazing.
4. Entrance/Lighthouse of Alexandria Icon: This feels like it has some great potential.
5. Atlantis: (with/without Mt. Olympus) I could take it or leave it, this can be explored but I feel it's not as unique as some of our other options.
6. Camelot: No real opinion.
7. El Dorado: No real opinion
8. Wakanda: I've mentioned it before but I just don't see how it fits with the other lands/themes we are going for.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Alright, real quick before we get too much into the new topic. My pitch for the entrance land/icon mixing my ideas with things I've seen people suggesting here.

The Forgotten Jungle (working title)

A very natural feeling jungle environment inspired by Southeast Asia (mainly India and Tibet regions). The same regions that influence the Asia section of Animal Kingdom. Incorporating past ideas we've had like Shangri-La, Lemuria, and the Base Camps

This is a very very rough broad map.

Orange is the main path. A bit winding to control and pace the reveal of new exciting structures. To the left side of the path is mostly ruins of ancient temples reclaimed by nature over the last few centuries. To the right side of the path is a forbidden mountain range not found on any maps. Along the path there are no signs of any civilization or human settlements for hundreds of years. Except, of course, the base camps set up by explorers from around the world throughout history who have sought to explore this mysterious land. Their mostly abandoned camps now serve as stores and restaurants for adventures foolish enough to enter this land still. Explorers like us.

Green is an animal trail not unlike the Maharajah Jungle Trek from DAk featuring local animals in ruins they've taken over.

Brown (directly across from the animal trails) is a ropes course/playground with caves to explore at the base of the mountains.

Blue is actually two things. First up is either @ThatGuyFromFlorida's Jungle Book Dark Ride or some other kind of B/C-Ticket attraction that can be housed in the ruins. Then, bordering the "HUB" is a river rapids ride themed to a quest to find Lemuria (the Indian legendary lost continent that was previously discussed as a possibility for a land).

Red is essentially Shangri-La. A larger mountain show building housing two attactions. First is a C-Ticket dark ride themed to Journey to the West (some suggested suspended, others said boat. I'm impartial). Then, with an entrance bordering the "HUB" is an Expedition Everest type coaster through the upper parts of the mountain show building themed to an exploration to find Shangri-La.


This entry land would serve as almost a reverse funnel. With attractions and shops lining it the ramp up in scale and excitement (A-Tickets, to C-Tickets, to D/E-Tickets). Inviting guests to travel onwards and join these explorations. The Basecamps of previous explorers fron around the world throughout history allow us to add some international flair smoothly and naturally as well have a very unique shops and dining that fit the themes.

The winding paths helps pace the reveals. First it is mostly trees and tents. Then you see more ruins. Then it bends again to see mountains. Then it opens up to the HUB

The hub would be a large lake with ships from different explorers from around the world and throughout history docked at the edge of the water. A makeshift port at the jungle's entrance that various explorers and adventurers have used. Guests may even ride in one or two of the ships.

The impression icon of the park is seen across the water. On the other side of the lagoon. An intriguing sight beckoning guests to come find it. Either a recreation of or something inspired by the Alexandria lighthouse! A goal for guests to find to start them on the adventure given without any instructions or written advice. All visual and atmospheric storytelling!

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[Pi on my Cake]

Another passing thought I'm gonna share before I forget. If we do have a lagoon, then I have an idea for a hypothical night time show on it.

Instead of the water mist projection screens that are used in nearly every water based nighttime show (Fantasmic, world of color, rivers of light, the one at Universal), what if we had explorers take the docked ships from the entrance land (or any ships) and sail them out to the lagoon and use the large sails as the projection screens for the show.

 

[TJJohn12]

So, just did some digging on Ocean Park's "Old Hong Kong" area. I actually don't think it precludes using some localized inspiration in a potential main street replacement for this park. The area looks buried in the back of the park, and not really used to its full potential. Am I reading from photos that it's mostly food windows and carnival games? So it's a loosely themed midway?

I'm starting to feel that the Adventurers' Outpost could easily have a local architecture flair and not be copying Ocean Park.

 

[NateD1226]

Another passing thought I'm gonna share before I forget. If we do have a lagoon, then I have an idea for a hypothical night time show on it.

Instead of the water mist projection screens that are used in nearly every water based nighttime show (Fantasmic, world of color, rivers of light, the one at Universal), what if we had explorers take the docked ships from the entrance land (or any ships) and sail them out to the lagoon and use the large sails as the projection screens for the show.

That I think that is a bit challenging trying to get all the sails to connect with each other but I think it could work!

 

[spacemt354]

So, just did some digging on Ocean Park's "Old Hong Kong" area. I actually don't think it precludes using some localized inspiration in a potential main street replacement for this park. The area looks buried in the back of the park, and not really used to its full potential. Am I reading from photos that it's mostly food windows and carnival games? So it's a loosely themed midway?

I'm starting to feel that the Adventurers' Outpost could easily have a local architecture flair and not be copying Ocean Park.

Some good insight - @D Hindley might be able to answer these questions about Ocean Park

 

[TJJohn12]

That I think that is a bit challenging trying to get all the sails to connect with each other but I think it could work!

I think it'd actually be kinda cool if the sails *didn't* match up. Imagine Mulan, Mushu and her regiment fighting from sail to sail across the lagoon. Mushu exits the right side of a sail like he's stepping backstage, appears after a suitable gap on the next one, small scenes of battle happening on each. Or Jack Sparrow fighting in silhouette on one ship's sail before "swinging" to another ship and continuing the battle on the front of its sail.

 

[Evilgidgit]

I thought, being British, I might throw out some ideas for Camelot, since that's getting no love.

Now according to Wikipedia, Camelot is listed as a lost city. But, Camelot may be a bit limited, since you have King Arthur's tales and that's it. And we do want to incorporate elements of Beastly Kingdom in there.

So, why not reimagine Camelot as Avalon - okay it still ties in the Arthurian legends, specifically being an island where he rests til Britain needs him again. In the real world, the island suspected to have been based on Glastonbury Tor. Legend wise, this was wear Excalibur was forged, and apparently elves live on the island. Now, this doesn't necessarily have to be imagined as an island, but my idea is that it could be a place of "myths and legends" associated with British culture dwell for eternity. This would allow the land to act as a fantasy realm, paying homage to the lost kingdom of Camelot, to Beastly Kingdom, and to folklore from across the UK (and use Brave).

Guests could enter through the ruins of an English castle, finding hints of its true origins til one enters through an archway, revealing the medieval castle of Avalon (or possibly a replica of the Glastonbury Tor). We should use that trackless tapestry King Arthur dark ride suggested before. Other ideas:
--A Stonehenge-like monument which is both entertainment and education where guests learn of Celtic mythology and culture.
--I can imagine the dragon coaster as not one but TWO duelling coasters on both sides of the castle fort, paying homage to the Red Dragon of Wales and the White Dragon of the Anglo-Saxons.
--The Secret of the Unicorn.
--A Brave (or Robin Hood) archery stage show.
--At least two "warring" traditional British village pubs.
--Perhaps a creepy indoor dark ride based around an encouter with the Beast of Bodmin.

I can imagine the stores and other restaurants being owned or run by figures of British myths, stories, Shakespearean plays, etc. Throwing out a few examples - St. George, Beowulf, Spring Heeled Jack, nursery rhyme characters, you get the picture.

But, that's just me. With perhaps enough imagination, immersive theming and variety, this land coud - dare I say it - rival The Wizarding World of Harry Potter! Yeah, I can dream!

And here are some British castles to provide visual ideas.

Conwy Castle, Wales

Restormel Castle, England

Lulworth Castle, England

 

[Disneylover152]

Okay! I'm officially back from my adventures in Europe this summer! I know I'm late to the party but I'm going to place my order for the park. The first 4 lands I'm really passionate about the others I have no opinion on and don't really care for them.

1) Entrance/Lighthouse of Alexandria Icon: this seems like it could be such a cool area of the park with all the potential it has. It can take the port of entry in Islands to a whole new level. I love the idea and we can have a lot of hidden pathways and hidden gems with some interesting architecture! I would really love to work on this land for this project as well!

2) Atlantis: This land is another land that has a lot of potential with attractions, acting as the "Mermaid Lagoon" of the park. We can also host some interesting water attractions here as well as winding pathways, a children's playground, edutainment attractions, and more! A Tower of Terror style ride could work in this land at the park too! Maybe a Little Mermaid attraction? The possibilities for this land is endless!

3) Arabian Lost City: A lost city always interests me and this area sounds like it could have a wide variety of experiences, from shows to A-tickets to E-tickets. Aladdin and Indiana Jones would work well in this area and we could design some interesting rides for those IPs in this area, while also designing original E-tickets.

4) Antartica/Hallow Earth: This land has some potential and while it's not a lost land, we can really create an original fictional story about how their used to be humans on Antartica. This story can bring some interesting abandoned ice buildings and streets to walk around as well as a few rides.

5) Shangri-La

6) Camelot

7) El Dorado

8) Wakanda: I personally don't like this idea like @spacemt354 ... it has no correlation to the park's theme or lands. An area fully based on an IP is not the issue, it's just that this IP doesn't fit the parks message at all.

Also, can somebody update me on whats going on with the park? Much appreciated! Thanks in advance.

 

[D Hulk]

So, just did some digging on Ocean Park's "Old Hong Kong" area. I actually don't think it precludes using some localized inspiration in a potential main street replacement for this park. The area looks buried in the back of the park, and not really used to its full potential. Am I reading from photos that it's mostly food windows and carnival games? So it's a loosely themed midway?

I'm starting to feel that the Adventurers' Outpost could easily have a local architecture flair and not be copying Ocean Park.

Ocean Park’s Old Hong Kong is essentially a pathway leading from the hub area to the aerial tram queue. There are a few food stands along the way, and that’s about it. Trolley tracks, but it doesn’t work (BTW, real Hong Kong has the world’s only double decker trolley, which could be a fun transport attraction). HAnd-pulled rickshaws too.

We could definitely improve on this.

 

[spacemt354]

Had some thoughts on this:

I really like all of the diverse feedback and ideas presented so far. While originally this was supposed to be an evolution of 'Club 32' which was last year's open brainstorming team that went into immense detail with one park, for around 2-3 months....I think 1902 can be something even more than that.

Despite it not getting that way organically, I think with school coming up and people getting busy as mentioned before, that this project could fall by the wayside - and I wouldn't want to see that happen with all the effort already put into this Lost Worlds concept. So today - I'm going to grab a cup of coffee, sit down, and go through all of the ideas - and essentially create a 'summary' thread for the park as a whole.

This summary will store all the ideas/concepts in order, with credits, so that if ever in the future everyone wanted to come back to the project and provide more detail - they could do so. This will then allow everyone in 1902, the flexibility to expand to other (possibly less time consuming?) prompts and brainstorming activities for the fall!

Maybe one attraction or one park, maybe something more simple like a Walt Disney World or Disneyland topic that people are familiar with...to keep the ideas and creative juices flowing here.

It will also be more inviting to new members as the turnover rate of ideas will be more frequent and easier to jump into a discussion without having to have all the background material for what is being discussed.

So hang tight - the summary will come soon!

 

[spacemt354]

Had some thoughts on this:

I really like all of the diverse feedback and ideas presented so far. While originally this was supposed to be an evolution of 'Club 32' which was last year's open brainstorming team that went into immense detail with one park, for around 2-3 months....I think 1902 can be something even more than that.

Despite it not getting that way organically, I think with school coming up and people getting busy as mentioned before, that this project could fall by the wayside - and I wouldn't want to see that happen with all the effort already put into this Lost Worlds concept. So today - I'm going to grab a cup of coffee, sit down, and go through all of the ideas - and essentially create a 'summary' thread for the park as a whole.

This summary will store all the ideas/concepts in order, with credits, so that if ever in the future everyone wanted to come back to the project and provide more detail - they could do so. This will then allow everyone in 1902, the flexibility to expand to other (possibly less time consuming?) prompts and brainstorming activities for the fall!

Maybe one attraction or one park, maybe something more simple like a Walt Disney World or Disneyland topic that people are familiar with...to keep the ideas and creative juices flowing here.

It will also be more inviting to new members as the turnover rate of ideas will be more frequent and easier to jump into a discussion without having to have all the background material for what is being discussed.

So hang tight - the summary will come soon!

*The summary will also be in a separate thread that maybe @DisneyFan18 can link to the first post in this thread? That way it doesn't get lost down the road.

 

[spacemt354]

Summary Thread for all the Disney's Lost Worlds concepts/ideas is up! (If there's something that you'd like included feel free to add it in!)

Here's the link!

@Pionmycake
@D Hindley
@DisneyFan18

 

[spacemt354]

Summary Thread for all the Disney's Lost Worlds concepts/ideas is up! (If there's something that you'd like included feel free to add it in!)

Here's the link!

@AceAstro
@kmbmw777
@MickeyMousketeer