LittleBuford
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If you are indoctrinated into a particular worldview, it becomes nearly impossible to consider, much less believe, another perspective. I blame the propagandists more than I do their victims.
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kong1802
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I would consider them victims of malignantly wilful disinformation:
Biologist to Tucker: If Ivermectin proven effective against COVID, it moots vaccine push | Fox News
Bret Weinstein says he and others have been 'censored' for their analyses that run counter to the medical establishmentwww.foxnews.com
They wont listen to the world’s leading virologist (you know, the study of viruses) but will listen to an “evolutionary biologist” with no credentials or a tv entertainment show.
Boggles the mind.
Chi84
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It’s definitely a matter of degree, and I also hold the propagandists more culpable, but we need to start holding individuals responsible also. This culture of always being the victim and blaming someone else is harming us.
LittleBuford
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I think it’s more harmful to hold that tens of millions of Americans are wilfully ignorant and uncaring. That’s a level of misanthropy that would make me give up on humanity as a whole, and that leads to the awful “Well, let them all die, then” comments we’ve seen numerous times in this thread.
Animaniac93-98
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This is what has already happened in Quebec, right?
I'd say this is eventually coming to all provinces, even if certain Premiers are saying no atm.
Chi84
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All I’m saying is that people need to be held responsible for verifying the information they get from the media. It shouldn’t be enough for them to say they “heard something,” and then to act accordingly in ways contrary to all reasonable sources. This doesn’t in any way mean the same thing as saying they should all be allowed to die. Talk about being overly-dramatic.
Jrb1979
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I think it's definitely coming. It's a way to avoid another lockdown and keep businesses open.
LittleBuford
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Their worldview teaches them that all sources that you and I would consider reasonable are lying to them. That the vast majority of outlets are saying something different from the one(s) they follow merely reinforces their beliefs.
I wasn’t being dramatic. I was referring to a line of thinking that has been demonstrated multiple times in this thread. You yourself have seen the posts I’m referring to; I am not inventing them for dramatic effect.
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Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Yep. I hear a lot of things. Doesn’t mean I believe everything. I have watched tucker in the past, not recently. Sometimes I agreed with him. Sometimes I didn’t. I haven’t watched his vaccine stuff to form an opinion. I assume I would disagree based on how it’s always being framed here? And no I don’t think people who watch Fox are some cult. I watch it from time to time, when I have time to watch news. Or if i want to watch an opinion show after work. like many, I am able to differentiate between news shows and opinion shows.
And I hear a lot of things from others. Those who stand by the fact that covid is no big deal. And those who oversell the dangers to everyone in the population to the point of unhealthy hysteria. I’m surprised people can function listening to that all the time. Well, maybe some can’t actually.
As I said in the past, if someone makes the silly decision to not get the vaccine, that’s on that person. I don’t care what you heard from whatever opinion person on tv or radio or YouTube. You made the choice. It’s on you. I have heard those people too yet I have made an entirely different choice.
Disney Analyst
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I think you are right, unsure what Quebec’s rules are, but I figured once one of us did it, many more would follow.
peter11435
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I blame both
How an individual comes to believe something is very complicated. Everyone has different experiences and exposures throughout life. All of it has a hand in a persons outlook and the opinions they form. It's not easy to erase the things you're told over and over in childhood. There's definitely a mindset that gets passed from generation to generation. If my parents were still alive, I'm quite certain they'd be rolling their eyes at mask wearers and refusing to get vaccinated. They shared many of the views and opinions that the current unvaccinated group promotes. I moved far away from my family when I was in my twenties because of a job opportunity. I honestly believe that the only reason I was able to open my eyes, learn to think for myself, and become a sensible, caring, responsible person is because of that distance. It's just hard to change your mind when you've always heard certain voices and those same voices are in your head every day. I eventually stopped seeing or talking to my family and the weight that was lifted off of my shoulders was incredible. Since my parents passed away I've been trying to reconnect with my siblings but just this week I had a conversation with my sister that I have decided will be the last. The things that she says to me are just so wrong, and baseless. She goes on and on about how the vaccines aren't approved and we just have no idea what they're going to do to everyone. She says that parents who give their children this vaccine should all be put in jail. It's ridiculous and I can't fight it anymore. It's so upsetting. She even said the z word this week. And when I ask her a question, as simple as "what do you mean?" she gets angry and says I'm trying to confuse her. I know that some people on this board take a lot of well deserved pride in trying to change minds, but I just can't anymore. I'm exhausted.
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LittleBuford
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One of the biggest issues I have with the blame approach is that it isn’t actually going to help any of us. The unvaccinated are less likely, not more, to get their shots if we wag our fingers at them.
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What does WDW use liquid oxygen for? I've seen tanks backstage. Given O-town needs it for water purification and hospitals really need it for high flow O2, will WDW be able or should be able to get the LOX they need? Just curious, cause I've heard RCID just use chlorine for potable water, so I guess WDW wouldn't be affected by the recent water issues in O-town.
In FLA 20k positive tests in a particular day, as an example. Or pick CA if you prefer and use that number of positive tests. Out of how many tests done that day? Perhaps that number is somewhere and I just dont see it.
Before any kind of comparison or breakdown that should be the first question to answer. Positives compared to population, the usual graph various people like to show, is important as additional information. But lets say, for argument sake, that the 20k in florida that day was among 40k tests (1 in 2 chance of a positive). Then lets say 5k in California but out of 5k tests. Sure 1/4 as many as Florida. But every test would be positive. Thats a pretty fundamental difference before anything else.
If you want a totally unscientific extrapolation, 1/2 of the 20+ million in Florida are infected, assuming every person was tested today. Whereas California with its 40 million people is in deep... well.... pretty deep.
Before any kind of comparison or breakdown that should be the first question to answer. Positives compared to population, the usual graph various people like to show, is important as additional information. But lets say, for argument sake, that the 20k in florida that day was among 40k tests (1 in 2 chance of a positive). Then lets say 5k in California but out of 5k tests. Sure 1/4 as many as Florida. But every test would be positive. Thats a pretty fundamental difference before anything else.
If you want a totally unscientific extrapolation, 1/2 of the 20+ million in Florida are infected, assuming every person was tested today. Whereas California with its 40 million people is in deep... well.... pretty deep.
DonniePeverley
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With schools now back in swing, i can't see the numbers coming down.
Voyage of Little Mermaid at DHS , liquid smoke during the show?
The positivity percent tells you how many positives there were out of the tests done. Generally, values over 5% mean there are positive cases not being found. The higher, the more cases you’re missing. Since you’re not testing enough suspect but unknown people, only people who are clearly sick.
Paste lost the title, but that’s rest volume.
| State | Date | 7-Day % Positivity | |
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| California | Aug 20, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| California | Aug 19, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| California | Aug 18, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| California | Aug 17, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| California | Aug 16, 2021 | 54,452 | 6.33 |
| California | Aug 15, 2021 | 103,520 | 6.14 |
| California | Aug 14, 2021 | 200,747 | 6.22 |
| California | Aug 13, 2021 | 295,651 | 6.26 |
| California | Aug 12, 2021 | 305,876 | 6.48 |
| California | Aug 11, 2021 | 293,776 | 6.6 |
| California | Aug 10, 2021 | 242,369 | 6.7 |
| California | Aug 9, 2021 | 198,187 | 6.69 |
| State | Date | 7-Day % Positivity | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Florida | Aug 20, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| Florida | Aug 19, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| Florida | Aug 18, 2021 | N/A | 0 |
| Florida | Aug 17, 2021 | 1,572 | 20.24 |
| Florida | Aug 16, 2021 | 24,877 | 20.1 |
| Florida | Aug 15, 2021 | 35,802 | 19.94 |
| Florida | Aug 14, 2021 | 56,268 | 20.05 |
| Florida | Aug 13, 2021 | 108,353 | 20.03 |
| Florida | Aug 12, 2021 | 130,449 | 20 |
| Florida | Aug 11, 2021 | 130,449 | 19.88 |
| Florida | Aug 10, 2021 | 135,855 | 19.71 |
| Florida | Aug 9, 2021 | 146,003 | 19.56 |
So, California is generally testing more than Florida. Larger volume, and the lower positivity means there is less unknown cases. Still not enough testing or searching for infected, since the positivity is over 5. But, FL is off the charts, like they’re not even trying to find how infection is spreading.
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