Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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mmascari

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SammyMF said:
In FLA 20k positive tests in a particular day, as an example. Or pick CA if you prefer and use that number of positive tests. Out of how many tests done that day? Perhaps that number is somewhere and I just dont see it.

Before any kind of comparison or breakdown that should be the first question to answer. Positives compared to population, the usual graph various people like to show, is important as additional information. But lets say, for argument sake, that the 20k in florida that day was among 40k tests (1 in 2 chance of a positive). Then lets say 5k in California but out of 5k tests. Sure 1/4 as many as Florida. But every test would be positive. Thats a pretty fundamental difference before anything else.

If you want a totally unscientific extrapolation, 1/2 of the 20+ million in Florida are infected, assuming every person was tested today. Whereas California with its 40 million people is in deep... well.... pretty deep.
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The positivity percent tells you how many positives there were out of the tests done. Generally, values over 5% mean there are positive cases not being found. The higher, the more cases you’re missing. Since you’re not testing enough suspect but unknown people, only people who are clearly sick.

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StateDate7-Day % Positivity
CaliforniaAug 20, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 19, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 18, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 17, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 16, 202154,4526.33
CaliforniaAug 15, 2021103,5206.14
CaliforniaAug 14, 2021200,7476.22
CaliforniaAug 13, 2021295,6516.26
CaliforniaAug 12, 2021305,8766.48
CaliforniaAug 11, 2021293,7766.6
CaliforniaAug 10, 2021242,3696.7
CaliforniaAug 9, 2021198,1876.69

StateDate7-Day % Positivity
FloridaAug 20, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 19, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 18, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 17, 20211,57220.24
FloridaAug 16, 202124,87720.1
FloridaAug 15, 202135,80219.94
FloridaAug 14, 202156,26820.05
FloridaAug 13, 2021108,35320.03
FloridaAug 12, 2021130,44920
FloridaAug 11, 2021130,44919.88
FloridaAug 10, 2021135,85519.71
FloridaAug 9, 2021146,00319.56


So, California is generally testing more than Florida. Larger volume, and the lower positivity means there is less unknown cases. Still not enough testing or searching for infected, since the positivity is over 5. But, FL is off the charts, like they’re not even trying to find how infection is spreading.

Copied from CDC site.
 
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DCBaker

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"Florida reported 46,571 COVID-19 cases to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention over the last two days on Saturday, according to Herald calculations of CDC data.

The state also reported 53 new deaths in the last two days. In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,040,590 confirmed COVID cases statewide and 42,001 deaths.

On Friday, the CDC’s website did update with new figures, but it showed Florida and several other states had zero new cases and deaths on Thursday. The newest report of cases includes the not yet reported Thursday figures, 24,438 cases and 42 deaths."

"There were 17,235 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Saturday, according to data reported to the from 258 Florida hospitals. This is 37 more patients than yesterday’s COVID patient population.

COVID-19 patients also accounted for 29.49% of all hospital patients.

Of the hospitalized in Florida, 3,552 people were in intensive care unit beds, an increase of two. That represents 55.06% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 258 hospitals reporting data."

 
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Chi84

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LittleBuford said:
One of the biggest issues I have with the blame approach is that it isn’t actually going to help any of us. The unvaccinated are less likely, not more, to get their shots if we wag our fingers at them.
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That doesn't mean we need to absolve them of the responsibility that goes along with decision-making. But for public policy purposes, it likely makes little difference. If we accept that people who choose not to be vaccinated are victims who are unable to process information and make rational choices for the good of society, society will have to make those decisions for them. (We can feel bad for them instead of disliking them or wagging fingers.) Bring on the mask mandates, higher insurance premiums, vaccine requirements and vaccination passports.
 
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GimpYancIent

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Mickey2021 said:
Wild animals like deer are a natural reservoir for this virus. Even if every single person on the planet was vaccinated, which will never happen by the way, the virus will continue to mutate in the wild until your precious vax doesn't work again. This will never be over unless we learn to just live with it!
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Adapt or die. Hmmmmm the Darwinian theory. In reality whether the vaccines eventually don't work or not to get vaccinated is a kick start toward the necessary adaptation. Look at it as helping nature take its course just a little faster.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Viget said:
What does WDW use liquid oxygen for? I've seen tanks backstage. Given O-town needs it for water purification and hospitals really need it for high flow O2, will WDW be able or should be able to get the LOX they need? Just curious, cause I've heard RCID just use chlorine for potable water, so I guess WDW wouldn't be affected by the recent water issues in O-town.
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One of the big uses of liquid oxygen is for welding. If you’ve seen them back stage as you said it could be used for repairs when welding.
 
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SammyMF

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Ok I didnt see those. Thank you.

So the first question is certainly whether or not we can all agree that these 'tests vs positives' percentages, and the number of tests themselves, are correct. Yes or no. If we cannot agree on this most basic of questions at the start then every other argument after that just adds to the problem.
 
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DisneyFan32

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DonniePeverley said:
We were saying this spring that the end was in sight. But here we are approaching the fall and it's still here - the virus got worst, much worst with the new variant.
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I hope new variant will be ending soon as the current wave will ending soon as enough people are vaccinated as kids 5-11 too by this Winter..:confused::(:(:(
 
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DisneyFan32

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mmascari said:
The positivity percent tells you how many positives there were out of the tests done. Generally, values over 5% mean there are positive cases not being found. The higher, the more cases you’re missing. Since you’re not testing enough suspect but unknown people, only people who are clearly sick.

Paste lost the title, but that’s rest volume.


StateDate7-Day % Positivity
CaliforniaAug 20, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 19, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 18, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 17, 2021N/A0
CaliforniaAug 16, 202154,4526.33
CaliforniaAug 15, 2021103,5206.14
CaliforniaAug 14, 2021200,7476.22
CaliforniaAug 13, 2021295,6516.26
CaliforniaAug 12, 2021305,8766.48
CaliforniaAug 11, 2021293,7766.6
CaliforniaAug 10, 2021242,3696.7
CaliforniaAug 9, 2021198,1876.69

StateDate7-Day % Positivity
FloridaAug 20, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 19, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 18, 2021N/A0
FloridaAug 17, 20211,57220.24
FloridaAug 16, 202124,87720.1
FloridaAug 15, 202135,80219.94
FloridaAug 14, 202156,26820.05
FloridaAug 13, 2021108,35320.03
FloridaAug 12, 2021130,44920
FloridaAug 11, 2021130,44919.88
FloridaAug 10, 2021135,85519.71
FloridaAug 9, 2021146,00319.56


So, California is generally testing more than Florida. Larger volume, and the lower positivity means there is less unknown cases. Still not enough testing or searching for infected, since the positivity is over 5. But, FL is off the charts, like they’re not even trying to find how infection is spreading.

Copied from CDC site.
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Hopefully this wave will going downtrend faster by this Winter. So Christmas will be much better with enough people as kids 5-11 were vaccinated.
 
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DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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DisneyCane said:
I find it interesting that several weeks ago I predicted the peak in FL would be 8/21 +/- a few days using an excel spreadsheet and 5 minutes of analysis and now real scientists have basically reached the same conclusion using advanced computer simulation.

I didn't go as far as projecting a herd immunity date because I don't have the data to estimate how many of the unvaccinated have actually been infected. I hope they are correct about the herd immunity part.
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Hopefully when enough people are vaccinated as kids 5-11 too then there will be herd immunity by next year.
 
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mmascari

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SammyMF said:
Ok I didnt see those. Thank you.

So the first question is certainly whether or not we can all agree that these 'tests vs positives' percentages, and the number of tests themselves, are correct. Yes or no. If we cannot agree on this most basic of questions at the start then every other argument after that just adds to the problem.
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We all agree they’re the correct numbers as of today. They’re not set in stone though. Check tomorrow and they may all be updated to new totals. Those new numbers will also be correct as of tomorrow. Certainly all the n/a and 0 value’s will change. But, every number in that post may change too, as additional reporting is done.

Which really just means, you cannot look at the most recent dates and assume that’s the final value for that date. You have to look at a date for several weeks after that date has passed. I’m not sure how far back they update. You might be good after a week that a value will stop changing, might take two, or three weeks, or it may change for months and you always need to look at the entire data set and not assume you already know past values.
 
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JoeCamel

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Viget said:
What does WDW use liquid oxygen for? I've seen tanks backstage. Given O-town needs it for water purification and hospitals really need it for high flow O2, will WDW be able or should be able to get the LOX they need? Just curious, cause I've heard RCID just use chlorine for potable water, so I guess WDW wouldn't be affected by the recent water issues in O-town.
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What you saw was probably liquid nitrogen. Pretty dangerous to have pure oxygen clouds floating around. The smoke and fog effects are done this way
 
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lazyboy97o

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Viget said:
What does WDW use liquid oxygen for? I've seen tanks backstage. Given O-town needs it for water purification and hospitals really need it for high flow O2, will WDW be able or should be able to get the LOX they need? Just curious, cause I've heard RCID just use chlorine for potable water, so I guess WDW wouldn't be affected by the recent water issues in O-town.
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Liquid oxygen isn’t something that’s going to be used in shows. But Reedy Creek Energy Services, a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company, handles water treatment for the Reedy Creek Improvement District and some surrounding areas.
 
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dreday3

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I dont have my vaccine card anymore, lost it. I get my shots through work, hospital, and if needed I can pull up my chart on our app and show my Vax records.
I also got records sent from my state to show vaccinations if needed.

I think my original card got shredded...
 
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