Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lady Liberty]

Hospitalization and deaths are not the point. The point is the elimination of Covid infection. If no infection there will be no transmission thus neither hospitalization nor death.

Current vaccines fail to eliminate infection.

Unfortunately CV19 will never be completely eliminated. It will be with us forever just like the flu.

I heard that the CDC is recommending that pregnant women get vaccinated, I’m not sure how I feel about that. It seems risky to me, sure glad I’m not faced with having to make the choice.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Hospitalization and deaths are not the point. The point is the elimination of Covid infection. If no infection there will be no transmission thus neither hospitalization nor death.

Current vaccines fail to eliminate infection.

Vaccinations will never eliminate the virus.

 

[LaughingGravy]

Nationwide we appear to be at the cusp of the peak of this wave, meaning mask mandates will be removed in 2-5 weeks most likely.

LOL. I wish it were the situation, but I think only in states where Covid infections are resulting in more hospitalizations and worse in 2-5 weeks will any mask mandates be lifted because that just makes sense.

There was talk and graphics above ( or just on the previous page) of a plateau. A tiny drop or leveling off in a generally increasing angle up does not constitute a plateau. It sounds nice, though. I'm sure Sturgis will make the situation even better in the next three weeks.

 

[kong1802]

Vaccinations will never eliminate the virus.

Apparently keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue isn't enough.

 

[Andrew C]

Hospitalization and deaths are not the point.

Huh? Along with vaccinations, of course it is the point. The more people that are vaccinated, the less chance for spread...which of course greatly reduces hospitalizations and deaths. Reducing this helps to relieve pressure from hospitals and their staff. Not to mention vaccines greatly reduce chances of severe covid if you were to still get it.

Maybe one day, if the world is able to vaccinate enough people, the virus will be eliminated. That isn't happening anytime soon...so we focus on the above points

 

[Heppenheimer]

Unfortunately CV19 will never be completely eliminated. It will be with us forever just like the flu.

I heard that the CDC is recommending that pregnant women get vaccinated, I’m not sure how I feel about that. It seems risky to me, sure glad I’m not faced with having to make the choice.

All but the live attenuated vaccines are currently recommended for pregnant women if they haven't previously received them. There is no reason the mRNA vaccines should be any different, and given the current huge risk of COVID for pregnant women and the fetus, the recommendation should be a no-brainer.

Anecdotally, my wife is currently pregnant and received the Moderna vaccine. Mother and child are both doing fine.

 

[Nubs70]

But the vaccines are still extremely effective at preventing symptomatic illness. All the more reason for everyone to get vaccinated ASAP.

As others have noted, it isn't the vaccinated filling the hospitals across the south currently.

The current vaccines are more of an injectable therapeutic that mitigate the effects of Covid.

 

[kong1802]

Note: some general musings based off this comment, not implying anything to you.

Since it’s a global pandemic? Likely a lot more people worldwide than just Americans.

Note: because plenty of people around here like to misconstrue: in the above statement I’m merely talking about large numbers of the world population being outside the borders of the US, nothing more.

In other words, the two most likely, hardest hit countries by Covid?
1. India, the numbers there are likely massively underreported.

2. China. Anyone who believes the numbers China is telling them? Don’t know what to tell you there if one believes that government. They lied during SARS, it’s highly probable they are lying now and have been since the beginning.

BTW I’m not leaving out the US, the numbers here? That’s largely a function of which political lens one views it through. I’ll leave it at that.

The answer he was looking for is unvaccinated, I believe.

 

[Lady Liberty]

Apparently keeping you out of the hospital and the morgue isn't enough.

It's enough for me just pointing out the fact that the CV19 is here to stay and to think otherwise is like wearing rose colored glasses.

All but the live attenuated vaccines are currently recommended for pregnant women if they haven't previously received them. There is no reason the mRNA vaccines should be any different, and given the current huge risk of COVID for pregnant women and the fetus, the recommendation should be a no-brainer.

Anecdotally, my wife is currently pregnant and received the Moderna vaccine. Mother and child are both doing fine.

I'm very glad for you, your wife and unborn child. I hope everything goes well for all of you.

 

[LaughingGravy]

The current vaccines are more of an injectable therapeutic that mitigate the effects of Covid.

They could be looked at that way, but only if applied before getting the variant. Unless I am mistaken, there are a lot of "too late" scenarios.

 

[Andrew C]

The current vaccines are more of an injectable therapeutic that mitigate the effects of Covid.

That isn't accurate as you are leaving out the part that they significantly reduces your chances of even getting COVID in the first place. In the 90s for previous variants. Probably in the 80s for delta. It is quite amazing the level of protection it offers for reducing your chances of getting it AND almost (but not quite) eliminating severe COVID if you do become a breakthrough case.

 

[Touchdown]

LOL. I wish it were the situation, but I think only in states where Covid infections are resulting in more hospitalizations and worse in 2-5 weeks will any mask mandates be lifted because that just makes sense.

There was talk and graphics above ( or just on the previous page) of a plateau. A tiny drop or leveling off in a generally increasing angle up does not constitute a plateau. It sounds nice, though. I'm sure Sturgis will make the situation even better in the next three weeks.

Let’s examine the pandemic again as a whole:

If you look, there were only 3 times that the slope of the line decreased, reversed course, and then returned to its previous slope. Once in November, once in December and once in March. The Nov and Dec aborations are most likely artificial as they correspond to Christmas and Thanksgiving. So that leaves the March bump, can we blame an artificial reason on why that happened? We can indeed, that’s when a lot of restrictions were lifted and people became more mobile.

What I’m trying to say is you’re wrong, unless caused by an external factor, every plateau has lead to a peak and decline in cases. Therefore, if numbers continue to trend the way they are going we can fairly assume that we are about to see a peak and decline in cases. Will that stall before getting to late June numbers? Who knows, but we can assume at least 4 weeks of decline after a peak.

 

[Willmark]

The answer he was looking for is unvaccinated, I believe.

I’m aware and by sheer numbers alone there are more unvaccinated elsewhere than in the US.



YMMV

 

[Andrew C]

Let’s examine the pandemic again as a whole:

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If you look, there were only 3 times that the slope of the line decreased, reversed course, and then returned to its previous slope. Once in November, once in December and once in March. The Nov and Dec aborations are most likely artificial as they correspond to Christmas and Thanksgiving. So that leaves the March bump, can we blame an artificial reason on why that happened? We can indeed, that’s when a lot of restrictions were lifted and people became more mobile.

What I’m trying to say is you’re wrong, unless caused by an external factor, every plateau has lead to a peak and decline in cases. Therefore, if numbers continue to trend the way they are going we can fairly assume that we are about to see a peak and decline in cases. Will that stall before getting to late June numbers? Who knows, but we can assume at least 4 weeks of decline after a peak.

Looks like the middle finger.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I’m aware and by sheer numbers alone there are more unvaccinated elsewhere than in the US.

And if the consideration is for mutation due to unvaccinated than focusing on the US unvaccinated is…. political, always was. And to add? It’s amusing that people THINK they know who isn’t getting vaccinated, usually correlates to who they dislike at the polls.

YMMV

I know who isn't getting vaccinated... the people who end up in the hospital, for one.

 

[Nubs70]

They could be looked at that way, but only if applied before getting the variant. Unless I am mistaken, there are a lot of "too late" scenarios.

A "pre infected" therapeutic?

 

[MisterPenguin]

The current vaccines are more of an injectable therapeutic that mitigate the effects of Covid.

No. That is wrong because it's only part of the story. The vaccines...

1. Mitigate the effects of COVID *if* COVID gets a foothold in your system. This, according to the CDC, happens rarely compared to those who are unvaccinated.
2. Can keep COVID from getting a foothold in your your body in the first place. This is why, tho breakthroughs happen and are contagious, they happen *rarely* compared to the unvaccinated.

So, you and others need to stop spinning the new lie that the vaccine cannot possibly eliminate COVID. If everyone was vaccinated, the *rare* breakthroughs would bring the R-naught of the virus below 1.0, and the virus could die out.

Measles is as contagious as the new COVID variant and it is contained by vaccinations... except it's kept 'alive' by the unvaccinated around the world, and now, among the anti-vaxxers in the U.S. If the world governments treated measles like they did with Small Pox, it could already have been eliminated, and we wouldn't have to keep vaccinating people for it.

It only seems like COVID is unbeatable because we're still ramping up vaccine production for 7 billion people... and fighting the obstinate anti-vaxxers.

 

[kong1802]

It's enough for me just pointing out the fact that the CV19 is here to stay and to think otherwise is like wearing rose colored glasses.



I'm very glad for you, your wife and unborn child. I hope everything goes well for all of you.

I mean if people keep refusing to get vaccinated because they saw something on youtube, then yes its here to stay.

But I have hope that eventually enough of those people will finally listen to the experts and help us all out by getting vaccinated.

But until then, I'll take the vastly reduced chances of getting Covid, the vastly reduced chances of being hospitalized, and the vastly reduced chances of dying with my shot.

 

[Figgy1]

I'm vaccinated. I get the whole "its my choice" thing. Not long ago we all saw mask requirements lessening and the idea of a return to a mask-less society once again. WRONG! So now masks are being suggested, recommended and required depending on the location, venue etc. The thing I don't like is that I have to wear a mask to protect those who aren't vaccinated. Why isn't it that only the unvaccinated are required? I feel like I'm going backwards and have to continue to wear it. I don't want to see anyone sick. I do believe its really and many people have been sick and have died as a result. Just not sure I get the mask rules right now. Maybe its just me.

They tried that with the honour system. It didn't work as the unvaccinated followed the rules for vaccinated people.

^^^^^^^ To large of a percentage are dishonorable and now hospitals are getting overrun in some places. Hospitals need to have room for emergencies other than covid patients

 

[Heppenheimer]

At the risk then of turning it political? Is it all who everyone assumes it is?

Of course are you talking about the South or do you have access to it nationally?

There seems to be only one poster here today who wants to make this political.

Hospitalizations are up everywhere, but the vast majority of these are unvaccinated, as I referenced. But the generally far lower rates of vaccination have left the south particularly vulnerable, and we are seeing the result in their hospitalization numbers currently.

The low population density in the Plains states is probably offering them a slight buffer, but with their low vaccination rates as well, delta will eventually rip through them too.