Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Looks like the public likes the new masking guidance:

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that a full 55 percent favor making it “mandatory to wear masks in public”; 45 percent are opposed. Just two and a half weeks ago, those numbers were nearly reversed. In late June, the public opposed mask mandates by a 60 to 40 percent margin.

Poll: Most Americans now favor mask mandates to slow Delta's rapid spread

As the Delta variant of the coronavirus fuels more cases across the U.S., and as scientists discover that vaccinated people can experience breakthrough infections more than expected, a majority of Americans once again favors mask mandates, according to a Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

www.yahoo.com

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Looks like the public likes the new masking guidance:

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that a full 55 percent favor making it “mandatory to wear masks in public”; 45 percent are opposed. Just two and a half weeks ago, those numbers were nearly reversed. In late June, the public opposed mask mandates by a 60 to 40 percent margin.

Poll: Most Americans now favor mask mandates to slow Delta's rapid spread

As the Delta variant of the coronavirus fuels more cases across the U.S., and as scientists discover that vaccinated people can experience breakthrough infections more than expected, a majority of Americans once again favors mask mandates, according to a Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

www.yahoo.com

Probably had something to do with the fact a ton of people (most people I know) who are vaccinated were still wearing masks indoors anyways.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I'm continually amazed by what people did not learn from high school biology.

college anatomy should be a GE.

 

[mmascari]

All kidding aside the FDA has nothing to gain by not giving full approval and a lot to lose. If they wait until January in an attempt to appear thorough or cautious people will continue to use the EUA as an excuse not to get it. If some incredibly unlikely event occurs that shows the vaccines are actually unsafe between now and January nobody will give the FDA credit for being extra cautious with their full approve. 192M of us will be furious they told us it was safe. So there is really no upside to waiting. The data is in, it has been analyzed so make the call.

It’s not safety data at this point. It’s things like longer term storage, manufacturing adjustments, process standards. Even with all the doses manufactured already, and the standard that is done to, there’s still more to validating the process is robust, repeatable, stable, and good enough for the long term many decades timeline. Once one is fully approved, the FDA loses all leverage to ask for adjustments. They can still ask, but companies can drag their feet and defer for years or decades. What’s the FDA going to do, revoke the approval? That’s even harder at that point, and a revocation bar would be so much higher.

None of this is feet dragging, efficacy, or safety related. It’s all the other stuff we mostly ignore, or assume. The FDA is good enough that we all just assume this stuff happens, or we just don’t know about it or understand the entire process. It’s like those manufacturing standards that make no sense to people not in manufacturing.

 

[draybook]

Looks like the public likes the new masking guidance:

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that a full 55 percent favor making it “mandatory to wear masks in public”; 45 percent are opposed. Just two and a half weeks ago, those numbers were nearly reversed. In late June, the public opposed mask mandates by a 60 to 40 percent margin.

Poll: Most Americans now favor mask mandates to slow Delta's rapid spread

As the Delta variant of the coronavirus fuels more cases across the U.S., and as scientists discover that vaccinated people can experience breakthrough infections more than expected, a majority of Americans once again favors mask mandates, according to a Yahoo News/YouGov poll.

www.yahoo.com

I'd rather get the vaccine than wear masks full time.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I'm continually amazed by what people did not learn from high school biology.

I did not learn how to dissect a frog, a pig, or a cat in high school biology, because instead of vomiting all over my classmates, I got a pass to go to the library and write essays instead.

 

[hopemax]

I'm continually amazed by what people did not learn from high school biology.

I was in the advanced science tract, which means I took biology as a freshman instead of a sophomore, and honestly other than simply knowing the words mitosis and miosis, I can't remember a thing. Oh, and fruit flies. There was a fruit fly project. I think we dissected a cow's eye, but the frogs were optional.

 

[mmascari]

I'd rather get the vaccine than wear masks full time.

Since you’re not vaccinated, you were never supposed to stop wearing a mask indoors. You should already be wearing one full time indoors.

Unless you mean outdoors too. But I doubt that comes back, or is needed, whenever distance is possible. In a big crowd, when outdoors acts more like indoors, you should probably already have one now.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I did not learn how to dissect a frog, a pig, or a cat in high school biology, because instead of vomiting all over my classmates, I got a pass to go to the library and write essays instead.

Same, I couldn't be around the chemicals with my asthma. I do remember some stuff though, like that colorblindness is caused by a recessive gene, plant cells have cell walls while animal cells do not, and that vaccines are safe and prevent diseases.

 

[draybook]

Since you’re not vaccinated, you were never supposed to stop wearing a mask indoors. You should already be wearing one full time indoors.

Unless you mean outdoors too. But I doubt that comes back, or is needed, whenever distance is possible. In a big crowd, when outdoors acts more like indoors, you should probably already have one now.

I wear them indoors where they are required.

 

[correcaminos]

Same, I couldn't be around the chemicals with my asthma. I do remember some stuff though, like that colorblindness is caused by a recessive gene, plant cells have cell walls while animal cells do not, and that vaccines are safe and prevent diseases.

Interestingly while I found out about color blindness, it was lost on me that because my dad was color blind that even though I am not, my son could be. Missed it somehow until I was an adult and my kid was 2 or 3. A friend informed me. Tested my kid that day lol

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Anyone not getting vaccinated is part of the problem, not the solution.

COVID could basically be in the rear view mirror in the USA by now.

 

[Bullseye1967]

I did not learn how to dissect a frog, a pig, or a cat in high school biology, because instead of vomiting all over my classmates, I got a pass to go to the library and write essays instead.

We did pigs and frogs but cat???? Do they really do that?

 

[Figgy1]

We did pigs and frogs but cat???? Do they really do that?

Depending on the program. We didn't have cats in my school but we did have several other critters

 

[DonniePeverley]

You still trying to take a victory lap over this? Very sad You said we would have 500,000+ cases a day in the US within 2-4 weeks in June. It hasn’t happened. You said the UK would have 100,000+ cases a day in a few weeks back in June. It never happened, the UK peaked at around 47,000 cases a day which is the US equivalent of 235,000 cases a day. The US is still averaging 40% of that total today. We have no idea when it will peak here, but there’s certainly no guarantee it reaches 235,000 cases a day let alone 500,000. I’m sure it was a great disappointment for you to see the UK cases peak and decline. I’m sure you were equally disappointed when they didn’t climb back up again due to reopening. I am hopeful you will also be greatly disappointed when we peak here in the US below the number you are hoping for. Really sad that people live this way.

Still in denial i see. I'm sorry but it's got nothing to do with 'i told you so', or you peddling your ultra 'Mickey Mouse positivity' this was simply looking at the data and trends. You were wrong and didn't want to believe the data coming.

The rate at which the USA is heading, you may well see it head towards that 500,000 cases a day mark.

The UK rates fell last week, but are now back on the rise. They certainly haven't peaked. (some small factors like school holidays, end of the Euro football event contributed to a massive rise in figures). Scientists still predict we will hit 100,000 cases soon. This equivelence to the USA per population would be 500,000 cases - and remember the US has less people vaccinated.

 

[BuddyThomas]

We did pigs and frogs but cat???? Do they really do that?

Yeah, but then again, I went to high school in Florida, so take that for what it's worth. I will never forget the moment my biology teacher dumped a giant bag of dead cats, petrified in gnarled crazy positions, onto a big table, and I was like, "I'm outa here".

 

[LittleBuford]

If my experience is anything to go by, animal dissection isn’t a thing in British schools. The first I knew of the practice was from that scene in E.T.

Before reading the thread tonight, I had no idea that cats are among the animals used. I Googled hoping to find that the cats in question had experienced natural or unavoidable deaths before ending up in the classroom, but it seems most are strays that are sourced from pounds and killed specifically for the purpose.

Really heartbreaking.

 

[LittleBuford]

Covid: Fifth of England hospital admissions aged 18-34

The new NHS chief executive urges unvaccinated young adults to get jabbed, saying it is "so important".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[James J]

Still in denial i see. I'm sorry but it's got nothing to do with 'i told you so', or you peddling your ultra 'Mickey Mouse positivity' this was simply looking at the data and trends. You were wrong and didn't want to believe the data coming.

The rate at which the USA is heading, you may well see it head towards that 500,000 cases a day mark.

The UK rates fell last week, but are now back on the rise. They certainly haven't peaked. (some small factors like school holidays, end of the Euro football event contributed to a massive rise in figures). Scientists still predict we will hit 100,000 cases soon. This equivelence to the USA per population would be 500,000 cases - and remember the US has less people vaccinated.

What's the source of this? I haven't seen anything where scientists are still predicting that 100,000 cases will be a thing soon. The only articles I can find are from the beginning of July, so are almost a month old.

If you want to be right about everything, you need to at least back it up with actual facts and proof.

 

[Willmark]

Should we not have speed limits then? If someone is worried about a speeding driver causing an accident they can just not drive right? Why should I have to follow a speed limit if I don’t want to if I’m willing to take the risk. While I’m at it why can’t I drive as fast as I want and do it while drunk. Same logic applies. Others can just avoid the highways I’m on or not drive. Should I go for smoking in public too? The point is there are many times we expect others to do something (or not do something) to protect the rest of us. This is one more example.

Funny you should mention driving because like a lot of things the government is attempting to mitigate the virus just the go every thing else. If the virus was drunk driving they are are attempting to solve it by pulling over the sober drivers.