Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

Probably because it doesn't agree with your opinion. I am inclined to accept it because I've been making the distinction between "masks" and "cloth face coverings" for a long time.

I thought you were calling into question the CDC's new mask guidance because it was based on flimsy science, but you are accepting the word of a person who was providing no science? Maybe you are blindly accepting what he says because it does agree with your opinion.

Now that someone has posted his science, it makes it quite clear that it is not black and white between masks and cloth face coverings, but that there is a range of protection between nothing and an N95.

 

[G00fyDad]

My kid and their distance poking stick will make you sorry if you’re not vaccinated or using mitigation while getting up in their airspace. They are done avoiding public spaces. It’s on you now or they’re going to stand their ground just fine. They’re still avoiding clearly crowded spaces.

I'm vaccinated. My family's vaccinated. Everyone I personally associate with has been vaccinated.

 

[SamusAranX]

You do realize that for the vast majority that get COVID, which is the unvaccinated BTW, death is not imminent. In fact the chances of dying are pretty low. Maybe if you actually looked at the stats and stopped following all the fear mongering on the media you'd understand that and in turn understand why one decides they don't need the vaccine to survive COVID.
As far as spreading it to others, if those others are so afraid then stay the hell out of the public. Protect yourself, stop expecting others to protect you.

Apparently you can’t separate hyperbole from a post.

I am not afraid of dying, but hey, if it reduces my already slim chance in exchange for such a simple act (not to mention reduce my chances of giving it to others) I am going to do it.

And some people can’t “stay the hell out of public”. Some have to go to work, some have to go to their doctors, some have to go to the store, and many of these have high risk complications. They can only rely on “protecting themselves” so much.

 

[draybook]

I was ready to show the folly of this when you compare the numbers, the reverse is not comparable at all. Then I read the rest of the messages.

I hate to tell you, but you’re totally anti-vaccine. You’re lying to yourself that you’re not. Nothing anyone posts will change that, you’re to far beyond hiding it from yourself already.


Ever the hopeful. But I don’t believe any of it for an instant. The reasons will just change. Might as well all just say they’re scared of needles. At least that will not change.



The numbers have changed. There are more vaccinated now than unvaccinated (not enough to beat the virus yet). If you’re so scared, lazy, or just inconsiderate to not get vaccinated, YOU stay home. Society no longer wants you sharing air you’ve made dirty.


That choice comes with consequences. Someone doesn’t want the vaccine and would prefer to spread disease, stay away from people. I don’t walk around with no pants leaving health hazards everywhere. Take the vaccine, or wear mitigations when in public, or don’t be in public. It’s that simple.


This. It’s not on the rest of us to avoid spreaders of disease, it’s on them to not spread it.


My kid and their distance poking stick will make you sorry if you’re not vaccinated or using mitigation while getting up in their airspace. They are done avoiding public spaces. It’s on you now or they’re going to stand their ground just fine. They’re still avoiding clearly crowded spaces.

On the school front, my older kid that is vaccinated, their friends are definitely ostracising unvaccinated kids. The vaccinated ones can do all the fun stuff together, they don’t want any unvaccinated kids with them. It only took a week for the few hold outs to change and get vaccinated. FOMO is a strong tool at all ages.

I'm just glad that you know me better than I do. Do you need my password so you can just post for me from now on?

 

[Malfie Cent]

Apparently you can’t separate hyperbole from a post.

I am not afraid of dying, but hey, if it reduces my already chance for such a simple act, I am going to do it.

And some people can’t “stay the hell out of public”. Some have to go to work, some have to go to their doctors, some have to go to the store, and many of these have high risk complications. They can only rely on “protecting themselves” so much.

Then those people should get the vaccine themselves, that will give them the most protection.
See how easy it is for them to protect themselves and not rely on anyone else to do it for them.
And for those who can't, well mask up, keep your 6 feet away and do what you did before there were vaccines. Remember they managed a few months ago, they can certainly figure things out now.

 

[SamusAranX]

I think there should be a distinction between “anti-vax” and maybe “anti-Covid vax”.

A family member of mine has every other vaccine known to man and recently got a tetanus booster. But her coworker and friend had a severe reaction to the covax. So she’s a bit hesitant and decided not get it for now. Wants “more time”. However unlike most others who won’t get it, she will continue to mask and what not like she should be. So I begrudgingly respect her stance. If others could do this I could maybe swallow their tantrums a bit more. But they refuse to do ANYTHING about it. And that’s a problem.

 

[SamusAranX]

Then those people should get the vaccine themselves, that will give them the most protection.
See how easy it is for them to protect themselves and not rely on anyone else to do it for them.
And for those who can't, well mask up, keep your 6 feet away and do what you did before there were vaccines. Remember they managed a few months ago, they can certainly figure things out now.

For the last. Freakin time. Not everyone can get the vaccine right now! So for those who are eligible and don’t have a medical reason. we need all hands on deck to vaccinate or continue practicing mitigation themselves, not expecting others to do it.
reminds me of the old work phrase

Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.


This is why I’m onboard with withholding coverage for those who won’t vaccinate who can. Since they’re so concerned about personal responsibility, give them what they asked for. Personal responsibility for all and any covid medical expenses. After all we shouldnt be helping others, they shouldn’t be relying on others, remember. It’s their job to be responsible for themselves

 

[correcaminos]

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This is an honest question - do you have any people in your life that are anti-vaxxers? I have many, and a good handful of them are not silent about their beliefs, actively trying to convince others not to do it or shame those who have. These are also some of the same people who continue to spread misinformation about other recent well-known conspiracies (I won't get into politics here). Listening to reason is not in their interest, in fact they tune out anyone who challenges their beliefs.

These people represent the biggest part of what's wrong with our society today. However unlike other conspiracies that are so rooted in fantasy they can't really be proven or disproven (like the existence of unicorns), we will all soon know for certain that there are no microchips in the vaccine, it isn't connected to infertility, it doesn't alter DNA, and it will not turn everyone into machines for the government. They will be proven wrong and I intend to make the ones I know admit it, or let it be known to others they cannot be trusted. In other words, I will "the site which cannot be named" them.

I have some in my life. Even my 1st cousin who would be in more than one high risk issue both physically and socioeconomic. It's been so hard for me. Especially since the hateful words that come out are hurtful as they insult me. I have a few distant cousins as well who will not.

To remark about catching covid not related to this. I am not afraid for myself for the most part. Really not. I'm not fooling myself with my health or the like either. I worry for others and I also don't like to gamble after having a pregnancy complication that happens to only .002% of all pregnancies. I don't like to gamble. That's it. I have an irrational fear of my kid losing a parent young thanks to it happening to me, but that's no more into play for this than anything. Nothing wrong with just not wanting to roll the dice and hope for the best. It's why I also vaccinated for chicken pox as an adult. Don't want to deal with it if I can avoid.

 

[Malfie Cent]

For the last. Freakin time. Not everyone can get the vaccine right now! So for those who are eligible and don’t have a medical reason. we need all hands on deck to vaccinate or continue practicing mitigation themselves, not expecting others to do it.
reminds me of the old work phrase

Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.


This is why I’m onboard with withholding coverage for those who won’t vaccinate who can. Since they’re so concerned about personal responsibility, give them what they asked for. Personal responsibility for all and any covid medical expenses. After all we shouldnt be helping others, they shouldn’t be relying on others, remember. It’s their job to be responsible for themselves

And for the last freaking time, practice some damn PERSONAL responsibility. That means protect yourself. It does not mean expecting others to do something to themselves for your protection.
Nobody owes you anything, especially if that anything is injecting their own bodies with something they are against putting into it.
As far as withholding coverage, as long as people are paying for their insurance I don't care what the company pays for.

 

[hopemax]

I think there should be a distinction between “anti-vax” and maybe “anti-Covid vax”.

A family member of mine has every other vaccine known to man and recently got a tetanus booster. But her coworker and friend had a severe reaction to the covax. So she’s a bit hesitant and decided not get it for now. Wants “more time”. However unlike most others who won’t get it, she will continue to mask and what not like she should be. So I begrudgingly respect her stance. If others could do this I could maybe swallow their tantrums a bit more. But they refuse to do ANYTHING about it. And that’s a problem.

Out of curiosity, how much time does your friend think she has to wait? You say she is taking precautions, but we know precautions aren’t shields, they just increase your odds over nothing. I just wonder how these people think the rest of the pandemic will play out, with more transmissible variants, winter coming, holidays coming, etc. that allows them to think they have the luxury of time.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well would you look at that…. Already starting it’s downward trend. And before you say “it’s because of the masks” let me remind you that any effect from mask wearing would take weeks before they start showing results. It’s almost as if the virus burned through the most vulnerable (non vaccinated) and now it’s beginning its retreat.

Yes, according to the numbers reported to the CDC it is possible the FL cases have plateaued a little. Except for the 21,683 reported from last Friday the last 7 days have been between 17,589 on 7/28 and 16,935 on 8/3 which is a pretty narrow range. We have to wait a little to see if that holds up and hopefully starts declining. I’m not sure if we should be happy to see the cases plateau around 17,000 a day but it’s better than seeing them go up.

I think it’s more likely that people curbed their behavior on their own and that’s a bigger impact on numbers than masks or any other rules imposed. At some point cases get high enough that a large number of people will naturally reduce exposure to others in public. Anyway, no way of knowing for sure. Let’s hope the numbers continue to not go up and hopefully soon take that turn downward.

 

[GoofGoof]

And for the last freaking time, practice some damn PERSONAL responsibility. That means protect yourself. It does not mean expecting others to do something to themselves for your protection.
Nobody owes you anything, especially if that anything is injecting their own bodies with something they are against putting into it.
As far as withholding coverage, as long as people are paying for their insurance I don't care what the company pays for.

Should we not have speed limits then? If someone is worried about a speeding driver causing an accident they can just not drive right? Why should I have to follow a speed limit if I don’t want to if I’m willing to take the risk. While I’m at it why can’t I drive as fast as I want and do it while drunk. Same logic applies. Others can just avoid the highways I’m on or not drive. Should I go for smoking in public too? The point is there are many times we expect others to do something (or not do something) to protect the rest of us. This is one more example.

 

[SamusAranX]

And for the last freaking time, practice some damn PERSONAL responsibility. That means protect yourself. It does not mean expecting others to do something to themselves for your protection.
Nobody owes you anything, especially if that anything is injecting their own bodies with something they are against putting into it.
As far as withholding coverage, as long as people are paying for their insurance I don't care what the company pays for.

And for the last damn time, there are others who legitimately have no choice but to go without the vaccine and they need our help. One person masking doesn’t do much, but the majority of us does . Grow up and learn to participate in a society that cares about each other.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Out of curiosity, how much time does your friend think she has to wait? You say she is taking precautions, but we know precautions aren’t shields, they just increase your odds over nothing. I just wonder how these people think the rest of the pandemic will play out, with more transmissible variants, winter coming, holidays coming, etc. that allows them to think they have the luxury of time.

I'm scared about this pandemic will may get worse by holidays coming as winter, more variants as ending of vaccines y'all know the drill folks, nightmare is about to become real now.

 

[SamusAranX]

Out of curiosity, how much time does your friend think she has to wait? You say she is taking precautions, but we know precautions aren’t shields, they just increase your odds over nothing. I just wonder how these people think the rest of the pandemic will play out, with more transmissible variants, winter coming, holidays coming, etc. that allows them to think they have the luxury of time.

She and her husband already were exposed to covid and he tested positive late last year. So her antibody resistance is waning if at all there. But she’s continuing to mask and what not. She’s mature enough that if she’s afraid enough to take it, she should do what she can to help. Gee, care for others even after a personal decision, what a concept

 

[SamusAranX]

There already is a distinction between being completely anti-vax and being only against the Covid-vax... it's called "politics"

Not necessarily. Yeah for many that’s a big thing but others have a myriad of reasons. Most not legitimate. Which is fine. You wanna reject the vax? Fine. But at least give a crap about others and mask up. There should be consequences for those who refuse to practice anything to help their neighbors.

 

[SamusAranX]

Ok I give in.

society doesn’t owe you a dang thing right? So when your house is on fire, don’t call 911. If your house is robbed, don’t call 911. When you want to send your child to school; you need to send them to private school. If you drown at the pool, don’t expect a lifeguard. If you need reimbursement for your covid care for testing and treatment, no dice. Going hiking and get lost? Well, better get used to it. After all. We don’t owe you a dang thing. Right?

 

[Chi84]

Should we not have speed limits then? If someone is worried about a speeding driver causing an accident they can just not drive right? Why should I have to follow a speed limit if I don’t want to if I’m willing to take the risk. While I’m at it why can’t I drive as fast as I want and do it while drunk. Same logic applies. Others can just avoid the highways I’m on or not drive. Should I go for smoking in public too? The point is there are many times we expect others to do something (or not do something) to protect the rest of us. This is one more example.

And sometimes we elect to act in ways that are neither required nor prohibited by law but which are nevertheless essential to serve the common good. That’s where the argument is centering here.

Sometimes it takes awhile for society to get on the same page as far as what should be done. Eventually, governments, employers, businesses, schools, etc. will end up taking actions to support the vaccines.

Just as not everyone agrees, not everyone argues in good faith. People who do tend to be the last ones to pick up on this.

 

[SamusAranX]

And sometimes we elect to act in ways that are neither required nor prohibited by law but which are nevertheless essential to serve the common good. That’s where the argument is centering here.

Sometimes it takes awhile for society to get on the same page as far as what should be done. Eventually, governments, employers, businesses, schools, etc. will end up taking actions to support the vaccines.

Just as not everyone agrees, not everyone argues in good faith. People who do tend to be the last ones to pick up on this.

We tried good faith. The results speak for themselves

 

[Chi84]

We tried good faith. The results speak for themselves

No I think you misunderstood me. I was implying that some people adopt outrageous or intransigent positions just to stir the pot instead of making an argument in good faith.