Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Willmark

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Should we not have speed limits then? If someone is worried about a speeding driver causing an accident they can just not drive right? Why should I have to follow a speed limit if I don’t want to if I’m willing to take the risk. While I’m at it why can’t I drive as fast as I want and do it while drunk. Same logic applies. Others can just avoid the highways I’m on or not drive. Should I go for smoking in public too? The point is there are many times we expect others to do something (or not do something) to protect the rest of us. This is one more example.
Funny you should mention driving because like a lot of things the government is attempting to mitigate the virus just the go every thing else. If the virus was drunk driving they are are attempting to solve it by pulling over the sober drivers.
 

Willmark

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Here's some logic:

Humankind eradicated smallpox through vaccines
Polio was effectively eradicated by vaccines.
They had effectively eradicated measles, and then it came back because a small group of people decided that they didn't like vaccines.

Vaccines only work when the vast majority of the population gets the vaccine.

We could end this pandemic if people would just get the vaccines, but somehow people have this idea that the vaccine is somehow more dangerous than the disease that has killed 4.25 million people globally. That's just baffling.
It’s not really as to the bold.

There are a lot of reasons as to why and not as binary as some make it out to be (not saying you).

I suspect some of it is political, some of it cultures and others might even be religious objections.
 

Lilofan

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Yes and no. It would be great to be further along, but I think it works better now that we have a smaller minority unvaccinated. It’s difficult for employers to enforce vaccine requirements on employees and businesses to enforce passports on customers when the majority of people were not vaccinated. I’m still not sure it will be easy to enforce passports on customers, but I’m encouraged to see employers start to require them. We see examples all the time of customers fighting flight attendants and cashiers and theme park workers when they don’t like policies but you rarely see someone throwing a tantrum like that at work over rules they don’t like.
Some Karens who tried arguing vehemently the policy of no mask no service cost some their job. A Florida real estate agent was fired when he was acting like a Karen when he was videotaped by a fellow shopper when confronted by staff because he did not and refused to wear a mask. Throwing a tantrum at work can have security escort you out of the building in some workplaces.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
Yes
Still in denial i see. I'm sorry but it's got nothing to do with 'i told you so', or you peddling your ultra 'Mickey Mouse positivity' this was simply looking at the data and trends. You were wrong and didn't want to believe the data coming.

The rate at which the USA is heading, you may well see it head towards that 500,000 cases a day mark.

The UK rates fell last week, but are now back on the rise. They certainly haven't peaked. (some small factors like school holidays, end of the Euro football event contributed to a massive rise in figures). Scientists still predict we will hit 100,000 cases soon. This equivelence to the USA per population would be 500,000 cases - and remember the US has less people vaccinated.
Hopefully by next month or October things will be much better as improve as the cases will reach low.
 

LaughingGravy

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That is true, but until there is 100% of employers, schools and government on board with mandates, people still have their freedom of choice.

Looks like the public likes the new masking guidance:

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that a full 55 percent favor making it “mandatory to wear masks in public”; 45 percent are opposed. Just two and a half weeks ago, those numbers were nearly reversed. In late June, the public opposed mask mandates by a 60 to 40 percent margin.


As large as our population is in the US, I'm consistently surprised at how many polls and surveys promoted for all sorts of things are done based on a number of 1000- 2000 people, also without a breakdown of where those people are from for context.
I get the idea of sampling, but out of a bit under 1600 people, it's more than a stretch to say Most Americans about anything. It would be good if people kept that in mind.
 

ABQ

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As large as our population is in the US, I'm consistently surprised at how many polls and surveys promoted for all sorts of things are done based on a number of 1000- 2000 people, also without a breakdown of where those people are from for context.
I get the idea of sampling, but out of a bit under 1600 people, it's more than a stretch to say Most Americans about anything. It would be good if people kept that in mind.
I agree, looking at the info at the end of the article, the polling details are this:
The Yahoo News survey was conducted by YouGov using a nationally representative sample of 1,552 U.S. adults interviewed online from July 30 to Aug. 2, 2021. This sample was weighted according to gender, age, race and education based on the American Community Survey, conducted by the U.S. Bureau of the Census, as well as 2020 presidential vote (or non-vote) and voter registration status. Respondents were selected from YouGov’s opt-in panel to be representative of all U.S. adults. The margin of error is approximately 2.7 percent.

I'm just an average person, but have never heard of YouGov, it may be a massive polling system, but you'd think if it were just an online survey, that they could have grabbed 50k or even 100k people for their sample.
 

DisneyCane

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Yes, according to the numbers reported to the CDC it is possible the FL cases have plateaued a little. Except for the 21,683 reported from last Friday the last 7 days have been between 17,589 on 7/28 and 16,935 on 8/3 which is a pretty narrow range. We have to wait a little to see if that holds up and hopefully starts declining. I’m not sure if we should be happy to see the cases plateau around 17,000 a day but it’s better than seeing them go up.

I think it’s more likely that people curbed their behavior on their own and that’s a bigger impact on numbers than masks or any other rules imposed. At some point cases get high enough that a large number of people will naturally reduce exposure to others in public. Anyway, no way of knowing for sure. Let’s hope the numbers continue to not go up and hopefully soon take that turn downward.

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If this is a real plateau and not the result of data reporting anomalies or severe lack of testing, it would indicate that there are a lot more naturally infected/protected people in Florida than thought. It would indicate the spike peaking much more quickly relative to India and the UK.
 

DisneyCane

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Looks like the public likes the new masking guidance:

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that a full 55 percent favor making it “mandatory to wear masks in public”; 45 percent are opposed. Just two and a half weeks ago, those numbers were nearly reversed. In late June, the public opposed mask mandates by a 60 to 40 percent margin.


Looking at the Los Angeles County data, it doesn't seem that indoor mask mandates "crush" the spread like many believe they do. Their mask mandate was reinstated late on July 17th. I highlighted the 18th on the chart. Spread doesn't exactly seem to be decreasing there as a result.

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DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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Looking at the Los Angeles County data, it doesn't seem that indoor mask mandates "crush" the spread like many believe they do. Their mask mandate was reinstated late on July 17th. I highlighted the 18th on the chart. Spread doesn't exactly seem to be decreasing there as a result.

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Noo! I hope this is not going to very bad one next couple months aka fall/winter. Even the mask mandate is not gonna work to end the pandemic soon. Whatever it takes, this wave will get even BIGGER than my thought. No one can stop this one. NO ONE!
 

DisneyCane

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Some Karens who tried arguing vehemently the policy of no mask no service cost some their job. A Florida real estate agent was fired when he was acting like a Karen when he was videotaped by a fellow shopper when confronted by staff because he did not and refused to wear a mask. Throwing a tantrum at work can have security escort you out of the building in some workplaces.
Where was he shopping?

Are you sure you aren't confusing this story with the agent in Brooklyn who was fired. In the Brooklyn incident in probably had more to do with him telling the Asian manager to "go back to China" vs. the refusal to wear a mask.
 

lisa12000

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What's the source of this? I haven't seen anything where scientists are still predicting that 100,000 cases will be a thing soon. The only articles I can find are from the beginning of July, so are almost a month old.

If you want to be right about everything, you need to at least back it up with actual facts and proof.
That’s because there is no source on it. We had one slightl rise in reported figs yesterday (always going to happen) and even then if you look at specimen date they are basically flat - even if as I suspect they’ll gently rise again they’re not going to get to 100,000 any time soon
 

correcaminos

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I think there could be some who change their mind based on full approval. We are also approaching 1 year from the initial trial so how much longer do people need to see the vaccines are safe? People are still saying “wait and see” but we are quickly approaching a time when that’s not a valid answer anymore. On the bright side even if nobody extra gets the vaccine at least we won‘t have to hear the anti-vaxx crowd call it an experimental vaccine anymore :)

All kidding aside the FDA has nothing to gain by not giving full approval and a lot to lose. If they wait until January in an attempt to appear thorough or cautious people will continue to use the EUA as an excuse not to get it. If some incredibly unlikely event occurs that shows the vaccines are actually unsafe between now and January nobody will give the FDA credit for being extra cautious with their full approve. 192M of us will be furious they told us it was safe. So there is really no upside to waiting. The data is in, it has been analyzed so make the call.

The insurance thing is possible. It would take a little time to setup. A lot of corporate plans have their open enrollment period in the fourth quarter so that’s fast approaching.
The initial Pfizer-BioNTech trials are past one year. If I hadn't had that weird power outage that pulled systems offline making me return 3 weeks later, I'd already be at 1 year post 1st shot in the Phase 2/3 portion. My call to do the booster portion was near a year after signing up. So we're well past 1 year with this.
 

DisneyDebRob

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It’s not really as to the bold.

There are a lot of reasons as to why and not as binary as some make it out to be (not saying you).

I suspect some of it is political, some of it cultures and others might even be religious objections.
The real reason, and I think we all know it but will fight tooth and nail saying it’s other things.
When we eradicated things in the past there was no social media.. no talking heads on tv promoting whatever gets them likes or sponsors… no one to guide people in one direction or the other. It was people doing what everyone thought was for the good of people. That’s why you had almost everyone taking vaccines.. to help the common goal. We know nowadays that won’t work. To divided even over what’s good for your neighbor. You hear it in these boards..” protect yourself”..” why should I have to worry about people around me” etc. Thats the hurdles we must overcome now.
 

Nubs70

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Noo! I hope this is not going to very bad one next couple months aka fall/winter. Even the mask mandate is not gonna work to end the pandemic soon. Whatever it takes, this wave will get even BIGGER than my thought. No one can stop this one. NO ONE!
Seeing that the vaccine outcome has devolved from preventing infection to mitigating fatal outcome. Covid is here forever.
 

Disney Experience

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Moderna’s Q2 presentation
Looks like Moderna covid vaccine effectiveness is only dropping 1% per month vs Pfizer 3% per month.( Slide 25 ) from Phase 3 trial 6 month results ( note predelta data)


But they do expect the need fir a booster before winter:
Our emerging perspective
▪ We believe that increased force of infection resulting from Delta, non-pharmaceutical intervention (NPI) fatigue, and seasonal effects (moving indoors) will lead to an increase of breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals
▪ While we see durable Phase 3 efficacy through 6 months, we expect neutralizing titers will continue to wane and eventually impact vaccine efficacy
▪ Given this intersection, we believe dose 3 booster will likely be necessary prior to the winter season

Oh, in a related matter concerning boosters, the WHO wants the first world countries to forgo boosters until the rest of the world gets vaccinated.

 
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