News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[ToTBellHop]

Cash flow yes, P&L no. Does Disney have cash crunch where they need to worry about a particular quarter for a few hundred million? Absolutely not. Pandemic stall, so you can open with full capcaity is one thing, but the constant argument that Disney is a slow builder because they spread out their costs (which is an argument that far predates any pandemic) - bogus.

TWDC has plenty of cash. I’m not sure what method they use to depreciate their theme park CAPEX, but if it’s straight line depreciation, 1 year of depreciation is a drop in the bucket for Disney. If they somehow managed to spend 400 mil, assuming a 20 year life span, at 20 mil a year, it is only a 5 mil/quarter hit. Anytime a project that should have taken about 2 years drags on, it’s incompetence. This is the same company that built Splash Mountain in < 2 years. Look at the increase in latency between ground breaking (forget announcement, then it looks even worse) and opening. It’s ridiculous and as a shareholder it really irks me. Uni has brought 2 new coasters (the best coasters in Orlando by any objective metric) to fruition in the same 4 years Disney has dragged their posterior w Tron. Uni has built rides in a year (Transformers). They could theoretically announce something tomorrow and it could be done before Christmas next year. Disney can’t do that.

It’s extraordinarily smooth! Lots of negative G’s. It doesn’t bang your head around like Hulk.

It would make more sense to me if they finished these projects now and sat on them like Rat. I understand not opening Rat, TRON, and Guardians this year. That would be silly. Open the coasters next year to drive attendance. However, it is clear they are viewing FY21 as a write-off. Why not finish these rides now so those expenditures are swept out with the dirty COVID mop water on 9/30/21? No one expects huge profits this year, but finishing construction now and waiting 6 months to open would artificially raise FY22 profits as guest spending increases due to the previous year’s spending.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

It would make more sense to me if they finished these projects now and sat on them like Rat. I understand not opening Rat, TRON, and Guardians this year. That would be silly. Open the coasters next year to drive attendance. However, it is clear they are viewing FY21 as a write-off. Why not finish these rides now so those expenditures are swept out with the dirty COVID mop water on 9/30/21? No one expects huge profits this year, but finishing construction now and waiting 6 months to open would artificially raise FY22 profits as guest spending increases due to the previous year’s spending.

It wouldn’t make a huge difference for next year if it was the first or second year of depreciation. It’s better to carry the depreciation expense when you’re making a profit so as to pay less in taxes. That actually might be the reason they delayed it now that I think of it. For buildings, no depreciation is done until it’s actually working for the business. So, Disney wouldn’t start depreciating until the first guests ride.

 

[Goulle Fatouille]

That's not happening til Tron is done.

Might I ask where you got that information ? Because I do believe that track installation and tunnel prep are moving along (albeit at a slow rate). Thanks

 

[Rich Brownn]

Maybe but If something like RnRc is hard for me to handle, I doubt I could ever ride Velocicoaster

RnRc has a much more abrupt launch, and is a lot rougher. Plus RnRc focuses of positive G's while VC is mostly negative Gs

 

[Rich Brownn]

I'm 47. My trick is I always look for people older than me in line and say to myself, if they can do this, I can do this! And I always see quite few older ladies and gents ahead of me in line. And they always seem a lot more relaxed than I am!

Pffft. You're a kid. I'm 66 and love coasters

 

[Goofyque']

Somewhere in my old age I got terrified of roller coasters. It’s fine once I get off but I have really bad anxiety the entire time I’m in line. Hope I can work up the courage to ride this!

On the upside, while it is fast, it is also quite smooth!

 

[Bocabear]

and no loops... a series of dive maneuvers and lots of trim brakes... It is fairly tame after the initial launch and outdoor section.

 

[larryz]

and no loops... a series of dive maneuvers and lots of trim brakes... It is fairly tame after the initial launch and outdoor section.

Well, thank God it's only a minute long... I don't know how I could stand more "fairly tame" than that!

 

[Bocabear]

The launch is the thrill...and the travel across the canopy...indoor section is so short and then you are headed back to the station...kinda nuts. Glad there was no line at all in Shanghai...we rode it three times in a row.

 

[Jrb1979]

The launch is the thrill...and the travel across the canopy...indoor section is so short and then you are headed back to the station...kinda nuts. Glad there was no line at all in Shanghai...we rode it three times in a row.

From videos I have seen and what others have said, its on the same level as primeval whirl.

 

[Surferboy567]

From videos I have seen and what others have said, its on the same level as primeval whirl.

I can agree with it being not that much of a thrill (personally for me it probably is) but calling it even close to on the same level of primeval whirl is ridiculous. TRON definitely is far superior in many ways including thrill.

 

[Bocabear]

Yeah it is way better than Primeval Whirl...lol
It is a nicely themed, beautiful coaster... It's biggest problem is the length of ride is just WAAAAY too short. It is also over braked throughout the show building which kind of ruins the experience....It is a nice ride, but a poor fit for it's location for so many reasons...and with available space to fill in Tomorrowland and several attractions that need replacing it was an odd choice from the getgo.

 

[Surferboy567]

Yeah it is way better than Primeval Whirl...lol
It is a nicely themed, beautiful coaster... It's biggest problem is the length of ride is just WAAAAY too short. It is also over braked throughout the show building which kind of ruins the experience....It is a nice ride, but a poor fit for it's location for so many reasons...and with available space to fill in Tomorrowland and several attractions that need replacing it was an odd choice from the getgo.

I can agree with it being very short, the thing about me is that TRON and TRON Legacy for me is one of the most underrated movies. So seeing any kind of representation makes me happy. Also, I just really want to ride a Lightcycle. So, maybe I am a little biased toward TRON. Very excited to try it for myself.

I can also agree Tommorowland definitely needs attention. Hopefully TRON is a harbringer of things to come.

 

[Bocabear]

I can agree with it being very short, the thing about me is that TRON and TRON Legacy for me is one of the most underrated movies. So seeing any kind of representation makes me happy. Also, I just really want to ride a Lightcycle.

I can also agree Tommorowland definitely needs attention. Hopefully TRON is a harbringer of things to come.

Unfortunately it is so expensive I don't think we will see anything else in Tomorrowland until 2030...they are already saying TRON won't open until 2022... It was a crazy expensive mistake...the money would have been better spent putting new relevant to the area attractions in the Stitch building and MILF. doing a complete re-dressing of The Peoplemover show sets, and then turning the Circus Fantasyland area into a complete Neverland section with a new Peter Pan ride (or double ride)...
TRON would have worked better at DHS or EPCOT...

 

[ToTBellHop]

I’m not sure I could handle more than a minute on a bike coaster.

 

[Bocabear]

I’m not sure I could handle more than a minute on a bike coaster.

it is smooth...and surprisingly not that scary after the first launch... It's a new seating system so feels different at first...
It is cool and will be horrifically popular...expect boarding groups or worse.

 

[Surferboy567]

they are already saying TRON won't open until 2025...

Their is no way this is possible. The ride is basically done. Besides set props, queue, and canopy (which is coming along). The actual track, and building is done.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Unfortunately it is so expensive I don't think we will see anything else in Tomorrowland until 2030...they are already saying TRON won't open until 2025... It was a crazy expensive mistake...the money would have been better spent putting new relevant to the area attractions in the Stitch building and MILF. doing a complete re-dressing of The Peoplemover show sets, and then turning the Circus Fantasyland area into a complete Neverland section with a new Peter Pan ride (or double ride)...
TRON would have worked better at DHS or EPCOT...

Who is saying 2025?

 

[MisterPenguin]

"Thrill" is a relative term.

For some who don't like heights, being outside and elevated will be thrilling.

Remember, we're in a Disney-park culture in which riding in a convertible at 60 mph is a 'thrill ride.'

 

[jt04]

Unfortunately it is so expensive I don't think we will see anything else in Tomorrowland until 2030...they are already saying TRON won't open until 2025... It was a crazy expensive mistake...the money would have been better spent putting new relevant to the area attractions in the Stitch building and MILF. doing a complete re-dressing of The Peoplemover show sets, and then turning the Circus Fantasyland area into a complete Neverland section with a new Peter Pan ride (or double ride)...
TRON would have worked better at DHS or EPCOT...

Who is "they" that are saying it won't open until 2025? Doesn't seem credible.