91JLovesDisney
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MMRR didn’t even try - they could have projected onto the ceiling, or darkened the projections towards the top so there’s not a blaring line.
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DHS Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed
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CastAStone
5th gate? Just build a new resort Bob.
I guess my point is, what are you doing looking up? There’s so much to see! Pirates is a small scene and then a bunch of dark followed by a medium scene and a bunch of dark, MMRR is an all-encompassing scene with vibrant color and frenetic energy followed immediately by another all-encompassing scene with vibrant colors and frenetic energy - why are you staring at the ceiling? (The ceiling works wonderfully when they do incorporate it into the waterfall scene)
lazyboy97o
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You get to the ceiling (and floor) if you look at the entire projected scene.
yensidtlaw1969
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Several of the scenes in Runaway Railway actively draw your eye upward towards the top of the space, naturally putting the big, black ceiling right in your view. And as you say, it's in high contrast with everything vibrant around it, so the big gap of negative space is highly noticeable. Especially since in many cases this could have been solved by simply mapping the ceiling, bringing the room to a full 360 experience.
Pirates is different - it's nighttime. That's understood implicitly. Your brain isn't seeking action up in the sky, and most of the action is staged down at the level of the city, keeping sightlines relatively low. But the sets continue up higher in case you do take a look at them, and they resolve as complete buildings rather than cutting off awkwardly. And on the odd chance you do look up, the ceiling IS actually painted the same color as the walls, and there are some old, low-tech cloud projectors that make clear that you're of course meant to feel like you're looking at the sky. While it's not especially convincing, it's a surprising detail given, as you say, how much there is to see all around you. Pirates has almost 100 animatronics for you to look at and still projected on the ceilings just in case.
Even in the late 60's/Easly 70's they knew that, even though the ride mostly keeps your attention elsewhere, folding the ceiling into the show is part of creating a complete, immersive experience. You'd think that nearly 50 years on we could expect a brand new, fully-projection-mapped attraction to follow that lead instead of reject it.
brb1006
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The Heffalump and Wozzles section can get away with it since it's in Pooh's Dream sequence. And it's suppose to have a chaotic party atmosphere with disco balls and a ceiling.
That is not good at all.
yensidtlaw1969
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Right? It's a total cop-out.
The UoE figured it out. In 1982.
yensidtlaw1969
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And they had a MUCH bigger ceiling to disguise!
Even if they'd just painted the ceiling the dominant color of the sky in the scene it'd be much less of a problem. Instead . . . straight-up black?
The Aracuan Bird
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I don’t think it’s impossible to do it today. Rather, it’s the lack of interest. Which is a shame because it can have a large impact on the scenes that have bright blue skies, but a black ceiling? The ride is advertised as being inside a cartoon. Not watching one on either side.
yensidtlaw1969
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Imagine, if instead of this:
It looked like this:
Not even a huge structural difference - literally all I did was adjust the paint color of the ceiling that exists. That's why you can still see the vents and things. But isn't it still several times better than before??
Disney Analyst
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Isn’t the ceiling mostly fully open and soundstage like to enable all the projection mapping?
This is sort of a symptom of a 360 degree projection based attraction…
This is sort of a symptom of a 360 degree projection based attraction…
yensidtlaw1969
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Aww heck, let's REALLY dream for a second and imagine if they'd rounded the ceilings and mapped the whole thing:
Some of it is open, though several scenes are essentially flat ceilings. However, they have a projector peeking through a hole in the top of the Waterfall projection dome to map the floor in that scene, so there's really no reason they couldn't do something similar throughout the attraction.
Aside from $$$, of course.
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brb1006
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Now that is how you address the ceiling issue. Can we see similar edits for other sections of the attraction that have this issue?
For all the ingenuity and brilliance of WDI that would have been required to do something like that, I'd put the price tag at... $50 million.
(Sarcasm, obviously, but pointing out the ridiculous spending of WDI these days)
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lazyboy97o
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You jest but ceilings in dark rides are difficult and expensive. Ceilings are part of how a building and, more importantly, the people inside are protected from fires. Dark rides need a ceiling with a lot of holes in it for things like show lighting or, in the case of Mickey and Minnie’s Runaway Railway, projectors. The end result is that you would have to double up on things like smoke detectors and sprinklers, some up high above the ceiling and some right there on that ceiling you’re trying to make part of the show. It’s more expensive stuff that you have to fit in an already crowded attic space. It’s a place that people aren’t supposed to look so it’s an easy thing to cut and not deal with the headaches.For all the ingenuity and brilliance of WDI that would have been required to do something like that, I'd put the price tag at... $50 million.
TikibirdLand
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Along those lines, has anyone noticed how Goofy, looking out the back of the engine, doesn't fill the opening? The screen is square and the opening has an arch. Every time I see that, it's pretty glaring.For all the ingenuity and brilliance of WDI that would have been required to do something like that, I'd put the price tag at... $50 million.
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So something that could have been handled better with a new building instead of shoehorning MMRR into an existing building.
UNCgolf
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That was one of the very first things I noticed. I can't believe they thought that was acceptable.