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Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

91JLovesDisney

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I’m sure it could if you’re looking for it but Pirates feels much more like I’m in a warehouse to me.
Maybe warehouse was the wrong word.. just feels kinda temporary..? I get what you're saying with potc feeling likes its in a warehouse (because it is) but it also still feels complete - you can't look behind you and see a metal wall, it's much more immersive.

For that matter it doesn't real feel like there are walls, except perhaps in the Wicked Wench scene (battle scene).
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Pirates (at WDW) is indefensible and I genuinely don’t understand why people enjoy it. But that’s for another thread.

Because it's a quality ride?

Sure, it's not as good as the one at Disneyland, but most people haven't experienced both. It's still one of the 15 or so best rides currently existing at WDW. It was my favorite ride at MK as a kid (although I liked multiple EPCOT attractions more).
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member
Maybe warehouse was the wrong word.. just feels kinda temporary..? I get what you're saying with potc feeling likes its in a warehouse (because it is) but it also still feels complete - you can't look behind you and see a metal wall, it's much more immersive.

For that matter it doesn't real feel like there are walls, except perhaps in the Wicked Wench scene (battle scene).

I think warehouse is the right word, and it's a problem with all trackless rides. They all kind of feel like you're in a warehouse. Rise gets by with it better than others because gigantic rooms fit the aesthetic of the IP, so it's not incongruous.
 

The Aracuan Bird

Well-Known Member
I think warehouse is the right word, and it's a problem with all trackless rides. They all kind of feel like you're in a warehouse. Rise gets by with it better than others because gigantic rooms fit the aesthetic of the IP, so it's not incongruous.
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But it can be done.
 

UNCgolf

Well-Known Member

Yeah, that part of Pooh's Hunny Hunt is the best one I've seen (via video; haven't been there in person) in terms of not feeling like you're in a huge warehouse. Rise also doesn't really feel like that (as I said), but that's due to the nature of the IP itself.

Even Pooh, though, has some of that warehouse feel in the Heffalumps and Woozles room. I don't think I've seen one (outside of Rise, maybe) that doesn't have at least one area with a warehouse feel.
 

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I’m sure it could if you’re looking for it but Pirates feels much more like I’m in a warehouse to me.

Pirates Lite has its own problems, no doubt. But the skybox immersion isn’t one of them. Sure, if you stare at the ceiling and inspect it, you realize you’re in a building. But with Mickey, you can see the disconnect between the sky and ceiling just through your peripheral vision.
Indeed, The Aracuan Bird - Pirates at WDW has its problems for sure, and the Sky isn't as well-resolved as it is at Disneyland, but between Pirates and Runaway Railway one has a clearer issue with ceilings than the other:

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Pirates is like "There's not too much to see if you look up", where Railway is more like "Please don't look up".
 

The Aracuan Bird

Well-Known Member
Indeed, The Aracuan Bird - Pirates at WDW has its problems for sure, and the Sky isn't as well-resolved as it is at Disneyland, but between Pirates and Runaway Railway one has a clearer issue with ceilings than the other:

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Pirates is like "There's not too much to see if you look up", where Railway is more like "Please don't look up".
Exactly what I was trying to get it.
 

91JLovesDisney

Well-Known Member
Indeed, The Aracuan Bird - Pirates at WDW has its problems for sure, and the Sky isn't as well-resolved as it is at Disneyland, but between Pirates and Runaway Railway one has a clearer issue with ceilings than the other:

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Pirates is like "There's not too much to see if you look up", where Railway is more like "Please don't look up".
MMRR didn’t even try - they could have projected onto the ceiling, or darkened the projections towards the top so there’s not a blaring line.
 

CastAStone

Well-Known Mumbler
Premium Member
I guess my point is, what are you doing looking up? There’s so much to see! Pirates is a small scene and then a bunch of dark followed by a medium scene and a bunch of dark, MMRR is an all-encompassing scene with vibrant color and frenetic energy followed immediately by another all-encompassing scene with vibrant colors and frenetic energy - why are you staring at the ceiling? (The ceiling works wonderfully when they do incorporate it into the waterfall scene)
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
I guess my point is, what are you doing looking up? There’s so much to see! Pirates is a small scene and then a bunch of dark followed by a medium scene and a bunch of dark, MMRR is an all-encompassing scene with vibrant color and frenetic energy followed immediately by another all-encompassing scene with vibrant colors and frenetic energy - why are you staring at the ceiling? (The ceiling works wonderfully when they do incorporate it into the waterfall scene)
You get to the ceiling (and floor) if you look at the entire projected scene.
 

yensidtlaw1969

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I guess my point is, what are you doing looking up? There’s so much to see! Pirates is a small scene and then a bunch of dark followed by a medium scene and a bunch of dark, MMRR is an all-encompassing scene with vibrant color and frenetic energy followed immediately by another all-encompassing scene with vibrant colors and frenetic energy - why are you staring at the ceiling? (The ceiling works wonderfully when they do incorporate it into the waterfall scene)
Several of the scenes in Runaway Railway actively draw your eye upward towards the top of the space, naturally putting the big, black ceiling right in your view. And as you say, it's in high contrast with everything vibrant around it, so the big gap of negative space is highly noticeable. Especially since in many cases this could have been solved by simply mapping the ceiling, bringing the room to a full 360 experience.

Pirates is different - it's nighttime. That's understood implicitly. Your brain isn't seeking action up in the sky, and most of the action is staged down at the level of the city, keeping sightlines relatively low. But the sets continue up higher in case you do take a look at them, and they resolve as complete buildings rather than cutting off awkwardly. And on the odd chance you do look up, the ceiling IS actually painted the same color as the walls, and there are some old, low-tech cloud projectors that make clear that you're of course meant to feel like you're looking at the sky. While it's not especially convincing, it's a surprising detail given, as you say, how much there is to see all around you. Pirates has almost 100 animatronics for you to look at and still projected on the ceilings just in case.

Even in the late 60's/Easly 70's they knew that, even though the ride mostly keeps your attention elsewhere, folding the ceiling into the show is part of creating a complete, immersive experience. You'd think that nearly 50 years on we could expect a brand new, fully-projection-mapped attraction to follow that lead instead of reject it.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
Yeah, that part of Pooh's Hunny Hunt is the best one I've seen (via video; haven't been there in person) in terms of not feeling like you're in a huge warehouse. Rise also doesn't really feel like that (as I said), but that's due to the nature of the IP itself.

Even Pooh, though, has some of that warehouse feel in the Heffalumps and Woozles room. I don't think I've seen one (outside of Rise, maybe) that doesn't have at least one area with a warehouse feel.
The Heffalump and Wozzles section can get away with it since it's in Pooh's Dream sequence. And it's suppose to have a chaotic party atmosphere with disco balls and a ceiling.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member

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