Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

¡Mi culpa y lo sientio! Sorry for the call out, but I really am tired of people assuming things and felt this wasn't near as helpful as I think you meant it to be. It's like when white friends say Latinos and Blacks cannot afford to live in our city, and we're like what the what? Addressing the impact of systemic racism to me is far more important. It's the big key, but I've been working with groups to help address those issues for years. Simply stating a living condition often just gives a poor stereotype for some as it solidifies those minorities just aren't good enough to do better. But that's my view after dealing with Midwestern people. Sorry again to have jumped- It's been exhausting lately.

I am not a west coaster to be fair so I won't speak for a specific area, but I hope you can see why someone who is reading this took offense since you made it sound general. That said my comment about multigenerational families is true. It's not just Latinos (we are a very mixed family here so we see beyond just one group). It does have far more to do with jobs than what you said. Living in population dense areas does affect, but it's the jobs that are making it worse. Mix in distrust of doctors and outcomes suck.

I COMPLETELY understand your point. Its interesting that we both responded to different stereotypes, because my original post was in response to the stereotype that all of us Latinos here in CA/LA are fresh from hopping the border from Mexico. That stereotype really gets me going.
There are many cultures that live in multigenerational households, and again I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment, and what I meant, and probably should have worded differently, is that a big reason that latinos here do live like that is because they haven't been given the same opportunities to succeed in the community, workforce, or education. Rent in LA is for the rich man. Child care is for the rich man. There is nothing wrong with living in a multigenerational household, but in a pandemic, it is easy to see why spread is so prevalent.

I'm glad to see we are both working to address issues in our community. We gotta keep fighting the good fight.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The biggest issue is they need to set broad parameters so they say 75+ because it’s easy to quantify. The pre-existing condition thing is really hard. The CDC listed smoking as a high risk condition but left off asthma and high blood pressure. So a retired 64 year old with high blood pressure and asthma falls all the way out of the first phase into the general population group. That doesn’t seem right.

It's certainly a curious list they put together. If you choose to smoke, you're towards the front of the line. Born with asthma? Too bad! Wait with the rest of the commoners!

 

[correcaminos]

I COMPLETELY understand your point. Its interesting that we both responded to different stereotypes, because my original post was in response to the stereotype that all of us Latinos here in CA/LA are fresh from hopping the border from Mexico. That stereotype really gets me going.
There are many cultures that live in multigenerational households, and again I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment, and what I meant, and probably should have worded differently, is that a big reason that latinos here do live like that is because they haven't been given the same opportunities to succeed in the community, workforce, or education. Rent in LA is for the rich man. Child care is for the rich man. There is nothing wrong with living in a multigenerational household, but in a pandemic, it is easy to see why spread is so prevalent.

I'm glad to see we are both working to address issues in our community. We gotta keep fighting the good fight.

LA has a whole host of issues my area does not! Though we live in a more affluent city, it still pales in comparison to what I'm told by family friends who move out there. A few didn't last long and moved further north even.

It's great to see others fighting the good fight! I should say I'm really Hispanic vs latina but my husand of 20 years and son are latino. However I get lumped in many groups. My husband being PRan does too, because they are so diverse there. I do try to fight for all.

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The funny thing is you got me before I edited. My catholic upbringing had me say mea instead of me. I interchange so much I don't even notice. But this made me laugh.

 

[DisneyCane]

I saw that too. Elderly are far more likely to have negative outcomes. Of course essential workers are probably more likely to encounter individuals with the virus. That's a very difficult choice to make. I can see the rationale for both approachs.

I wonder if the population breakdown comes into play too. Florida has a large percentage of the population that is elderly. That's a lot of people at risk. Not sure about Texas.

Other than healthcare workers who they want to get vaccinated so they don't have to miss work and lead to healthcare shortages, I think the general philosophy is get the populations most likely to have serious illness or deaths vaccinated ASAP. As I've pointed out many times in Florida, with 83% of deaths in people 65+, vaccinating that population with a 95% effective vaccine will remove 79% of the deaths. Much better "bang for the buck" than vaccinating a 30 year old grocery store worker who is highly unlikely to have a serious outcome if they do get it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

So, I just received my first jab of the Pfizer vaccination. I have my next appointment for the second dose automatically scheduled for the 12th of January.

Other than the extra bureaucratic steps and needing to wait for 15 minutes under observation afterwards, I can't say that was any different of an experience from any other vaccine I've ever received. If I notice anything different tomorrow, I'll report back.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I can't say that was any different of an experience from any other vaccine I've ever received.

That's just what the microchip wants you to say!!

 

[Heppenheimer]

Here's the card they give you afterwards (with my personal information covered, of course). I guess this can function as an ersatz vaccine passporr until someone develops a more universal standard.

Not that I'm going anywhere or doing anything different now anyway, other than to a local ski resort.

 

[Disney Experience]

I should say I'm really Hispanic vs latina but my husand of 20 years and son are latino. However I get lumped in many groups. My husband being PRan does too, because they are so diverse there. I do try to fight for all.

My wife is a native New Yorker with Puerto Rican (Hispanic), Spanish, Jewish, and Italian Background. She gets lumped into a lot of groups.

 

[correcaminos]

My wife is a native New Yorker with Puerto Rican (Hispanic), Spanish, Jewish, and Italian Background.

She's got me! I'm a mesh of Mediterranean including Spain and n. African , Middle Eastern - with some Jewish sprinkled in along with some European thrown in. My husband is 100% Puerto Rican (both parents born there) and by nature is a mix of Spanish, African, and Taíno with some Greek tossed in for good measure. My kid is a total mutt.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 74 new reported deaths, along with 2 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I will say, I'm glad to see that this thread has evolved mostly into arguments about who should get the vaccine in what order, and not the usual on-line anti-vaxxer stuff that I feared. Although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't need to research too long to find one of those dark rabbit holes.

 

[DCBaker]

A look at the current vaccine distribution in FL -

 

[Miss Bella]

First: There are TONS of people in LA with Latin American roots.

Second: the reason latinos have a higher rate of transmission is because a lot of them have no choice but to live on top of each other, with multigenerational family members in lower SES communities while working minimum wage frontline jobs because they have been disproportionately affected by the system that doesn't allow them to succeed. But that's not a conversation for here, and frankly its one youre probably not ready to have....

I wouldn't necessarily say that living with or close to other family members isn't a choice. They have a very family oriented culture. I'm very familiar with the Hispanic culture living and working in their community. I do not enjoy conversations with you, I'm happy to leave that alone.

 

[Miss Bella]

Are the Latinos that make up 39% of the population in LA county coming over the border from Mexico and flooding the hospitals? Aren’t most of them US citizens and/or already living in the US? The original statement was that the problem in LA county was from Mexicans coming over the border flooding Us hospitals.

I didn't say in any post that they were Mexicans coming over the border. I think you may be confusing posters.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Right.

And if the premise is true for LA county, then what is the premise for North Dakota running out of hospital space?

I dunno. I heard that biker rally did a number on things up there. I imagine there are different factors that impact different places.

 

[Horizons '83]

A look at the current vaccine distribution in FL -

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I'd really love to see more in that +85 years column but I am guessing that is due to medical staff getting it first, that 25 to 65 demo.

 

[seabreezept813]

Here’s one thing I don’t understand, and maybe one of you health care types can fill me in......where I live, flu is basically nonexistent so far. Granted, it wouldn’t be Jan-Feb numbers yet, but there should still be a good bit. Local health officials are saying social distancing and mask wearing are keeping the numbers down. However, Covid is way up, and local health officials are saying it is due to not wearing masks and social distancing. How can we have both of those mutually exclusive results at the same time?

I’ll take a guess.. I teach in a school and we’re also seeing basically no flu and minimal colds. I think public places like schools, doctors offices, etc enforce rules so people just aren’t picking it up as easily to bring home. But covid seems to be very easy to pick up. So one teen in one family who smokes with his friends in the car at work goes home with covid and infects the household. I’m not sure the flu spreads quite as easily. And my other guess is a lot of people took the flu shot this year or even the pneumonia vaccine who normally wouldn’t. I know the flu shot is required for public school students in the state and is being tracked by individual schools.

 

[SamusAranX]

Just stop with this. Stereotypes do not help. I guarantee you we are not living on top of each other and we are not anymore likely to be multigenerational than other cultures that value family.

The only thing you sorta got right was about jobs. Systemic racism can keep many out of better jobs.

Latinos have worse outcomes due to distrust of white medicine.

You do realize that many Latinos (such as myself) are white, right?

 

[_caleb]

Of course. You've just shown how people do get free health care in this country. Contrary to what some people believe we don't turn anyone away.

Isn’t that only for emergency care?

 

[Chi84]

Isn’t that only for emergency care?

Yes. I believe emergency rooms can't turn anyone away. If you try to go to a regular doctor without health insurance or the ability to pay, you will get turned away. Quickly.