Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

First: There are TONS of people in LA with Latin American roots.

Second: the reason latinos have a higher rate of transmission is because a lot of them have no choice but to live on top of each other, with multigenerational family members in lower SES communities while working minimum wage frontline jobs because they have been disproportionately affected by the system that doesn't allow them to succeed. But that's not a conversation for here, and frankly its one youre probably not ready to have....

Bingo. Some I know not just in CA are creative in their living conditions. Sleeping in garages with portable heaters , multiple people using common areas as sleeping spaces etc. When a family member sold a car to a Latino, he went to their apt to collect the cash. He counted at least 4 mattresses in the living room alone not including how many else lived in the apt.

 

[sullyinMT]

Did you catch the head medicos let the politicians step up to the Pfizer vac while they will get Moderna today?
Hmmm, tin foil says they know something......

NIH officials demonstrating by doing with a company’s first successfully developed vaccine is probably better in some (many) fence-sitters’ eyes. Pfizer is a more known name, even if the vaccine approach is novel.

I saw that too. Elderly are far more likely to have negative outcomes. Of course essential workers are probably more likely to encounter individuals with the virus. That's a very difficult choice to make. I can see the rationale for both approachs.

I wonder if the population breakdown comes into play too. Florida has a large percentage of the population that is elderly. That's a lot of people at risk. Not sure about Texas.

While it ultimately comes into a matter of weeks and not months for the two groups, I wonder how much overlap there is with partially retired elderly living in FL and working in essential retail. Shoot, a lot of CM currently working after CP are gone are up there in age

Unfortunately, I see a lot of political motivations for this one. DeSantis’ strongest base is probably the elderly in the state, and prioritizing them keeps them from being adversely affected any further.

 

[danlb_2000]

This passed with the bill. Why the heck are they trying to put things like this in it when people are hurting. Wait, don’t answer that.. I know.

âItâs unconscionableâ: Outrage over the âthree-martini lunchâ tax deduction in the new coronavirus aid deal

The latest COVID-19 relief package reportedly includes a tax break on business-meal expenses that President Donald Trump has pushed for months.

www.google.com

The bill also contained changes to the penalties for illegally streaming copyrighted material. What that has to do with COVID relief is beyond me.

 

[Polkadotdress]

If the goal is to save lives and reduce hospital and ICU admission, it’s not a hard choice - vaccinate the elderly and people with significant preexisting conditions. Healthy 20-year-olds are not particularly at risk of adverse outcomes.

Yeah...no. He was asked about those in the high-risk medical category, and he also dismissed them as well, reminding everyone that we will only be vaccinating the elderly. The reason being, there’s no system in place to determine who is high-risk and who is not, even if they have medical documentation.

What he didn’t think about, because he hemmed and hawed when asked about it, was, “Would out-of-state elderly residents who temporarily live in FL (snowbirds) also be prioritized.?”

 

[Communicora]

If the goal is to save lives and reduce hospital and ICU admission, it’s not a hard choice - vaccinate the elderly and people with significant preexisting conditions. Healthy 20-year-olds are not particularly at risk of adverse outcomes.

Yes. This is how other countries are doing it. We were the outlier for moving some essential workers up.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Yes. This is how other countries are doing it. We were the outlier for moving some essential workers up.

But Florida is specifically excluding those in the high-risk population if they are not elderly.

 

[GoofGoof]

I saw that too. Elderly are far more likely to have negative outcomes. Of course essential workers are probably more likely to encounter individuals with the virus. That's a very difficult choice to make. I can see the rationale for both approachs.

I wonder if the population breakdown comes into play too. Florida has a large percentage of the population that is elderly. That's a lot of people at risk. Not sure about Texas.

Some of it may be politics too. Generally speaking lower income workers in the essential jobs they are talking about are disproportionately supportive of the opposite political party than the current governors.

If the goal is to save lives and reduce hospital and ICU admission, it’s not a hard choice - vaccinate the elderly and people with significant preexisting conditions. Healthy 20-year-olds are not particularly at risk of adverse outcomes.

I still think it’s a tough call. The goal is to reduce serious negative outcomes but also to contain the virus as soon as possible. My parents are in the 65-74 age range so not part of phase 1b as the CDC laid out. They are retired and don’t need to go out for non-essential things. A 30 year old working in the grocery store is much more likely to get Covid, while they are also more likely to have a positive outcome. We are still seeing people under 65 as a large percentage of total hospitalizations from Covid. While children are very unlikely to end up hospitalized adults under 65 it’s more common. I don‘t think it’s cut and dry to skip essential workers in favor of age alone.

 

[correcaminos]

First: There are TONS of people in LA with Latin American roots.

Second: the reason latinos have a higher rate of transmission is because a lot of them have no choice but to live on top of each other, with multigenerational family members in lower SES communities while working minimum wage frontline jobs because they have been disproportionately affected by the system that doesn't allow them to succeed. But that's not a conversation for here, and frankly its one youre probably not ready to have....

Just stop with this. Stereotypes do not help. I guarantee you we are not living on top of each other and we are not anymore likely to be multigenerational than other cultures that value family.

The only thing you sorta got right was about jobs. Systemic racism can keep many out of better jobs.

Latinos have worse outcomes due to distrust of white medicine.

 

[bryanfze55]

But Florida is specifically excluding those in the high-risk population if they are not elderly.

Maybe I missed that part. Who should go first? The 75-year-old without diabetes or the 35-year-old with diabetes? Tough call in that case. I think COVID-19 mortality rates indicate the former should go first, but ideally both would be in the first round of vaccines.

 

[bryanfze55]

Some of it may be politics too. Generally speaking lower income workers in the essential jobs they are talking about are disproportionately supportive of the opposite political party than the current governors.

I still think it’s a tough call. The goal is to reduce serious negative outcomes but also to contain the virus as soon as possible. My parents are in the 65-74 age range so not part of phase 1b as the CDC laid out. They are retired and don’t need to go out for non-essential things. A 30 year old working in the grocery store is much more likely to get Covid, while they are also more likely to have a positive outcome. We are still seeing people under 65 as a large percentage of total hospitalizations from Covid. While children are very unlikely to end up hospitalized adults under 65 it’s more common. I don‘t think it’s cut and dry to skip essential workers in favor of age alone.

Your parents may be retired and not need to go out. Many in the 65-74 age range do still work, either out of enjoyment or necessity. Some may still need to go places where the risk of transmission is low but not zero (pharmacy, grocery, doctors). Some have multigenerational living situations and take care of older children or grandchildren. In general, somehow... someway... a lot of them sure are dying.

Determining which elderly people fall into a low risk category (like your parents) and those who fall into a higher risk category could be done to facilitate vaccine prioritization... but it would probably be time-consuming.

 

[GoofGoof]

Maybe I missed that part. Who should go first? The 75-year-old without diabetes or the 35-year-old with diabetes? Tough call in that case. I think COVID-19 mortality rates indicate the former should go first, but ideally both would be in the first round of vaccines.

The biggest issue is they need to set broad parameters so they say 75+ because it’s easy to quantify. The pre-existing condition thing is really hard. The CDC listed smoking as a high risk condition but left off asthma and high blood pressure. So a retired 64 year old with high blood pressure and asthma falls all the way out of the first phase into the general population group. That doesn’t seem right.

 

[bryanfze55]

The biggest issue is they need to set broad parameters so they say 75+ because it’s easy to quantify. The pre-existing condition thing is really hard. The CDC listed smoking as a high risk condition but left off asthma and high blood pressure. So a retired 64 year old with high blood pressure and asthma falls all the way out of the first phase into the general population group. That doesn’t seem right.

I’m sure everyone at the CDC was incredibly smart in their previous life but lost about 100 IQ points upon joining the bureaucratic bloat that is the federal government. They have no idea. Health authorities have more credibility than you or I, but that’s a low threshold.

 

[GoofGoof]

Your parents may be retired and not need to go out. Many in the 65-74 age range do still work, either out of enjoyment or necessity. Some may still need to go places where the risk of transmission is low but not zero (pharmacy, grocery, doctors). Some have multigenerational living situations and take care of older children or grandchildren. In general, somehow... someway... a lot of them sure are dying.

Determining which elderly people fall into a low risk category (like your parents) and those who fall into a higher risk category could be done to facilitate vaccine prioritization... but it would probably be time-consuming.

If people work outside the home then they would fall into the various worker categories vs age related. What about a 64 year old who works at the grocery store? They are higher risk overall than a 65 year old that’s retired.

 

[bryanfze55]

If people work outside the home then they would fall into the various worker categories vs age related. What about a 64 year old who works at the grocery store? They are higher risk overall than a 65 year old that’s retired.

Oh for sure. There’s no easy answers, I wasn’t implying that... just that not everyone 65+ can totally isolate themselves from society. Even if they don’t work, a lot of them are exposed to multigenerational living situations.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Just stop with this. Stereotypes do not help. I guarantee you we are not living on top of each other and we are not anymore likely to be multigenerational than other cultures that value family.

The only thing you sorta got right was about jobs. Systemic racism can keep many out of better jobs.

Latinos have worse outcomes due to distrust of white medicine.

I am not saying this out of stereotypes. I myself am an LA latina. It is this way for many latinos here. I have worked in schools in lower SES latino communities, I have interned/worked in various positions at organizations that work within the community. I'm sorry if you are offended, but here in LA this is the reality.

Of course its not the same for everyone. But the subject is why spread is most prevalent amongst latinos in LA.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This passed with the bill. Why the heck are they trying to put things like this in it when people are hurting. Wait, don’t answer that.. I know.

âItâs unconscionableâ: Outrage over the âthree-martini lunchâ tax deduction in the new coronavirus aid deal

The latest COVID-19 relief package reportedly includes a tax break on business-meal expenses that President Donald Trump has pushed for months.

www.google.com

The bill also contained changes to the penalties for illegally streaming copyrighted material. What that has to do with COVID relief is beyond me.

What passed was a package of bills that dealt with more than COVID relief. They passed two stopgap bills this past week just to keep things running for a few more days while they hammered everything out.

While the martini lunch tax break is odious, I grudgingly acknowledge it will help the restaurant industry in giving businesses incentives to utilize restaurants. It can always be removed when the pandemic is over. There are better ways to support restaurants through public policy, though.

 

[correcaminos]

I am not saying this out of stereotypes. I myself am an LA latina. It is this way for many latinos here. I have worked in schools in lower SES latino communities, I have interned/worked in various positions at organizations that work within the community. I'm sorry if you are offended, but here in LA this is the reality.

¡Mi culpa y lo sientio! Sorry for the call out, but I really am tired of people assuming things and felt this wasn't near as helpful as I think you meant it to be. It's like when white friends say Latinos and Blacks cannot afford to live in our city, and we're like what the what? Addressing the impact of systemic racism to me is far more important. It's the big key, but I've been working with groups to help address those issues for years. Simply stating a living condition often just gives a poor stereotype for some as it solidifies those minorities just aren't good enough to do better. But that's my view after dealing with Midwestern people. Sorry again to have jumped- It's been exhausting lately.

I am not a west coaster to be fair so I won't speak for a specific area, but I hope you can see why someone who is reading this took offense since you made it sound general. That said my comment about multigenerational families is true. It's not just Latinos (we are a very mixed family here so we see beyond just one group). It does have far more to do with jobs than what you said. Living in population dense areas does affect, but it's the jobs that are making it worse. Mix in distrust of doctors and outcomes suck.

 

[Communicora]

But Florida is specifically excluding those in the high-risk population if they are not elderly.

Sorry, to be clear I was focusing on age. Other countries are using age for most of their prioritization.

 

[Touchdown]

There was a single-day record number of deaths reported today in Wisconsin.

Death is unfortunately a lagging statistic, and with most coroners not working over the weekend Monday usually sees a backlog of deaths. Just because that number is still high does not mean that cases are going up.

 

[MisterPenguin]

¡Mea culpa y lo sientio!

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